Climate change

[Verbal]

What would we do without human beings wallowing in their own self importance? Keeps me amused anyway.

 

Trousers, while it's certainly true that ants, for example, are more important to the planet's ecosystems , it's not much of a philosophy to live by, is it: 'Yes, the destruction of the human race is all very well, but what about the ants'?

[Whitey Grandad]

Trousers, while it's certainly true that ants, for example, are more important to the planet's ecosystems , it's not much of a philosophy to live by, is it: 'Yes, the destruction of the human race is all very well, but what about the ants'?

All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.

[Verbal]

All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.

 

As someone who shares a birthday with Napoleon III, I prefer Boxer's 'Napoleon is always right.'

[Saint George]

Are you even sure you understand global warming? It has the OPPOSITE affect to 'what it says on the tin'. For example, the UK can expect many more freezing winters because as the world warms up from man made global warming, the ice caps melt. This in turn releases more fresh water into the sea which has/is/will continue to have an adverse effect on the gulf stream (which is what currently keeps Britain mild). I would buy some more thermals if I were you Dune.

 

HTH.

 

Oh yeah?....well in case you haven't noticed, there's a bit more to 'Global' than little 'ole England......So maybe you can find a theory to explain this then...http://mapcenter.hamweather.com/records/7day/us.html?c=maxtemp,mintemp,lowmax,highmin,snow

 

Hell, we even had a freeze in New Orleans last night!....Man, if this continues i might have to think about lagging my water pipes.

 

 

Of course, we all know that not a single winter maketh a climate....but hey, this cold weather's starting to become a little repetitive over the last few years......just sayin.....

 

Interesting that the BBC and the other Climate Commies scream and shout from the roof tops about AGW everytime there's a warm day, but they stfu about it during the cold spells.....anyone else noticed that?

 

Oh, talking of the BBC....http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/jan/06/bbc-trust-science-impartiality-review

 

Oh and Mr Mann too http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/06/climategate-michael-manns-very-unhappy-new-year/#more-14888

 

LOL...starting to get a little 'hot' in the Climate Kitchen......lots and lots and lots more of this to come, as the Climate fraudsters start to get held accountable for their various misuses of public funds around the world.....Some of us want our money back!

 

Happy days

[trousers]

http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/bastardi-europe-blog.asp?partner=accuweather

 

WEDNESDAY NOON EASTERN

 

I GUESS CNN MAKES IT OFFICIAL.

CNN had a new headline saying that there is a crippling snowstorm going on in England. Whewwwww, that's a load off my mind. I was worried that with this headline from my Saturday post:

 

SATURDAY 5 PM

LOOK OUT ENGLAND, A BAD MOON'S A-RISING.

POTENTIAL CRIPPLING SNOWSTORM ON THE HORIZON FOR SOUTHERN AND CENTRAL ENGLAND!

 

People might accuse me of hyping the weather situation.

But now that CNN is calling it that, I guess I can breathe easy. After all once the mainstream media reports it, then we all know it's the truth.

Ciao for now. ****

 

WEDNESDAY MORNING DUEL REPORT

I have a video online detailing how the same pattern that occurred when screams of ice age were heard in the 1970s is occurring now.

In the coldest winter since the 1970s, Jan. 1-10 in the Northern Hemisphere major population centers, the rep cities after five days stand at -8.3. There is nothing even close to this in the last 20 years for the same period. The "duel" ends on Jan 10.

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/149760 Gas supplies running out? stay warm.

 

After reading this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1240082/It-gigantic-supercomputer-1-/in dex.html

 

I am thankful that the super-computers thought this would be a mild winter. What would have happened if it actually saw it would be cold?

By the way folks, the only value of these powerful computers is that they can arrive at the wrong answer as fast as they arrive at the right one.

Ciao for now. ****

 

TUESDAY EVENING.

 

WHAT IS LEFT FOR ME TO SAY?

