Lynam statement

[VectisSaint]

No evidence that they did, what-so-ever;

 

apart from succesfully completing due-dilligence and convincing the administrator that there were funds in place.

 

Which, when you put it like that, is quite convincing. It's one of Rumsfield's 'unknowable unknowns' now, I reckon.

This is the issue for me, everyone is throwing insults at TL now, but I simply do not believe that Fry did not have convincing evidence of funds at the time Pinnacle entered into exclusivity. What I can believe is that the backer or backers whoever they are or were have refused to move forward. Why they have done that is a mystery, but there is at least a chance that it is related to the abuse that is being thrown at them. While I agree that abuse on a message board should not have caused this, the issue is with the Press, and once this stuff starts getting printed in tabloids/ Echo etc then it can be very very damaging. It is a very sad state of affairs that these days it is the gutter press who do no investigation themselves but DO read message boards and the like and hence the venom and lies and half-truths on such boards ends up in the broader spectrum of the press. To read some of the comments on the Echo site, and to an extent on here almost makes me embarrassed to be a Saints supporter. Some people need to realise that we are not playing some game here, this is the real world of people jobs and years of football supporting that is basically being killed off.

 

I'm sure some of you will not agree, but thats what opinions are about.

[cleaver]

So, its all gone t*ts up.so why dont every one that is ITK post what theyve been told , and by whom, because every time things collapse you all go very very quiet, yet you all claim to love saints. us mere mortals are strung along by your little snippets leaked by an insider , bruv of turnstile operator, or whatever.!! Who were the moneymen behind Fialka, come on its not that hard to tell the truth is it? No NDA's around anymore to stop you all spouting. Just tell us all what you know ffs, cos lets face it you ITK minority got the hopes up of every saints fan that reads this forum. and the echo .just do it. for the health of all good and true non point scoring saints fans. you know who you are..

[Channon's Sideburns]

Oh dear...

 

The sheer fact that MLT sent out his own statement first, and not a joint one tells its own story.

 

TL used this forum then rounds on it to try and lay blame - so Guided Missile was right or wrong then Tony?

 

Do you know if Fialka had the cash to proceed? Does anyone?

 

Sorry but if he was put off by The Echo then to be honest it wasn't for him anyway. The Echo are extremely tame towards Saints...lets face it we were castigating them for not being tougher on Lowe last season.

 

Now they print information that is available in the public domain (Companies House and Electoral Roll) and it's not in their readers interests?

 

I believe you started out with best intentions, but so did Mike Wilde.

 

Tony if you read this, look after your clients in your other businesses and move on.

[beatlesaint]

some of the responses on this thread alone are probably 1 of the reasons why they and others have pulled out! Comments made by people who know fook all about what has gone on, who was involved etc etc. I sincerely hope that whoever (if anyone) takes us on they dont read the tripe that is often posted on here and other such like forums. TL speak of abuse being aimed at Fialka personally..i hope, whoever you are, you are happy and can sleep at night! Tossers.

 

I think in fairness, although I too have been alarmed at some of the abuse dished out on this forum, a lot of this is an excuse. Do you really believe a businessman who saw this as a long term investment to return the club to past glories would walk away cos of a bit of name calling etc by people hiding behind an IP address who had no knowledge of any facts surrounding them ?

 

Christ, what would they have done if we had lost every game up to the end of November and there were demos outside St Marys after a game ???

 

They kept on about their longterm plan....Premier league in 5 years.....yet we are now to believe that a short term problem, possibly a further deduction of points, has ended that plan ? On come on, no, no, no !

[John B]

I think in fairness, although I too have been alarmed at some of the abuse dished out on this forum, a lot of this is an excuse. Do you really believe a businessman who saw this as a long term investment to return the club to past glories would walk away cos of a bit of name calling etc by people hiding behind an IP address who had no knowledge of any facts surrounding them ?

 

Christ, what would they have done if we had lost every game up to the end of November and there were demos outside St Marys after a game ???

 

They kept on about their longterm plan....Premier league in 5 years.....yet we are now to believe that a short term problem, possibly a further deduction of points, has ended that plan ? On come on, no, no, no !

 

I dont think that Pinnacle ever had a realistic plan of getting SFC back to the Premiership.

 

 

Most thing written and said appeared a little amateurish and involving KK and MLT appeared populist.

 

 

But as there did not seem to be a viable alternative was accepted by most people .

 

 

Perhaps we should have been worried when it took such a long time for them to go into exclusivity.

[beatlesaint]

perhaps we should have been worried when it took such a long time for them to go into exclusivity.

 

I think you are right...but I am looking at it with hindsight now and of course that is always right.

[70's Mike]

I think in fairness, although I too have been alarmed at some of the abuse dished out on this forum, a lot of this is an excuse. Do you really believe a businessman who saw this as a long term investment to return the club to past glories would walk away cos of a bit of name calling etc by people hiding behind an IP address who had no knowledge of any facts surrounding them ?

 

Christ, what would they have done if we had lost every game up to the end of November and there were demos outside St Marys after a game ???

 

They kept on about their longterm plan....Premier league in 5 years.....yet we are now to believe that a short term problem, possibly a further deduction of points, has ended that plan ? On come on, no, no, no !

 

 

exactly

[saintsmike25]

And throwing a bunch of abuse at people really helps this situation. In some ways the people who didn't go to the matches because "THIS IS ****" and stayed away who are apparent loyal fans since we've been in the CCC are to blame, if we had a loyal fanbase this wouldn't have happened and now these stayaways as well as the likes of Rupert Lowe and Wilde have destroyed our club.

