Anyone else running out of patience with Fry ?

[Red and White Army]

I know I am going to get slagged off for this, since I stated a while back that his legacy to SFC could be as big as MLTs in terms of saving the club (I stand by this comment, btw..), but has anyone started wondering if Fry is the cause of the ball-achingly slow allienation of anyone interested in buying us ?

 

I am sick-to-death of the daily banal plattitudes about progress being made, I want to see him get someone to put the money down and sign on the dotted line.

 

Then he can p*ss off back to his office in Southend or wherever it is, for all I care.

 

I'm sick of you and your stupidity.

I'm sick of your sad little snarks from Austria.

I'm sick of you posting thousands of posts of drivel.

I'm sick of your remorseless negativity.

I'm sick of your opinions on a team you never watch.

I'm sick of your prejudices and petty mind

I'm "sick-to-death" (sic) of you.

 

You called for Fry to be made chairman, now you're slagging him off 3 weeks later. I think it is pretty clear your intelligence is subpar.

[benjii]

I'm sick of you and your stupidity.

I'm sick of your sad little snarks from Austria.

I'm sick of you posting thousands of posts of drivel.

I'm sick of your remorseless negativity.

I'm sick of your opinions on a team you never watch.

I'm sick of your prejudices and petty mind

I'm "sick-to-death" (sic) of you.

 

You called for Fry to be made chairman, now you're slagging him off 3 weeks later. I think it is pretty clear your intelligence is subpar.

 

[saintwarwick]

True, but they tend to go a little quicker if your standard negotiating technique is to hang up on a caller and then not answer your phone for 2 days or more

 

Allegedly

 

I guess Notts County had it wrong then in 2003 after 18 months in administration!!

[Professor]

Maybe Alpine Saint started this thread because he didn't understand that Administrators handling a football club, do not work in the interests of the fans, or the club, but for themselves (the fees) and the creditors. Thats why Administration is not something that anyone should see as an easy option, not least because of the risk that the club could cease to exist entirely. If Fry does complete the sale he will have done a good job as far as most fans are concerned.

[Hopkins]

I know I am going to get slagged off for this, since I stated a while back that his legacy to SFC could be as big as MLTs in terms of saving the club (I stand by this comment, btw..), but has anyone started wondering if Fry is the cause of the ball-achingly slow allienation of anyone interested in buying us ?

 

I am sick-to-death of the daily banal plattitudes about progress being made, I want to see him get someone to put the money down and sign on the dotted line.

 

Then he can p*ss off back to his office in Southend or wherever it is, for all I care.

 

I think it is fair to say that you are quite honestly the biggest retard on this forum. Time after time you post something which is either ridiculed or proven to be wrong.

 

You are an idiot. Think before you post next time you daft ****.

[buctootim]

Anyone else running out of patience with Fry? The Daily Mail are apparently

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1197918/Charles-Sale-Whats-Fry-cooking-Saints-now.html

[greg_hill]

Steady on Mower, what you say is correct of course but this whole saga is incredibly agonising and painful for any fan. It's natural that some of us will look for a target for our frustrations. Though of course to use Mr Fry is to completely misunderstand his job, and what is going on.

[dubai_phil]

Anyone else running out of patience with Fry? The Daily Mail are apparently

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1197918/Charles-Sale-Whats-Fry-cooking-Saints-now.html

 

Woo hoo - DP gets a scoop for the Daily Snail!

 

Oh and NickG - you're getting more obsessive about MJ than Up is about 19C. In answer to your question, no, allegedly not ONLY him.

 

Read my posts about my sources since before ANY bids were received, my worries existed long before MJ's self publicity stunts - this is his standard operating procedure - anyone trained professionally in Negotiation Skills understands that such an action is on page one of the manual, obviously the man is so clever and all knowing that he didn't need to get to page two.

[alpine_saint]

For somebody who has so much to say, you are remarkably ill informed. Fry isn't here to please you or I, he's here to realise the best capitol return for the creditors of SLH.

 

Fry updates the fans or "customers" with snippets of information in the interests of the creditors. The rational being, that he is trying to maintain as many customers as possible as this adds to the value of the brand. As such, this should increase the sale value for the creditors.

 

Therefore, all your pointless ****ing and whining is pointless and your personal opinion of him is pretty irrelevant.

 

You forget the longer he f**ks about, the less value the club has, especially when the players run out patience too and find other clubs.