 

Folks, for the last three weeks I have been posting quite a bit on this cold that was coming. Now that it is obvious, the best I can do is simply report to you on the worldwide test.

 

What else am I supposed to say? There is nothing else since I AM A FORECASTER, NOT A NOWCASTER. Anyone can come in tell you it's snowing and cold, once it's snowing and cold.

 

But hopefully this winter will wake people up to the EXTREME position that has been taken by climate scientists on the global warming issue. For I must point out to you that the forecasts for cold winters came from people that A) are predominately private forecasters and b) have been at this competitive situation so long, that they are well aware of the practical aspects of the climate.

 

I am not talking about ivory tower dictating from above, but instead the ditchdiggers that do this every day of their life out of love of subject. The goal is not to "save the planet" but to nail the forecast.

 

So the very people that did not see this, now are issuing all sorts of alerts and warnings, alerts and warnings judging by their ideas beforehand, they couldn't have expected for the winter.

 

I don't ask these people to quit their jobs, nor should they be chastised for their forecast. What they should rein in is the elitist attitude that they KNOW the future, be it a day, week month, year, decade, etc. And quit screaming that the hottest year on record is on the way when the warm winter is buried in a Scottish snowbank.

 

Winters like this will become more common the next few decades. After we get through with ocean cycles, Pacific and Atlantic that are colder and some of the ideas with solar cycles, we will be able to see that the Earth's temp is relative to when we started using the satellite. My forecast is that it will return to at least where it was, and perhaps even farther... back to where we were in the 1800s. But the cooling is just as likely as the screaming and yelling about warming.

 

So what is the value of seeing this winter? Nothing if you don't use what is happening as a reason to question dictates on the future. I am not asking you to believe me, but let the cold of the winter be a reminder that you have a life, a mind, a future, and the least you should do is search for the answer by looking at all the ideas, not simply accept a force fed a solution that may not be needed.

 

There is not much else I can say about the current pattern. It is for the nowcasters. I will look for things others aren't seeing, and I will keep reporting the situation as far as the global challenge, as I want to see how good that idea was based on real data.

Ciao for now. ****

 

Tuesday Duel Report

After four days, the test cities for how cold this outbreak is in the major industrial areas of the Northern Hemisphere stand at -8!

 

MONDAY DUEL REPORT.

After three days, the test cities for the worldwide duel have a cumulative total of 7.4 BELOW normal.

Ciao for now. ***

 

EXTREME COLD TAKING COLD FROM SPAIN TO THE UKRAINE AND NORTH. EURO SNOWCOVER EXPANDS ANEW.

 

After two days of the worldwide Jan. 1-10 temp challenges, the selected cities in the Far East, North America and Europe combined stand at -6! The core of the cold is just starting its attack. This forecast was issued back at Christmas and it's only now that the media picked up on my ideas.

 

The threat of crippling snow looks to be less for England as the storm track is too far southeast. However, there will be plenty of snow in this part of Europe the next 7-10 days and we can all argue with each other on which was worse, the cold or snow. I am starting here because I appear I was overdone yesterday on the late week snow threat. It is going to snow, but not as much a I thought in over such a wide area.

 

There will be areas that have their deepest winter snowcover in many years by the 10th.

 

But for the continent as a whole, this next week to 10 days will be as severe as any in the past 20 years. I hear talk of it being the worst in 100 years; I don't know about that, since I had not researched back that far. One could have snuck in without me seeing it. But the winter, as I opined earlier is going to one overall that will remind us of what Dickens would write about.

 

Overall, the storm is moving farther south and east and that spares England from the widespread extreme event (Again most places are going to get significant snow over the next week to 10 days, but the specific storm threat is something I believe I erred on. I am sure my detractors will come after me... which amuses me since most of them had no idea this kind of winter was on the way in the first place.) However farther southeast, it means the snowcover spreads back south again and it may even snow a second time on the Riviera... isn't that Nice?

