Wotte to remain as manager

[SaintRobbie]

Completely agree. We should get rid of all the Dutch set-up. We are destined for a second successive relegation otherwise.

 

Totally underwhelmed after all the hope of the last fortnight.

 

No comment.

[Fan The Flames]

This is my concern too - no desire and poor tactics!

 

I still can't get his rantings about the protests - not proper fans?

 

His loyalty is probably due to the fact he hasn't had any other offers - maybe a bit unfair but wouldn't you be looking for another job under the circumstances? It's not as if he's a Southampton fan and would do it for nothing (he had to renegotiate a contract)!

 

Any Manager is better than no Manager - I guess, sorry Mark if this sounds a bit negative but you had your chance and you blew it last season. All this talk about giving people a chance is fine - we gave big Lawrie another go after relegation, but he had charisma and had to sort things out in the dressing room...

 

+1

 

He knows he is better off in England and is hanging on by the tip of his c##k.

[SaintRobbie]

+1

 

He knows he is better off in England and is hanging on by the tip of his c##k.

 

Absolutely no comment or inference that I have seen said c##k.

[St. Jason]

Happy with that, think he should be given the chance seeing as he has showed continual commitment to the club in a time when others would have fled.

 

In fairness all he did was to do the job he was paid to do until his contract ran out out on june 30th!

 

I really don't see what esle he's done? Sure he said all the right things but is that not his job? he prepared preseason, again is that not the job he was apid to do?

 

Note. he is contracted to SAINTS as manager till 30th June then on the 1st July he reverts to his old contract as academy boss, if he walked away he gets nothing, if he waits to be pushed he gets compensation!!!!

[derry]

Which is exactly why we didn't play with wingers much imo - we didnt have the fast strong strikers to make it work.

 

We didn't play with wingers because except for the odd occasion they weren't picked. The efficient team occupy the full width of the pitch attacking and are delighted when the opposition don't when defending.

 

Secondly we didn't score enough goals because we didn't get any crosses in low or high.

 

Thirdly we conceded far too many goals by allowing the opposition to counter attack us down our empty flanks.

 

Not enough goals and too many easy goals conceded, the story of our season.

 

Wotte and the diamond is not the way to go, it makes us far too limited, rigid and predictable. The players don't like it, understand how to make it work, and make it a inefficient system for us.

 

That's not to say different intelligent fast and mobile players wouldn't make it work and provide proper width by anticipation and movement.

 

Davis, Wotton, and Surman argued against it but were overruled.

 

I have been told that he applied for the Watford job.

Edited 3 July, 2009 by derry

[thorpie the sinner]

We didn't play with wingers because except for the odd occasion they weren't picked. The efficient team occupy the full width of the pitch attacking and are delighted when the opposition don't when defending.

 

Secondly we didn't score enough goals because we didn't get any crosses in low or high.

 

Thirdly we conceded far too many goals by allowing the opposition to counter attack us down our empty flanks.

 

Not enough goals and too many easy goals conceded, the story of our season.

 

Wotte and the diamond is not the way to go, it makes us far too limited, rigid and predictable. The players don't like it, understand how to make it work, and make it a inefficient system for us.

 

That's not to say different intelligent fast and mobile players wouldn't make it work and provide proper width by anticipation and movement.

 

Davis, Wotton, and Surman argued against it but were overruled.

 

I have been told that he applied for the Watford job.

 

it didn't work last year, everyone saw that!! No one could possibly make that mistake again!

[derry]

it didn't work last year, everyone saw that!! No one could possibly make that mistake again!

 

I don't think Wotte is that flexible Si, good managers pick a team and make the loose system fit their abilities. Unsuccessful coaches tend to pick an inflexible system and shoehorn the players into it usually with poor results.

[thorpie the sinner]

I don't think Wotte is that flexible Si, good managers pick a team and make the loose system fit their abilities. Unsuccessful coaches tend to pick an inflexible system and shoehorn the players into it usually with poor results.

 

Lets get Dubai Phil in, he has a 100% record at St Marys lol!!! It would boost our home form!

[derry]

Strachan is back home again in Warsash, he would be a real catch if he could be persuaded.

[Frank's cousin]

I don't think Wotte is that flexible Si, good managers pick a team and make the loose system fit their abilities. Unsuccessful coaches tend to pick an inflexible system and shoehorn the players into it usually with poor results.