 

So my "whinging" isnt pointless, its in his interest to get his thumb out of his arse too.

[alpine_saint]

Maybe Alpine Saint started this thread because he didn't understand that Administrators handling a football club, do not work in the interests of the fans, or the club, but for themselves (the fees) and the creditors. Thats why Administration is not something that anyone should see as an easy option, not least because of the risk that the club could cease to exist entirely. If Fry does complete the sale he will have done a good job as far as most fans are concerned.

 

 

You tell me how buggering about until assets the likes of McG, Surman and Davis have gone in a fire sale is getting the best deal for the creditors.

 

Sounds to me like he might be breaking the club up already.

[saintwarwick]

You tell me how buggering about until assets the likes of McG, Surman and Davis have gone in a fire sale is getting the best deal for the creditors.

 

Sounds to me like he might be breaking the club up already.

 

It's about finding money to pay the wages until an actual buy out.

[saintwarwick]

Anyone else running out of patience with Fry? The Daily Mail are apparently

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1197918/Charles-Sale-Whats-Fry-cooking-Saints-now.html

 

Daily Mail = Rupert Lowe's stomping ground.

[SFC Forever]

Pinnacle are the main reason we have not yet been bought. At the beginning of this fiasco I would imagine that they did have someone with serious money behind their bid. I believe that the FL blew that bid sky high as soon as they began putting obstacles such as no appeal on the table.

Fry would have done the check on the money and it would have been there. The Swiss(?) were simply too slow of the mark and got pipped.

We simply have to grow ever more frustrated as we wait for the day we are told we have been bought or god forbid not.

[John B]

I know I am going to get slagged off for this, since I stated a while back that his legacy to SFC could be as big as MLTs in terms of saving the club (I stand by this comment, btw..), but has anyone started wondering if Fry is the cause of the ball-achingly slow allienation of anyone interested in buying us ?

 

I am sick-to-death of the daily banal plattitudes about progress being made, I want to see him get someone to put the money down and sign on the dotted line.

 

Then he can p*ss off back to his office in Southend or wherever it is, for all I care.

 

Please relax things take time.

 

I thought in April you wanted Fry as Chairman

[dubai_phil]

Here's an interesting comment from a lawyer in London I know

 

On average ONLY ONE out of every EIGHT attempted purchases from an Administrator go through to completion

[NickG]

If he keeps us going, AND finds rich new owner he will have done his job very well and will be happy with him.

 

He has also made an effort to communicate with us.

[saintbletch]

I'm no expert - but in Fry's position if I had two bids, one of which could prove he had £15m sitting in a bank account and promised to buy Saints subject to DD and the other also promised to buy Saints and paid £500,000 into my account as a sign of serious intent - I know which I'd go for. Bird in the hand and all that.

 

As much as we might want to see a conspiracy where none exists, I think this is the most likely scenario.

[Frank's cousin]

Anyone else running out of patience with Fry? The Daily Mail are apparently

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1197918/Charles-Sale-Whats-Fry-cooking-Saints-now.html

 

I can see the conspiracy now... Lowe from his bunker in the Cotswolds has used Alien DNA (which he obtained from the blood of Chris Marsden) to take control of Bachelor is a strange sort of mind meld thought control thing... and is desperate to win the bidding war to gain his evil planned revenge on the Saints fans. As he sees the Swiss getting close he calls up his mates at the Mail to spread evil gossip of frustration and disillusionment - Undercover agent Alps who despite his protestations is in fact in league with this evil mastermind has been on to the boards to further disrupt the fans and spread bad vibes about Mr Fry - using the mind meld thought control thingy to cause further unrest so that we invade SMS take down the protective curtains in the boardroom so that Evil Lowe's mind waves can penetrate and exert their EVIL influence over My Fry so that he makes teh right EVIL choice... oh did I mention it was an EVIL scheme?

 

... well stranger things have happened at this club... Harry Rednapp leaving Portsmouth to take us down? Conspiracy theory? nah Consipracy FACT! I know its TRUE

[John B]

I can see the conspiracy now... Lowe from his bunker in the Cotswolds has used Alien DNA (which he obtained from the blood of Chris Marsden) to take control of Bachelor is a strange sort of mind meld thought control thing... and is desperate to win the bidding war to gain his evil planned revenge on the Saints fans. As he sees the Swiss getting close he calls up his mates at the Mail to spread evil gossip of frustration and disillusionment - Undercover agent Alps who despite his protestations is in fact in league with this evil mastermind has been on to the boards to further disrupt the fans and spread bad vibes about Mr Fry - using the mind meld thought control thingy to cause further unrest so that we invade SMS take down the protective curtains in the boardroom so that Evil Lowe's mind waves can penetrate and exert their EVIL influence over My Fry so that he makes teh right EVIL choice... oh did I mention it was an EVIL scheme?