 

Overall, for the continent, it's the second surge, and worse than the first, of weather that leads to more hardship than the general European public was lead to believe would happen from the non private sources.

 

Stay warm. Ciao for now. ****

[badgerx16]

.

 

Interesting that the BBC and the other Climate Commies scream and shout from the roof tops about AGW everytime there's a warm day, but they stfu about it during the cold spells.....anyone else noticed that?

 

Do you mean like this, ( Note - from the ToryGraph ) ;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/6937019/Cold-weather-doesnt-undermine-global-warming-science.html

 

Also, from the Met Office ( mind you they are tightly bound into your conspiracy ) ;

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/2010/pr20100106b.html

 

And, then there is this from 2007 ;

 

http://jeffmcintirestrasburg.greenoptions.com/2007/04/12/green-myth-busting-global-warming-and-cold-weather/

[trousers]

Trousers, while it's certainly true that ants, for example, are more important to the planet's ecosystems , it's not much of a philosophy to live by, is it: 'Yes, the destruction of the human race is all very well, but what about the ants'?

 

Molecules

[trousers]

Lol @ "My quote's better than your quote...ner ner ner ner ner"

 

Still, makes for excellent entertainment for the impartial observer from another planet.

 

:-)

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Oh yeah?....well in case you haven't noticed, there's a bit more to 'Global' than little 'ole England......So maybe you can find a theory to explain this then...http://mapcenter.hamweather.com/records/7day/us.html?c=maxtemp,mintemp,lowmax,highmin,snow

 

Hell, we even had a freeze in New Orleans last night!....Man, if this continues i might have to think about lagging my water pipes.

 

 

Of course, we all know that not a single winter maketh a climate....but hey, this cold weather's starting to become a little repetitive over the last few years......just sayin.....

 

Interesting that the BBC and the other Climate Commies scream and shout from the roof tops about AGW everytime there's a warm day, but they stfu about it during the cold spells.....anyone else noticed that?

 

Oh, talking of the BBC....http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/jan/06/bbc-trust-science-impartiality-review

 

Oh and Mr Mann too http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/06/climategate-michael-manns-very-unhappy-new-year/#more-14888

 

LOL...starting to get a little 'hot' in the Climate Kitchen......lots and lots and lots more of this to come, as the Climate fraudsters start to get held accountable for their various misuses of public funds around the world.....Some of us want our money back!

 

Happy days

 

DID YOU EVEN READ MY POST!?!!? I said that it would be getting colder during the winter, so if anything, you have backed up my point by saying "this weather is getting repetitive"...thanks St.George, we agree on something. You really are a Melon.

[trousers]

DID YOU EVEN READ MY POST!?!!? I said that it would be getting colder during the winter, so if anything, you have backed up my point by saying "this weather is getting repetitive"...thanks St.George, we agree on something.

 

I think everyone since the beginning of time has broadly "agreed" that winters can be a tad chilly. It's the reason why winters are a tad chilly that people are disagreeing on.

 

So, yes, you both agree on the symptom, but disagree on the cause.

 

Anyway, my home planet is calling. We are making a TV series about humans and your planet. It's a farce.

[Verbal]

Molecules

 

For or against?

[Whitey Grandad]

As someone who shares a birthday with Napoleon III, I prefer Boxer's 'Napoleon is always right.'

Does he ever send you a birthday card?

[Thedelldays]

it has been said that "climate change" is the new SOCIALISM

[dubai_phil]

How times change.

 

Back in the dark ages, I remember an excellent series on the Beeb by Nigel Calder. "The Weather Machine & The Threat of Ice". He even published a damn good book to go with the series.

 

Anyway, using the available scientific data up to that date, he was able to produce a very solid case for the fact that The Earth was on the verge of it's next Ice Age.

 

Obviously, seeing as there was only the one book and TV series and no Nobel Prizes at that time, all those theories and scientific data from only 25 years ago has been completely disregarded iin the current "I've got a nice career in climate change" environment.