 

I think thats fair enough, which is probably does better with academy kids than first team and more experienced pros. The younger kids are more flexible and can be moulded easier to suit a system, whereas the older pros are pretty much stuk in their ways?

 

Right now though we dont exactly have to much choice...

[Professor]

Here we go again - more mindless criticism of the people who are running the club we all love. It was just this sort of thing that encouraged Michael Wilde in his ill-fated attempt to take over the club back in 2005. If Mark Wotte is confirmed as manager by the new owners he deserves to have the full support of every fan, both on and off the ground.

As for this theme that 'Dutch' is used almost as a term of abuse - Dutch didn't do Chelsea much harm and some of the most respected players and coaches are Dutch, so why not give it a rest.

[Whitey Grandad]

Here we go again - more mindless criticism of the people who are running the club we all love. It was just this sort of thing that encouraged Michael Wilde in his ill-fated attempt to take over the club back in 2005. If Mark Wotte is confirmed as manager by the new owners he deserves to have the full support of every fan, both on and off the ground.

As for this theme that 'Dutch' is used almost as a term of abuse - Dutch didn't do Chelsea much harm and some of the most respected players and coaches are Dutch, so why not give it a rest.

So, Professor, do you think that the same style of football will be as big a success in League 1 as last season? (and I'm hoping for an honest debate here)

[SaintRobbie]

Here we go again - more mindless criticism of the people who are running the club we all love. It was just this sort of thing that encouraged Michael Wilde in his ill-fated attempt to take over the club back in 2005. If Mark Wotte is confirmed as manager by the new owners he deserves to have the full support of every fan, both on and off the ground.

As for this theme that 'Dutch' is used almost as a term of abuse - Dutch didn't do Chelsea much harm and some of the most respected players and coaches are Dutch, so why not give it a rest.

 

I will support Wotte if he is the manager. Because I'd have had no choice.

 

Frankly though, with the quality available amongst unemployed managers who know League 1 and the CCC and watching the impact of him in maintaining the support of our best youngsters, Surman, Lallana etc.. I do not see an inspirational leader.

 

I hope we are taken over VERY soon. I said a while ago I'd start to panic if we hadnt been sold after June. Seeing Wotte retained and noting we seem no closer to a takeover as we were 3 weeks ago, with yet more buyers emerging to drag out the competition, I am now starting to get VERY CONCERNED.

 

Players are leaving, good young players who we needed to mount a challenge for the playoffs this year with a new manager. (I think Wotte will relegate us to League 2 and will stand by that prediction). Our team is now deserting...note todays Lallana debate. We need strong leadership - strong inspirational leadership NOW in order to rebuild this side and provide hope and optimism to our players AND fans.

 

Time to put the pressure on Fry to sell. He's now had long enough. It's time for a new owner to appoint an inspirational manager to retain our players. Joke's now over Fry.

Edited 4 July, 2009 by SaintRobbie

[ottery st mary]

Here we go again - more mindless criticism of the people who are running the club we all love. It was just this sort of thing that encouraged Michael Wilde in his ill-fated attempt to take over the club back in 2005. If Mark Wotte is confirmed as manager by the new owners he deserves to have the full support of every fan, both on and off the ground.

As for this theme that 'Dutch' is used almost as a term of abuse - Dutch didn't do Chelsea much harm and some of the most respected players and coaches are Dutch, so why not give it a rest.

 

Prof........Not mindless at all..everyone has an opinion and state what they think..just like your mindless statements from time to time stating what you think....Most including YOU.. are wrong more often than not...My opinion.

 

Although you are probably right more often than me.. Your opinion ...Most of us, you mindlessly criticise, have always been right about Lowe, Wilde, Cowan, Askham, Phil The Whale, JP, Wotte and associated mob..Whereas on these

peeps you have have turned a blind eye and mindlessly defended them..My opinion....Maybe all football supporters..particularly Saints followers are mindless:rolleyes:............Mindless reply by me....But you know what I mean.

[Master Bates]

He did quit Saints then

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4475291.Wotte_s_Egypt_U_turn/?ref=eb

[NickG]

in the pink;

MLT told him they wanted to replace him with high profile manager, Wotte said if you get likes of Keegan or WGS he didn't mind but he could do a better job than just another average manager,MLT said if he couldn't get likes of those two then he would want Wotte.

Wotte said if you get those it will be good for the club and he didn't mind. , MLT told him would only replace him for one of these very good managers. If not the job was his.

Wotte was happy to stay loyal with this - knowing he maybe replaced.