 

... well stranger things have happened at this club... Harry Rednapp leaving Portsmouth to take us down? Conspiracy theory? nah Consipracy FACT! I know its TRUE

 

That would make a good film Frank

[ericofarabia]

I'm running out of patience with people saying they're running out of patience with Fry.

 

And we haven't even got to the 'I expect it to be all sorted out in the next 24/48 hour stage yet' quote from Mr Fry.

 

Friday is looking a good bet

[Alan56]

Not sure if I should highlight this as everyone on here is meant to have signed up to the happy clappy brigade and be positive.

 

Check back over the last three-four decades or so and compare Southampton FC 's successes and those of Hants CCC.

 

Whenever the Saints do well Hants don't and vice versa.

 

We're doomed it would seem!!

[thegaffer]

Great post Frank and glad to see your speeling is coming along for those who can't get over it. The message is there but do you have to be so subtle? Surely the protaganists just need to answer some obvious questions? Get a job on Solent, preferably Sunday mornings.

 

Why's that don't you like Nick Girdler? You really must do your research.

[Professor]

You tell me how buggering about until assets the likes of McG, Surman and Davis have gone in a fire sale is getting the best deal for the creditors.

 

Sounds to me like he might be breaking the club up already.

 

Certainly. The company in administration is SLH Ltd. SFC Ltd is an asset of SLH and SFC is not in administration. The players contracts are with SFC, they are NOT assets of SLH. If SFC had failed to pay the player and staff wages the football club itself would have become insolvent and players contracts would have been unenforceable - all could have walked away for nothing. So, apart from the fact that no club can hold onto players who want to take a better playing offer elsewhere, the sale enabled the club to survive. Therefore SFC has been retained as a saleable asset, which when sold will provide funds for the creditors of SLH.

 

DMG/AS/KD have to make the most of the limited time they have as footballers so playing in Div1 would not be a good career move for them. If SFC or the SLH Administrators had resisted the moves when the money could save the club from extinction that would have been downright Dumm.

[Ken Tone]

I lost faith in Fry after he gave Pinnacle to long after the 3 weeks ran out.

 

 

To be fair to the man, I don't think he did give pinnacle any time after the 3 weeks, or at least no more exclusive time. My impression is that he started talking to other bidders again the day after the 3 weeks ran out. Just because Lynam kept saying "any day now" didn't mean Fry wasn't simultaneously talking to Herr/Frau/Fraulein Liebherr, or indeed to Jackson, and Uncle Tom Cobbley.

 

Of course Lynam's constant bull may have put the other bidders off talking *to* Fry very seriously.

 

What I'd like to know is how does one get a job as an administrator? It seems pretty well paid! I've never seen his cv, but he doesn't seem to be anything extraordinary ...doubt there's a first class hons from Oxbridge or an MBA from Harvard there, but I am judging a book by its cover.

 

K.

[Wade Garrett]

I know I am going to get slagged off for this, since I stated a while back that his legacy to SFC could be as big as MLTs in terms of saving the club (I stand by this comment, btw..), but has anyone started wondering if Fry is the cause of the ball-achingly slow allienation of anyone interested in buying us ?

 

I am sick-to-death of the daily banal plattitudes about progress being made, I want to see him get someone to put the money down and sign on the dotted line.

 

Then he can p*ss off back to his office in Southend or wherever it is, for all I care.

 

Do you still ask your mum what you've got for Christmas in October?

[OldNick]

On this occasion Alpine is correct. M Fry when he first arrived on the scene was impressive, especially in the way he was dealing with the league. I then said he was too good to be wasted as an administrator, then I got major doubts and posted so as he hesitated and did not take written bid on the table. Pinnacle pulled the wool over his eyes and his decision could have cost us the Swiss. They could easily have walked when he chose Pinnacle over them, where would that have left us then? Fry has many fans on here, you only have to see the abuse Alpine is getting to see that. When the final invoice of the administrator is published ( I assume it will be) then perhaps it will be seen how much he has earned by not being quick with his decision. May i also say it would not be Fry who found the Swiss, there would be contacts/middlemen involved.

