Noodles34 Posted 1 July, 2009 Share Posted 1 July, 2009 I too think that Wotte has conducted himself very well, doesn't neccessarily make you a great manager but makes you a great man. Even in the darkest epilogues of our away days last season the man alwways stood up and came to the away fans, good memories of him at Forest too, he is, without doubt a decent and honourable man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 1 July, 2009 Share Posted 1 July, 2009 Anyone any idea what happened to Dean Gorre (sp)? Never mentioned these days, has he legged it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brussels Saint Posted 1 July, 2009 Share Posted 1 July, 2009 It's great to see actually that the vast majority of people posting on here and those commenting on the Echo's site are recognizing the decency Wotte has displayed these last months. Whatever people think about his managerial abilities, he has demonstrated a loyalty to the club we love that is commendable. I suspect opinions of him amoungst the fanbase have risen considerably at least as a man if not a manager. Why not let him have a season...........he deserves it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick1976.4.38 Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 total respect for wotte,could have just walked.he has shown his belief and even a bit of love for this great club..he does deserve the chance to get us back to the ccc,if we survive.coyr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 Least of our worries right now in my opinion.. Prepare them well Marc as a tough season awaits us. Is that aimed at Jackson or Wotte? x hamster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 Wotte has acted with great dignity diring this whole debacke and has done his best for SFC. Whether he stays as manager permanetly is for others to decided, but I do hope they can find a place for him at the club. He has been the only thing we can be proud of so far this summer. The bloke has a spine and has loyalty. Fair play to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 So if we want to get rid of Wotte now, we have to pay him a years contract!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 Hope we have a team and that he does the business, nows the time to get together! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Engine Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 This all smacks of clutching at straws to me. I agree that Wotte is a top bloke for sticking with us during all the cr[ap of the last few months. However, many of our performances under his charge were truly woeful in terms of tactics and commitment. Can't see his appointment lasting beyond the first ten games of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 This is my concern too - no desire and poor tactics! I still can't get his rantings about the protests - not proper fans? His loyalty is probably due to the fact he hasn't had any other offers - maybe a bit unfair but wouldn't you be looking for another job under the circumstances? It's not as if he's a Southampton fan and would do it for nothing (he had to renegotiate a contract)! Any Manager is better than no Manager - I guess, sorry Mark if this sounds a bit negative but you had your chance and you blew it last season. All this talk about giving people a chance is fine - we gave big Lawrie another go after relegation, but he had charisma and had to sort things out in the dressing room... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 Fair play to the bloke. I don't actually think Wotte is quite as terrible as some people think. I think we would have probably done a lot better had he been in charge for the whole of last season. He definitely wouldn't be my first choice to be in charge next season, but I think there are worse people out there (Including some that always get talked about on here). Wotte's average points per game (and that includes the disastrous period after we went into Admin) was better than Poortvliet, but it was also better than Nigel Pearson (who didn't do anywhere near as well as his reputation would suggest). If Wotte had been in charge for the whole season and maintained his record then we would have had enough points to stay up. Administration would have destroyed that, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulip Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 i pray its not for 12 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashby Saint Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 Well I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt for the coming season. He will still face considerably adversity with a heavily disrupted preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 Said it earlier but goodness me there are some posts on here that remind me of those who said similar things about Lowe last summer when he came back. We deserve better. Keep Wotte on for a couple of weeks until the new owners bed in, OK. But keep him for the year with minus 10 and a depleted squad who as Surman said yesterday on SSN are already seeing the best players leaving 'negative' Southampton and we will relegate to League 2. We're already going down. But feel free to cement that certainty with Wotte in charge. Its not about being a nice man or being dignified. Its about being a tough League 1 manager who can motivate an already depleted and negative squad. The undeniable evidence from Wotte last season is he doesnt have a cat in hells chance of motivating the squad, didnt understand the CCC and certainly wont know League 1. When MLT and the Pinnacle bid fell apart we lost any chance we had of a playoff place inspired by optimism and confidence plus a few players. We now have Lowe's man and kids. We are going down to League 2 unless the new owners act quickly. If we'd kept Lowe we'd be in the same position as we are now. Heading for League 2. So why keep Lowe's man? Please for the sake of this club - stop rolling over like we did last summer. Please insist on a new tough manager. At least lets try and survive in League 1 this year! Right now, with Wotte and kids... we are down before we start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 Wotte has shown great dignity and should be applauded for his loyalty...especially when you had Pinnacle/MLT talking about how he would be replaced (mega unprofessional and counter productive). Saint Robbie - thank you. You continue to make me laugh out loud in these difficult times. Good stuff. Not really a laughing matter though when you are prepared to hand over a club to a man who has a proven record of relegation in the FL AND elsewhere. A man who did as much to put us down last season as anyone. Its a joke frankly. I just pray the new owners have an ounce of sense and sack him immediately. If not... they'll see the value of their dwindling asset fall further in League 2. Thank god some fans are starting to speak out at