[dune]

it has been said that "climate change" is the new SOCIALISM

 

If there was no global warming then Thorpe-le-saint and peple like him would be out saving whales or picketing nuclear power stations or hugging trees.

 

But isn't it odd how such ardent lefties don't partake in counter demo's against Islamic extremists.

[Sheaf Saint]

If there was no global warming then Thorpe-le-saint and peple like him would be out saving whales or picketing nuclear power stations or hugging trees.

 

But isn't it odd how such ardent lefties don't partake in counter demo's against Islamic extremists.

 

Do you?

[ottery st mary]

I remember the Global warming in 1963...Silly old bugger...They reminded me of this on the news tonight.....I remember the old man saying someone or something is trying to fluuuck our little world.....maybe he was right after all.

[dune]

Do you?

 

I have attended a counter demo, yes.

[aintforever]

I think it's a mistake to mix the science of climate change with politics, the two are completely separate. Every government on the planet (apart from only Saudi Arabia I think) recognize that man is effecting the climate, that cannot be a right or left wing agenda, it's just science.

 

Where they do mix is in how we combat it, as long as all the world's countries are competing against one another on a global market there will NEVER be any effective change - the only way for change is by working together for the benefit of everyone and government control, that is what the right wing are finding so hard to come to terms with.

[aintforever]

This is quite worrying, or not at all depending on wether you are right or left wing....

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8437703.stm

[Saint in Paradise]

http://www.kusi.com/home/78477082.html?video=pop&t=a

 

[Sheaf Saint]

I think it's a mistake to mix the science of climate change with politics, the two are completely separate. Every government on the planet (apart from only Saudi Arabia I think) recognize that man is effecting the climate, that cannot be a right or left wing agenda, it's just science.

 

Spot on. This is the point that I and one or two others have been trying to get St G and Dune to realise for some time now, but they seem far too blinded by their anti-left agenda to appreciate it.

[Saint George]

DID YOU EVEN READ MY POST!?!!? I said that it would be getting colder during the winter, so if anything, you have backed up my point by saying "this weather is getting repetitive"...thanks St.George, we agree on something. You really are a Melon.

 

Erm, no you didn't...... you said........ the rest of the world warming up, would make the UK colder....Look i have it here......Originally Posted by Thorpe-le-Saint

Are you even sure you understand global warming? It has the OPPOSITE affect to 'what it says on the tin'. For example, the UK can expect many more freezing winters because as the world warms up from man made global warming, the ice caps melt. This in turn releases more fresh water into the sea which has/is/will continue to have an adverse effect on the gulf stream (which is what currently keeps Britain mild).

 

I mearly pointed out to you that other places were cold too.....despite the fact that according to you, they're s'posed to be warm for the UK to be cold.

 

You really should pay more attention....you'll never get out of the stupid club at this rate

 

 

Thats a great vid Saint in Paradise ......Difficult to argue with John Coleman...he's been right about all things climate related for many years....Shame some of the alarmist's can't peer above thier comfy blankets for 3 m

[hamster]

I ain't no scientist but can anyone decipher what “Mike’s Nature trick.... to hide the decline.”means?

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Erm, no you didn't...... you said........ the rest of the world warming up, would make the UK colder....Look i have it here......Originally Posted by Thorpe-le-Saint

Are you even sure you understand global warming? It has the OPPOSITE affect to 'what it says on the tin'. For example, the UK can expect many more freezing winters because as the world warms up from man made global warming, the ice caps melt. This in turn releases more fresh water into the sea which has/is/will continue to have an adverse effect on the gulf stream (which is what currently keeps Britain mild).

 

I mearly pointed out to you that other places were cold too.....despite the fact that according to you, they're s'posed to be warm for the UK to be cold.