[Joesaint]

Happy if all goes well.

[NickG]

So if he turned down pinnacle, who had shown some sort of proof of funds and intention, to wait for Swiss who weren't ready to go, and they decided not to complete (and they haven't yet) would that have been wrong as well?

[alpine_saint]

Happy if all goes well.

 

We all will be. For now, I am just exasperated and praying to an end of the shiittiest 5 years in the club's history.

[Frank's cousin]

So if he turned down pinnacle, who had shown some sort of proof of funds and intention, to wait for Swiss who weren't ready to go, and they decided not to complete (and they haven't yet) would that have been wrong as well?

 

I think thats the problem - Its pretty much certain that Pinnacle had prrof of funds - subject to due dilligence etc and gaining the license that they were first to the table and FRY was obliged therefore, to take them seriously - I still think we are OVER analysing this and OVER sensitive about because it fell through - it was just timing as the Swis arrived a little later - Fry cant be responsible for Pinnacles backers withdrawing, that was pinnacles responsibilty to ensure they had a back up plan etc. I think we are over analysing all this - we had our hopes built up thatPinnacle with MLT was osme sort of Dream package so teh disspointment is bound to cast doubt on teh Administrators, whereas its one of those things

[Give it to Ron]

On this occasion Alpine is correct.

 

Apart from the fact that KD is not an asset and not part of any firesale as he is out of contract.

[dubai_phil]

So if he turned down pinnacle, who had shown some sort of proof of funds and intention, to wait for Swiss who weren't ready to go, and they decided not to complete (and they haven't yet) would that have been wrong as well?

 

That is the critical question that is being asked Nick.

 

Public record - 4 backers, 3 walked out. What proof of funds did Fry accept? The old PoF or a new one.

 

Then the public record Fry demanded 500k deposit.

 

How much deposit was actually paid and by whom? THAT is a valid question

Fry did NOT confirm the figure, he was asked the question but he did not answer it.

 

Then the speculation comes into the equation with Leon joining the bid. It is public record that Leon loaned the club some money. The ONLY speculation is whether in some way getting him to join the bid COULD have been a point of negotiating - as in - look "a member of our bid" has already made a payment to the club, could you not use that as the deposit?

 

I have NO idea whether that was the case, you ARE correct in that Pinnacle SEEMED ready to act, but IF the speculation is correct then there is a question as to why the Swiss were expected to be working to different rules. How do we KNOW for example that their delay was not caused by the terms of the deposit? It's a valid question to ask..

 

FF is correct, they are questions that need answering AFTER we are safely in the hands of new owners. There is however no harm in asking them on a public forum now, Fry's not going to stop doing his job because some fans aren't convinced this has gone smoothly....

[OldNick]

I can see the conspiracy now... Lowe from his bunker in the Cotswolds has used Alien DNA (which he obtained from the blood of Chris Marsden) to take control of Bachelor is a strange sort of mind meld thought control thing... and is desperate to win the bidding war to gain his evil planned revenge on the Saints fans. As he sees the Swiss getting close he calls up his mates at the Mail to spread evil gossip of frustration and disillusionment - Undercover agent Alps who despite his protestations is in fact in league with this evil mastermind has been on to the boards to further disrupt the fans and spread bad vibes about Mr Fry - using the mind meld thought control thingy to cause further unrest so that we invade SMS take down the protective curtains in the boardroom so that Evil Lowe's mind waves can penetrate and exert their EVIL influence over My Fry so that he makes teh right EVIL choice... oh did I mention it was an EVIL scheme?

 

... well stranger things have happened at this club... Harry Rednapp leaving Portsmouth to take us down? Conspiracy theory? nah Consipracy FACT! I know its TRUE

but i believe you have the wrong villain. The pulling of the plug cost RL and co more than it did others in this fiasco.

[OldNick]

That is the critical question that is being asked Nick.

 

Public record - 4 backers, 3 walked out. What proof of funds did Fry accept? The old PoF or a new one.

 

Then the public record Fry demanded 500k deposit.

 

How much deposit was actually paid and by whom? THAT is a valid question

Fry did NOT confirm the figure, he was asked the question but he did not answer it.

 

Then the speculation comes into the equation with Leon joining the bid. It is public record that Leon loaned the club some money. The ONLY speculation is whether in some way getting him to join the bid COULD have been a point of negotiating - as in - look "a member of our bid" has already made a payment to the club, could you not use that as the deposit?