Then Fialke did a live tv interview saying Wotte was definately going.

This is when Wotte accepted offer from Egypt.

When Pinnacle collapsed he withdrew, hoping to stay.

Edited 5 July, 2009 by NickG

[Master Bates]

Fair play to him.

 

Wotte, you sir are a gent.

[OldNick]

 

Although you are probably right more often than me.. Your opinion ...Most of us, you mindlessly criticise, have always been right about Lowe, Wilde, Cowan, Askham, Phil The Whale, JP, Wotte and associated mob...

Ottery until you and the rest dont join and actually accept ALL the past inhabitors of the directors box have been small minded selfish and destructive we are going to have the divisions.

I have put RL and co to the back and only when taunted by misquotes etc will I mention them. LC is the closest to having some credit but then when you think back at his misjudgements and wish for power that I back off forgiving him.

Why dont we forget all the past, it is like forgiving Adolf Speer who was still part of that hideous regime,if we give any slack to the past small time personalities we had.

I want a new beginning and wipe the past, if we get a new geroup lets try and reconcile and move on, and unite in dispising all the past .

[SaintRobbie]

Ottery until you and the rest dont join and actually accept ALL the past inhabitors of the directors box have been small minded selfish and destructive we are going to have the divisions.

I have put RL and co to the back and only when taunted by misquotes etc will I mention them. LC is the closest to having some credit but then when you think back at his misjudgements and wish for power that I back off forgiving him.

Why dont we forget all the past, it is like forgiving Adolf Speer who was still part of that hideous regime,if we give any slack to the past small time personalities we had.

I want a new beginning and wipe the past, if we get a new geroup lets try and reconcile and move on, and unite in dispising all the past .

 

I agree Nick, including the manager. A chance for something new and inspiring! Bring it on!

[saint77]

wotte has got to be replaced whoever takes over

[eelpie]

Wotte has done us good service throughout this turmoil which I fear could still go on for weeks. However I have not yet seen evidence that he is tactically good enough to get the best out of our current players in any league, and the Eastleigh match does not dissuade me otherwise. Having said that he did bring in Size last season which was a very good signing, and I would hope that with new owners we would be able to get Size back.

 

But we need to appoint a manager with better tactical nous and the strength and personality to drive us forward. This means the new guy needs to choose and build his own squad soon, and not be saddled with another coach's left-overs. So a new manager really is a matter of urgency as soon as a new buyer has arrived.

[eelpie]

Fair play to him.

 

Wotte, you sir are a gent.

 

We don't need a gent. We need a rottweiller.

[SaintRobbie]

in the pink;

he MLT who told him they wanted to replace him with high profile manager, Wotte said if you get likes of Keegan or WGS but if he couldn't get them he would want Wotte.

Wotte said if you get those it will be good for the club and he didn't mind. Wotte told MLT that if he could do better job than an average english manager, MLT told him would only replace him for one of these very good managers. If not the job was his.

Wotte was happy to stay loyal with this - knowing he maybe replaced.

Then Fialke did a live tv interview saying Wotte was definately going.

This is when Wotte accepted offer from Egypt.

When Pinnacle collapsed he withdrew, hoping to stay.

 

In sum. MLT, 'if we take over you're sacked unless we cant find a better manager.' Fair one.

[eelpie]

He did quit Saints then

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4475291.Wotte_s_Egypt_U_turn/?ref=eb

 

What right has anyone at SFC got to award a manager's contract at this time? Surely only Fry can do this? But why would Fry wish to create a contract that a new owner might wish to tear up, involving expensive compensation? It doesn't make sense to me.

[SaintRobbie]

He did quit Saints then

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4475291.Wotte_s_Egypt_U_turn/?ref=eb

 

'...for my pride I didn’t want to continue preparing the team for somebody else.' Wotte.

 

Well there you go.... pride before the fall?

[SaintRobbie]

What right has anyone at SFC got to award a manager's contract at this time? Surely only Fry can do this? But why would Fry wish to create a contract that a new owner might wish to tear up, involving expensive compensation? It doesn't make sense to me.

 

Nor me. The only thing I can think of is that he is being rewarded for his loyalty and the fact he has stayed on, rather than go to Eqypt, to see the next few weeks through until the takeover is completed. Once he's sacked he'll be given a decent payoff.

 

I noted that Fry had to consult the previous board in order to appoint him manager, that included David Jones and I presume therefore Rupert Lowe, his good friend.