 

You really should pay more attention....you'll never get out of the stupid club at this rate

 

 

Thats a great vid Saint in Paradise ......Difficult to argue with John Coleman...he's been right about all things climate related for many years....Shame some of the alarmist's can't peer above thier comfy blankets for 3 m

 

Did you seriously think I meant over such a short period of time, ie. this week?!?! Please! Just because New Orleans was a bit 'parky'...do you live in such a bubble that New Orleans is the world and world is New Orleans? The rise in average temperatures leads to the melting of the ice caps (I'm not going to repeat myself). This is the reason why the UK will in the future experience 'Siberian' winters a lot more. Just to be crystal, this hasn't happened yet, this is what is going to happen...which is why I wrote 'can expect'.

 

Someone get me a peice of chalk.

[badgerx16]

I ain't no scientist but can anyone decipher what “Mike’s Nature trick.... to hide the decline.”means?

http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/mikes-nature-trick-to-hide-the-decline/

 

And just to show balance, the 'sceptical' explanation

 

http://climateaudit.org/2009/11/20/mike%E2%80%99s-nature-trick/

[Sheaf Saint]

Erm, no you didn't...... you said........ the rest of the world warming up, would make the UK colder....Look i have it here......Originally Posted by Thorpe-le-Saint

Are you even sure you understand global warming? It has the OPPOSITE affect to 'what it says on the tin'. For example, the UK can expect many more freezing winters because as the world warms up from man made global warming, the ice caps melt. This in turn releases more fresh water into the sea which has/is/will continue to have an adverse effect on the gulf stream (which is what currently keeps Britain mild).

 

I mearly pointed out to you that other places were cold too.....despite the fact that according to you, they're s'posed to be warm for the UK to be cold.

 

You really should pay more attention....you'll never get out of the stupid club at this rate

 

 

Thats a great vid Saint in Paradise ......Difficult to argue with John Coleman...he's been right about all things climate related for many years....Shame some of the alarmist's can't peer above thier comfy blankets for 3 m

 

Actually St George, it's only the oceans that need to be warm in order for the cooling effect on the UK that TLS is talking about to happen. I have tried to find evidence all over the internet that this isn't the case, but I can't find any. It seems pretty unanimous that the oceans are heating up.

 

So while the UK and other places might be suffering a cold snap right now, the oceans temperatures are continuing to rise, thus causing the arctic ice-melt and consequently disrupting the gulfstream.

 

I'm not going to bother posting any links, because there are far too many which confirm this. You only have to do a simple google search for yourself.

[Thedelldays]

seeing as the climate HAS changed through out history on a massive scale that simply cannot be contributed to man....why is now any different

 

people say history will judge us by what we do...yes you are right, maybe in 50-100 years, they will hate us for thinking we could STOP/CHANGE the rate of climate change rather than set up society to DEAL with mother nature

[GenevaSaint]

Oh yeah?....well in case you haven't noticed, there's a bit more to 'Global' than little 'ole England......So maybe you can find a theory to explain this then...http://mapcenter.hamweather.com/records/7day/us.html?c=maxtemp,mintemp,lowmax,highmin,snow

 

Hell, we even had a freeze in New Orleans last night!....Man, if this continues i might have to think about lagging my water pipes.

 

 

Of course, we all know that not a single winter maketh a climate....but hey, this cold weather's starting to become a little repetitive over the last few years......just sayin.....

 

Interesting that the BBC and the other Climate Commies scream and shout from the roof tops about AGW everytime there's a warm day, but they stfu about it during the cold spells.....anyone else noticed that?

 

Oh, talking of the BBC....http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/jan/06/bbc-trust-science-impartiality-review

 

Oh and Mr Mann too http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/06/climategate-michael-manns-very-unhappy-new-year/#more-14888

 

LOL...starting to get a little 'hot' in the Climate Kitchen......lots and lots and lots more of this to come, as the Climate fraudsters start to get held accountable for their various misuses of public funds around the world.....Some of us want our money back!