last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 Surely we need someone to provide some continuity? Who is better placed to do that? The next manager. Continuity after only 6 very unsuccessful months in charge with Wotte? Thats not continuity. The next manager. Lets give him 6 years, but not Wotte... please no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 (edited) http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=13536&highlight=wotte 4%. Edited 2 July, 2009 by SaintRobbie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 So if we want to get rid of Wotte now, we have to pay him a years contract!! Perhaps The Echo does. Who can give anyone a contract until someone owns the club? Fry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 Perhaps The Echo does. Who can give anyone a contract until someone owns the club? Fry? Yes with the sanction of the current members of the board that still includes David Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 Perhaps The Echo does. Who can give anyone a contract until someone owns the club? Fry? Amendment to his current contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 The next manager. Continuity after only 6 very unsuccessful months in charge with Wotte? Thats not continuity. The next manager. Lets give him 6 years, but not Wotte... please no. 100% agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 Dignity and Loyalty are not good reasons to appoint someone. However we are where we are right now and until things change we have little choice but to support the decision. The new owners, whoever they are and whenever they come in, may well have different ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handyman Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 Good on him. He has carried himself with great dignity throughout this debacle. Fair play to him. The team needs guidance and he's all we have. He could've walked, but he hasn't. Totally agree with the above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 The next manager. Continuity after only 6 very unsuccessful months in charge with Wotte? Thats not continuity. The next manager. Lets give him 6 years, but not Wotte... please no. 6 years..like we ssaid we would do withy burley regardless.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 The next manager. Continuity after only 6 very unsuccessful months in charge with Wotte? Thats not continuity. The next manager. Lets give him 6 years, but not Wotte... please no. Not sure why you feel the need to continually spam this forum with the same message. Surely your time & effort would be better spent walking up and down West Quay with a sandwich board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 6 years..like we ssaid we would do withy burley regardless.. You mean the best manager statically Saints have had for years and years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 You mean the best manager statically Saints have had for years and years? oh my god... if that is judged as success then we deserve league 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 Not sure why you feel the need to continually spam this forum with the same message. Surely your time & effort would be better spent walking up and down West Quay with a sandwich board? LOL! You're right. Just find it so frustrating Gordon that the previous board think they can appoint people on year long contracts who frankly aren't wanted. Only loyalty being shown may be from Jones and Lowe in giving their friend Wotte a nice handshake from the new board when they sack him. Also, why has Wotte not taken up the long list of other 'interested' teams that have offered him a job apprently? Loyalty? Really? Methinks its because no other team HAS offered him a job. Anyway running on silent now, you're right, said enough on behalf of the silent majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 oh my god... if that is judged as success then we deserve league 1 We are League 1 ol' friend, did you mean League 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 We are League 1 ol' friend, did you mean League 2? infact...to even suggest burley was one of our best managers stinks pf utter complete non-ambition.. we deserve everything the football league can throw at us for that reason alone when talking about burley, it is farking ridiculous when people claim he was great...they do this WITHOUT objectivity of the whole position we are in....they dont do this as they cant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 i meant....the position we WERE in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 I've had enough of watching Wotte's bloody narrow diamond underachieving. If he doesn't change that, I'm afraid we are just wasting another season of being pulled apart down the flanks and not many goals. All the best managers/teams no matter what level they play in rely on width. A Dutch coach with a pretty unimpressive club management career thinks he knows best. Despite him hanging on I don't want him as manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 infact...to even suggest burley was one of our best managers stinks pf utter complete non-ambition.. we deserve everything the football league can throw at us for that reason alone when talking about burley, it is farking ridiculous when people claim he was great...they do this WITHOUT objectivity of the whole position we are in....they dont do this as they cant I agree 100%. He was not good in the end. What's more he'd have needed 6 years of funding to achieve anything, whereas many other managers WHO ARE CURRENTLY AVAILABLE wouldnt. Better than Wotte, but not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 I've had enough of watching Wotte's bloody narrow diamond underachieving. If he doesn't change that, I'm afraid we are just wasting another season of being pulled apart down the flanks and not many goals. All the best managers/teams no matter what level they play in rely on width. A Dutch coach with a pretty unimpressive club management career thinks he knows best. Despite him hanging on I don't want him as manager. On the basis that he didn't play the diamond formation for the last 5/6 (maybe more) games last year, I fear you don't have a clue what you are on about. Also, the best teams don't always rely on width. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 I've had enough of watching Wotte's bloody narrow diamond underachieving. If he doesn't change that, I'm afraid we are just wasting another season of being pulled apart down the flanks and not many goals. All the best managers/teams no matter what level they play in rely on width. A Dutch coach with a pretty unimpressive club management career thinks he knows best. Despite him hanging on I don't want him as manager. That's simply not true. The best side in the world (Barcelona) play mainly through the middle. They hardly rely just on width (and neither do a lot of other good sides) There isn't one right way to play football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 On the basis that he didn't play the diamond formation for the last 5/6 (maybe more) games last year, I fear you don't have a clue what you are on about. Also, the best teams don't always rely on width. Yeah your right...Giggs, Ronaldo, Beckham, Joe Cole, Robben, Ribery, Henry, Pires all play(ed) for bottom league clubs don't they....d'oh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 Yeah your right...Giggs, Ronaldo, Beckham, Joe Cole, Robben, Ribery, Henry, Pires all play(ed) for bottom league clubs don't they....d'oh! I would feel somewhat uncomfortable and rather stupid when trying to justify my point about the current saints team with the names you have provided.. that's just me though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 I would feel somewhat uncomfortable and rather stupid when trying to justify my point about the current saints team with the names you have provided.. that's just me though.. Well as usual you typically miss the point or choose to ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 That's simply not true. The best side in the world (Barcelona) play mainly through the middle. They hardly rely just on width (and neither do a lot of other good sides) There isn't one right way to play football. Exactly right Papa BUT we didnt have any width at all in many of the games we had...mainly because AL prefers to drift inside. McG just sulked at asked to play there. At Blackpool we had a shocking performance from Morgan wide right and he was played there a couple of other times. We have very little options as it is...we lost McLaggon, Dyer was one of the only other actual wingers we had yet was out on loan. Jake was not ready for the jump IMO. Just to make it easier for DD to understand...no-one is expecting us to go and get absolute quality players to play for us but we can get in pacey wide wingers to help us out. Wotton, Gillett are not ball playing creative midfielders so we need to have outlets and width and a pattern to our play that was missing for most of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 You don't need to have width to succeed. It is just the typical British backward and stubborn attitude to insist that there is only one way to play football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgoose Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 Wotte has acted with dignity and some loyalty it seems, but I do also think we need a really new start and clean break with the past....if we survive going under that is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 Wotte's average points per game (and that includes the disastrous period after we went into Admin)....... was also better than Nigel Pearson.. No it wasn't. Wotte got 19 points from 18 games = 1.06 points per game Pearson either got 16 points from 13 games = 1.23 points per game (or 16 points from 14 games, depending on lymouth away = 1.14 PPG) If Wotte had been in charge for the whole season and maintained his record then we would have had enough points to stay up. No it wouldn't. Wotte's PPG would have equated to 48-49 points over a season which would have seen us relegated. HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 Every team whatever the level to be successful whatever the formation uses the full width of the pitch. Barcelona have both their best players out wide for a lot of the game, they also move into the middle. The last 6 games were dire and incredibly narrow, against Burnley after being on top we were pulled apart down the flanks. Most of the season we had no width which left James picking up 2/3 players down his side with the centre backs being pulled out leaving the blindside open. We leaked a high percentage of our goals that way from both sides. Because of the lack of attacking width we were poor in attack, as the defence was allowed to compact, forced us to play in front of it and blocked virtually everything we threw at it. We hardly ever got to the byeline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 You don't need to have width to succeed. It is just the typical British backward and stubborn attitude to insist that there is only one way to play football. You are spouting absolute rubbish, no coaching manual ever written suggests that width is not necessary. I presume you have formal football qualifications to talk with such authority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestSaint Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 The football last season was pretty dire - Derry is right about the diamond formation and the lack of decent crosses into the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 The football last season was pretty dire - Derry is right about the diamond formation and the lack of decent crosses into the box. Interestingly two of the championship teams that used the width best, Wolves and Burnley are now in the Premier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 Interestingly two of the championship teams that used the width best, Wolves and Burnley are now in the Premier. Trouble is, even when we did have width and put decent crosses into the box, there was no fncker there to get on the end of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 Trouble is, even when we did have width and put decent crosses into the box, there was no fncker there to get on the end of them. Which is exactly why we didn't play with wingers much imo - we didnt have the fast strong strikers to make it work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 Which is exactly why we didn't play with wingers much imo - we didnt have the fast strong strikers to make it work. Skacel was a superb winger for Burley at Hearts. Struggling to think of anyone for the right though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat from Poole Posted 2 July, 2009 Share Posted 2 July, 2009 This is my concern too - no desire and poor tactics! I still can't get his rantings about the protests - not proper fans? His loyalty is probably due to the fact he hasn't had any other offers - maybe a bit unfair but wouldn't you be looking for another job under the circumstances? It's not as if he's a Southampton fan and would do it for nothing (he had to renegotiate a contract)! Any Manager is better than no Manager - I guess, sorry Mark if this sounds a bit negative but you had your chance and you blew it last season. All this talk about giving people a chance is fine - we gave big Lawrie another go after relegation, but he had charisma and had to sort things out in the dressing room... Completely agree. We should get rid of all the Dutch set-up. We are destined for a second successive relegation otherwise. Totally underwhelmed after all the hope of the last fortnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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