 

Can't see a new Swiss owner with an ounce of sense keeping him for his ability to unite the fanbase and for his footballing tactical acumen.

[St. Jason]

Here we go again - more mindless criticism of the people who are running the club we all love. It was just this sort of thing that encouraged Michael Wilde in his ill-fated attempt to take over the club back in 2005. If Mark Wotte is confirmed as manager by the new owners he deserves to have the full support of every fan, both on and off the ground.

As for this theme that 'Dutch' is used almost as a term of abuse - Dutch didn't do Chelsea much harm and some of the most respected players and coaches are Dutch, so why not give it a rest.

 

Surely if you go to tesco and they have no fruit and veg you'd criticise said store???

 

My point being is, me personally, and that is the only person i can speak for, is not a fan of Wotte. I feel he speaks when he should stay quite, he slagged of the fans and supported lowe, yesterday on Solent he slagged of Pinnacle and accused them of "merely seeking attention". This may or may not be true, but I would rather him stay quite and concentrate on football.

 

And there is my real problem with Wotte, on the eve of a massive game he proclaims Smith as "world class" yes the same world class player released by league 1 Millwall. He continued to play right footed players on the left and left footed players on the right.

 

He went to the Echo saying how ****ed of the players were for not being paid, how angry they were and there was unrest. Poor players, bless, wonder how ****ed off they were after relegation. What a joke these players are, they under performed all season, if my employee's had underachieved like said players they'd of been moved on!

 

Please note: I know I sound like a skate, but honestly I am a Saint, my back is inked and I've been a season ticket holder for 20 years, I just don't think Wotte is the man, he was part of 'Lowe's dutch revolution' and, in my own opinion, Wotte failed alongside Lowe, Wilde and Jan. Don't forget poor old Jan had to work with less tools than Wotte, Wotte was afforded Saga, Euell and Rudi and still couldn't keep us up!

[SaintRobbie]

Thank god Jason's posting again. You're no skate mate. You're absolutely right and the sort of badly needed ambition and fight this club needs.

[St. Jason]

Thank god Jason's posting again. You're no skate mate. You're absolutely right and the sort of badly needed ambition and fight this club needs.

 

+ 1

 

Here here

 

Well said that man

 

:-)

 

I'm off up the pub with ego nicley massaged :-)

 

Seriously though, I just don't think Wotte 'desreves' to be manager because he hasn't left the club yet. Feel people need to realsie he's under contract, if he left he'd loose any money owed to him. Not forgetting its only Wotte saying he's 'been offered' work abroad. Not saying he's a liar but, what sort of club with ambition would bee seeking his signature???

 

Up the Saints

[Window Cleaner]

However I have not yet seen evidence that he is tactically good enough to get the best out of our current players in any league, .

 

 

Have you never thought that perhaps there isn't anything better to be got out of the players we put onto the field yesterday? Perhaps it's them that are insufficient and one dimensional. I am bitterly dissapointed that Rasiak is still hanging about here,what good will that do? We need to get the situation sorted one way or the other and get James and Fish back onto the field along with Schneiderlin and McLaggon because what we put out yesterday is either too old,too young or just not good enough.

[NickG]

in the pink;

MLT told him they wanted to replace him with high profile manager, Wotte said if you get likes of Keegan or WGS he didn't mind but he could do a better job than just another average manager,MLT said if he couldn't get likes of those two then he would want Wotte.

Wotte said if you get those it will be good for the club and he didn't mind. , MLT told him would only replace him for one of these very good managers. If not the job was his.

Wotte was happy to stay loyal with this - knowing he maybe replaced.

Then Fialke did a live tv interview saying Wotte was definately going.

This is when Wotte accepted offer from Egypt.

When Pinnacle collapsed he withdrew, hoping to stay.

 

still badly worded but makes a little more sense than my first attempt to type while talking on phone!

[St. Jason]

still badly worded but makes a little more sense than my first attempt to type while talking on phone!

 

Surely an honourable man would not go back on his word????

 

I know I'm starting to sound pretty monotonous but, Wotte just doesn't excite me, doesn't fill me enthusiasm! I'll support Saints and re-new my season ticket, but keeping the status quo is not going to set the city on fire and put bum's on seats!

[eesti matty]

Wotte has done us good service throughout this turmoil which I fear could still go on for weeks. However I have not yet seen evidence that he is tactically good enough to get the best out of our current players in any league, and the Eastleigh match does not dissuade me otherwise. Having said that he did bring in Size last season which was a very good signing, and I would hope that with new owners we would be able to get Size back.