 

Happy days

 

The cold snap we've had in the UK and Europe has been caused by the North Atlantic/Artic Oscilliation being in a negative phase, climate change is irrelevant here St George.

 

http://nsidc.org/arcticmet/patterns/arctic_oscillation.html

http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/264999/

Edited 8 January, 2010 by GenevaSaint

[GenevaSaint]

Actually St George, it's only the oceans that need to be warm in order for the cooling effect on the UK that TLS is talking about to happen. I have tried to find evidence all over the internet that this isn't the case, but I can't find any. It seems pretty unanimous that the oceans are heating up.

 

So while the UK and other places might be suffering a cold snap right now, the oceans temperatures are continuing to rise, thus causing the arctic ice-melt and consequently disrupting the gulfstream.

 

I'm not going to bother posting any links, because there are far too many which confirm this. You only have to do a simple google search for yourself.

 

Bexy, the de-salination of the gulf stream and the effects on the climate of the UK and Western Europe cannot be questioned by St George and one of his poxy graphs, hence no reply.

[Whitey Grandad]

Did you seriously think I meant over such a short period of time, ie. this week?!?! Please! Just because New Orleans was a bit 'parky'...do you live in such a bubble that New Orleans is the world and world is New Orleans? The rise in average temperatures leads to the melting of the ice caps (I'm not going to repeat myself). This is the reason why the UK will in the future experience 'Siberian' winters a lot more. Just to be crystal, this hasn't happened yet, this is what is going to happen...which is why I wrote 'can expect'.

 

Someone get me a peice of chalk.

Not in Antarctica it isn't. Less ice at the North Pole can also be because less snow falls in winter, the same reason that glaciers in Norway have been retreating for over 150 years.

[Whitey Grandad]

Bexy, the de-salination of the gulf stream and the effects on the climate of the UK and Western Europe cannot be questioned by St George and one of his poxy graphs, hence no reply.

The latest orthodoxy is that the Gulf Stream has not, and will not change.

[Verbal]

The latest orthodoxy is that the Gulf Stream has not, and will not change.

 

Source, Grandad? Yours are the most plausible sceptical posts on here, so I'm always curious.

[GenevaSaint]

The latest orthodoxy is that the Gulf Stream has not, and will not change.

 

Thought that the gulf stream would "dive" and miss the UK was the one thing most scientists could agree on! Do you have any links to this change of thinking from a non biased scientific organisation?

[badgerx16]

Not in Antarctica it isn't. .

I thought the Ross Ice Shelf was retreating faster than the French army in the face of the blitzkrieg ?

[hypochondriac]

Thought that the gulf stream would "dive" and miss the UK was the one thing most scientists could agree on! Do you have any links to this change of thinking from a non biased scientific organisation?

 

I know an important British oceanographer. He reckons it will change and I believe him.

[Whitey Grandad]

I thought the Ross Ice Shelf was retreating faster than the French army in the face of the blitzkrieg ?

The 'western' side is reducing but the 'east' is increasing. (I'm not sure how there can be an East and West in Antarctica but what do I know?)

 

http://www.news.com.au/antarctic-ice-is-growing-not-melting-away/story-0-1225700043191

[TopGun]

seeing as the climate HAS changed through out history on a massive scale that simply cannot be contributed to man....why is now any different

people say history will judge us by what we do...yes you are right, maybe in 50-100 years, they will hate us for thinking we could STOP/CHANGE the rate of climate change rather than set up society to DEAL with mother nature

 

 

Clearly TDD is having a dull moment. Industrialisation since the 1700s is why it is different.

[Whitey Grandad]

Source, Grandad? Yours are the most plausible sceptical posts on here, so I'm always curious.

Oh no, what have I done? Now I've got to go and dive through all those reports I've read over the last few years. Oh well, let's see what we find...