 

I have NO idea whether that was the case, you ARE correct in that Pinnacle SEEMED ready to act, but IF the speculation is correct then there is a question as to why the Swiss were expected to be working to different rules. How do we KNOW for example that their delay was not caused by the terms of the deposit? It's a valid question to ask..

 

FF is correct, they are questions that need answering AFTER we are safely in the hands of new owners. There is however no harm in asking them on a public forum now, Fry's not going to stop doing his job because some fans aren't convinced this has gone smoothly....

The whole idea of asking somebody to pay 500k non refundable to look at the books is ridiculous.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Why's that don't you like Nick Girdler? You really must do your research.

 

Nothing at all, I haven't listened for a while as you may be aware. Are you giving me good news? Mind you I enjoy watching Jenni Falconer in bed on a Sunday Morning these days.

[NickG]

That is the critical question that is being asked Nick.

 

Public record - 4 backers, 3 walked out. What proof of funds did Fry accept? The old PoF or a new one.

 

Then the public record Fry demanded 500k deposit.

 

How much deposit was actually paid and by whom? THAT is a valid question

Fry did NOT confirm the figure, he was asked the question but he did not answer it.

 

Then the speculation comes into the equation with Leon joining the bid. It is public record that Leon loaned the club some money. The ONLY speculation is whether in some way getting him to join the bid COULD have been a point of negotiating - as in - look "a member of our bid" has already made a payment to the club, could you not use that as the deposit?

 

I have NO idea whether that was the case, you ARE correct in that Pinnacle SEEMED ready to act, but IF the speculation is correct then there is a question as to why the Swiss were expected to be working to different rules. How do we KNOW for example that their delay was not caused by the terms of the deposit? It's a valid question to ask..

 

FF is correct, they are questions that need answering AFTER we are safely in the hands of new owners. There is however no harm in asking them on a public forum now, Fry's not going to stop doing his job because some fans aren't convinced this has gone smoothly....

 

Phil

There are too many if's in the situation, and indeed in your post, to argue either way.

Personally I don't know enough facts to fairly criticise, and my personal opinion is neither do any other posters on here (possible exception of Tony!).

Therefore after years of continual moaning, infighting etc around the club - both directors, bidders and fans, I am happy to see this one out - hopefully to a successful conclusion.

I will then have no negative feelings towards Fry - or even your mate;) but instead will await the opportunity to buy my season ticket and watching Tevez each week!

[Red and White Army]

The whole idea of asking somebody to pay 500k non refundable to look at the books is ridiculous.

 

It wasn't to look at the books. It was to gain a 3 week period of exclusivity. You can be damn sure that anyone stumping up 500k would have a complete picture of the state of the club and our finances before he ever signed the money away.

 

The money for for EXCLUSIVITY not to look at the books.

[SaintRobbie]

We all will be. For now, I am just exasperated and praying to an end of the shiittiest 14 years in the club's history.

 

Minor correction Alps.

[Kenilworthy]

Has Fry actually put any active effort into selling the club? Or has he just sat back and waited for people to express an interest?

[OldNick]

It wasn't to look at the books. It was to gain a 3 week period of exclusivity. You can be damn sure that anyone stumping up 500k would have a complete picture of the state of the club and our finances before he ever signed the money away.

 

The money for for EXCLUSIVITY not to look at the books.

I think you will find it was for both.

[Johnny Bognor]

I can see the conspiracy now... Lowe from his bunker in the Cotswolds has used Alien DNA (which he obtained from the blood of Chris Marsden) to take control of Bachelor is a strange sort of mind meld thought control thing... and is desperate to win the bidding war to gain his evil planned revenge on the Saints fans. As he sees the Swiss getting close he calls up his mates at the Mail to spread evil gossip of frustration and disillusionment - Undercover agent Alps who despite his protestations is in fact in league with this evil mastermind has been on to the boards to further disrupt the fans and spread bad vibes about Mr Fry - using the mind meld thought control thingy to cause further unrest so that we invade SMS take down the protective curtains in the boardroom so that Evil Lowe's mind waves can penetrate and exert their EVIL influence over My Fry so that he makes teh right EVIL choice... oh did I mention it was an EVIL scheme?

 

That's a bit like Ben 10....... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_10)

 

Except, in our case, it would be "Ben Minus 10"