 

But we need to appoint a manager with better tactical nous and the strength and personality to drive us forward. This means the new guy needs to choose and build his own squad soon, and not be saddled with another coach's left-overs. So a new manager really is a matter of urgency as soon as a new buyer has arrived.

 

I thought that Saeijs was signed by Poortvliet, but I am not sure how much of an input Wotte had in this particular deal.

[eelpie]

Have you never thought that perhaps there isn't anything better to be got out of the players we put onto the field yesterday? Perhaps it's them that are insufficient and one dimensional. I am bitterly dissapointed that Rasiak is still hanging about here,what good will that do? We need to get the situation sorted one way or the other and get James and Fish back onto the field along with Schneiderlin and McLaggon because what we put out yesterday is either too old,too young or just not good enough.

 

I know it's the first match since they returned, but reports do not fill me with enthusiasm. Some managers can inspire. Others can't do this so well. I'm just a little fed up with years of underperforming players and tactical muddles by a succession of coaches. We'll never turn things around if we don't appoint a manager who can get the best out of players.

[yarb101]

Wotte just doesn't excite me, doesn't fill me enthusiasm!/QUOTE]

 

I feel exactly the same. A nice guy doesn't make a good manager

[NickG]

I thought that Saeijs was signed by Poortvliet, but I am not sure how much of an input Wotte had in this particular deal.

 

It was through Wotte - think Saeijs was linked to Wotte's sons team or something??? Can't remember but it was said early on he came due to his Wotte links

[Mr Nice]

Wotte thinks he's better than he actually is and management record shows.

[VectisSaint]

What right has anyone at SFC got to award a manager's contract at this time? Surely only Fry can do this? But why would Fry wish to create a contract that a new owner might wish to tear up, involving expensive compensation? It doesn't make sense to me.

The Football Club is still operating, so if there is not a manager someone has to make a decision to emply one, even if it is only on a week by week basis. The SFC Board will have decided this (with permissions from Fry). The SFC Board is the guy whose daughter is in EastEnders (whatever that is) and Dave Jones (and maybe others). The Contract won't be an issue is new owners don't like it, they will just tear it up and pay compensation, as always happens.

[ottery st mary]

There is no doubt in my mind Mr Wotte is not up to running this football side...Thanks for hanging around and helping out.....calculated gamble on his part...Was the Egyptian job ever really offered? We need a real football coach in now/Monday before it is too late.....Mirror image of last year..Under trained and lacking in the basic knowledge of football in these leagues...Sorry he is probably a nice guy but not good enough for the job in hand......He, with the help of JP and the direction of The Director of Football (did not mention him by name...some get irritated..bless..) caused this demise on the playing field and should not still be here..It is a farce and will continue to be so....

 

Proper football required and watch everything change at the training ground and on the pitch on match days...He is waiting for his compensation package..Good luck to him .. But farewell Mark Wotte.

[huggleman]

To be quite honest I'm not sure if I want Wotte to stay after the "Egypt U Turn"

 

He obviously aint got his heart completely at Saints to have booked the flight to Egypt in the 1st place, he knows what to say most of the time but saying he had the flight booked and was going to get on it 'till Pinnacle backed out is as close to 2 fingers as he could give us. Who cares who is running the club as long as the club is still around come 8th Aug!!!

 

Wotte needs to leave sooner rather than later personally and I can't wait till the day he does, get an experienced manager in who knows the league and knows the English way of playing, fancy cr@p aint gonna work in this division so with the Dutch way of playing we are staring down the barrel of relegation again.

[Bakovnetski]

There is no doubt in my mind Mr Wotte is not up to running this football side...Thanks for hanging around and helping out.....calculated gamble on his part...Was the Egyptian job ever really offered? We need a real football coach in now/Monday before it is too late.....Mirror image of last year..Under trained and lacking in the basic knowledge of football in these leagues...Sorry he is probably a nice guy but not good enough for the job in hand......He, with the help of JP and the direction of The Director of Football (did not mention him by name...some get irritated..bless..) caused this demise on the playing field and should not still be here..It is a farce and will continue to be so....

 

Proper football required and watch everything change at the training ground and on the pitch on match days...He is waiting for his compensation package..Good luck to him .. But farewell Mark Wotte.

 

Nail on head OSM. Now he has the new manager's contract he will be eligible for comp and couldn't give a stuff what happens. He is in a no lose situation. Unfortunately Saints are not!