 

(We don't actually get the Gulf Stream, just the North Atlantic Drift, but it's effect is similar)

[Thedelldays]

Clearly TDD is having a dull moment. Industrialisation since the 1700s is why it is different.

im on about the ice age, etc etc..

 

the world did not start c1700 AD

[Whitey Grandad]

Ther'es a bit here saying that we have no idea whether it will stop or not. We always have to remember who is publishing this stuff, there are a lot of people scrabbling about for limited research money.

 

http://www.whoi.edu/page.do?pid=12455&tid=282&cid=9986

[Whitey Grandad]

Clearly TDD is having a dull moment. Industrialisation since the 1700s is why it is different.

It might be the reason now but it certainly wasn't in all the previous occasions so we ought to be sure what's happening and why.

 

More about the Gulf Stream:

 

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jul/08/news/adfg-gulf8

[aintforever]

im on about the ice age, etc etc..

 

the world did not start c1700 AD

 

The climate has always changed, but it has changed for a reason (solar cycles, shifts in the earth's orbit, volcanoes etc). These are things scientists observe and measure and the vast majority think they cannot account for the recent warming.

 

CO2 absorbs heat more than the other gasses in our atmosphere - FACT

 

CO2 levels have been linked directly to temperature thoughout the Earth's history - FACT

 

Humans are pumping out billions of tons of it - FACT

 

Much is still to be learned about the effects of man's CO2 but many experts predict a catastrophic outcome, it would be very foolish just to ignore these facts and hope the scientists are wrong when common sense says they are not.

[Whitey Grandad]

This is a good site for satellite images: http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/data/

[Whitey Grandad]

The climate has always changed, but it has changed for a reason (solar cycles, shifts in the earth's orbit, volcanoes etc). These are things scientists observe and measure and the vast majority think they cannot account for the recent warming.

 

CO2 absorbs heat more than the other gasses in our atmosphere - FACT

 

CO2 levels have been linked directly to temperature thoughout the Earth's history - FACT

 

Humans are pumping out billions of tons of it - FACT

 

Much is still to be learned about the effects of man's CO2 but many experts predict a catastrophic outcome, it would be very foolish just to ignore these facts and hope the scientists are wrong when common sense says they are not.

No, water vapour and methane are many times more significant that CO2.

[badgerx16]

The 'western' side is reducing but the 'east' is increasing. (I'm not sure how there can be an East and West in Antarctica but what do I know?)

 

http://www.news.com.au/antarctic-ice-is-growing-not-melting-away/story-0-1225700043191

That was from April last year, this is November....

 

http://greenhouseneutralfoundation.org/articles/2009/11/12/massive-ross-ice-shelf-may-collapse-without-warning/

 

I think we are probably still in the 'we are not quite sure what is happening' phase.

[badgerx16]

No, water vapour and methane are many times more significant that CO2.

Which is why oceanic heating is such a concern, ( see the links to methane being released from the sea bed deposits ).

[aintforever]

No, water vapour and methane are many times more significant that CO2.

 

True but CO2 is a significant greenhouse gas, which we are pumping out billions of tons of and is linked to the temperature of the planet.

 

Just because there are other greenhouse gasses how does that make CO2 not a greenhouse gas?

[Whitey Grandad]

True but CO2 is a significant greenhouse gas, which we are pumping out billions of tons of and is linked to the temperature of the planet.

 

Just because there are other greenhouse gasses how does that make CO2 not a greenhouse gas?

The question is 'how significant'? Increased temperatures lead to more water vapour which means more clouds which reflect more sunlight into space. Earlier climate models took no account of this effect. The reason for this was 'we did not know what effect clouds had so we left it out of our model'. This is also why solar activity is possibly more important than previously thought. An increase in high energy solar radiation has been proposed as causing more cloud formation.

 

There is plenty of food for discussion here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_variation

It's Wikipedia so the usual caveats apply.

[Whitey Grandad]

Yet another article. They all seem to say 'we just don't know'.

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/jul/18/20040718-115714-6334r/