 

You can't throw abuse at those trying to save the club, the fact was the FL was going to impose FURTHER sanctions, so the backers said "**** this we're off" making Tony Lynham and co look like idiots, and unfortunately thats the way it is they saw this club as a good business aquisition if we didn't have the deductions unfortunately fighting the FL has cost us dear.

But instead of naming & blaming we just have to see what happens, i'll still support Southampton if we're in the blue square south or worse.

This club will never die.

[$$$]

I have been asked to sit on the e mail a little longer by someone who I respect and I will do that but afterwards I can re-post. Mind you the damage is now done - I think we all accept Pinnacle to be a sham so what I proove won't help SFC anymore.

 

That post/email confirmed what Ironsides claims here http://thepompeychimes.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=47540&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=30

 

The original Pumpkin group seem to have been David Defy, Alistair Dias, William Allen and Chris Lawrence. Unfortunately they all seem to have pulled out. Now they've dug up this other Fialka. But ask yourself this is he really the new great pumpkin or more like a courgette?

 

Correct?

[1976_Child]

if the club is wound up what - or who - exactly would use the stadium? As a stadium it has value but as a plot of land it has practically no value to a potentail buyer in a firesale auction as they would need to spend a few million bulldozing it before building again. There is value on the land, but my point is that Fry ain't going to get much for it unless some other large sporting team plans to use it for its intended purpose.

 

So... knowing that the Swiss could come a long and offer Fry a deal which he would be daft not to take, and the Mortgage company would also be daft not to take. I just can't imagine SMS being bulldozed. Doesn't make financial sense to me. So in the event of liquidation the only thing I could see it used for is Rugby. And are there any homeless premiership rugby clubs around about? No. So we are back to the original question, what will it be used for???

[Leicestersaint]

There are quite a few harsh people on here.

[ringwood]

look at the facts not the rumours you've all read on here

 

we need to know whether the FL terms are correct and proper and the only way I can see that going forward is to get the FL to release the terms on their website then its all in the open and the mudslinging can begin

[shurlock]

I dont think that Pinnacle ever had a realistic plan of getting SFC back to the Premiership.

 

 

Most thing written and said appeared a little amateurish and involving KK and MLT appeared populist.

 

 

But as there did not seem to be a viable alternative was accepted by most people .

 

 

Perhaps we should have been worried when it took such a long time for them to go into exclusivity.

 

Spot on- it took them ages to go into exclusivity, even though they had an open goal. People dropped out and TL recklessly took a punt that he could herd together a new group -from MF's credentials, anyone it would seem. In the meantime, god knows what he was telling the prospective moneymen - no doubt, the populist touch of MLT and KK helped. It was only a matter of time before the plans and promises came unstuck. Undercommit, overdeliver, TL. Anybody professional knows that.

[Badvoc]

That post/email confirmed what Ironsides claims here http://thepompeychimes.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=47540&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=30

 

 

 

Correct?

 

David Defty was definitely a name that I had heard about. All I know is he was a former FD of Guinness and had some connection to Tauntons College in Soton. Not sure what his position was but he was involved in the takeover in some respect.

[St Chalet]

some of the responses on this thread alone are probably 1 of the reasons why they and others have pulled out! Comments made by people who know fook all about what has gone on, who was involved etc etc. I sincerely hope that whoever (if anyone) takes us on they dont read the tripe that is often posted on here and other such like forums. TL speak of abuse being aimed at Fialka personally..i hope, whoever you are, you are happy and can sleep at night! Tossers.

 

Mike, Sorry to break this to you - but Father Christmas isn't real. Clearly if you believe what you posted above then there is a chance I may have broken your heart for a second time today.

[docker-p]

Lynam is a fraud and he sucked a naive MLT in.

He had no backers.

Lynam = Jackson.

My thoughts exactly. I only hope the new potential buyers, if there are any, don't start posting chummy messages on here.

Lynam seems to have been just another fanatsist.

:snipe:

[saintbletch]

No it didn't - I was trying to flush Lynam out and it worked inasmuch he rang me and told me he was calling the police blah blah blah. However if the email he sent Fry at the end of April appears to be non genuine then a whole new can of worms opens for Lynam.

 

I have been asked to sit on the e mail a little longer by someone who I respect and I will do that but afterwards I can re-post. Mind you the damage is now done - I think we all accept Pinnacle to be a sham so what I proove won't help SFC anymore.

 

I see what you're getting at.

 

So, not wanting to reveal anything embarrassing here but from memory the key substance from your post was to show that Tony Lynam had named the team of 4 who would be backing the bid in a communication to Fry.

 

So for you to make the assertion that Tony Lynam is a fraud and that he had no backers, you presumably must feel that those 4 people were either not involved or had never formally agreed to fund the acquisition?

 

Tell me to back off if I'm going too far.

[ulstersaint]

My thoughts exactly. I only hope the new potential buyers, if there are any, don't start posting chummy messages on here.

Lynam seems to have been just another fanatsist.

:snipe:

 

Seems that:

1. Pinnacle got Crouch to put up the £500k for exclusivity, probably for a place on board.

2. Pinnacle got Matt involved to attract money men but that failed.

3. Matt got sucked in with the promise of being chairman but failed to do his due diligence on Lynam and co.

4. Fry backed the wrong group for exclusivity period.

5. Fry pressed for a money man to go public last week (Fialko - joke!) to put pressure on Pinnacle to put up or shut up.

5. Wasted weeks of exclusivity for Pinnacle have left us in dire straits.

6. Only hope is Fry has been working with the Swiss group since exclusivity expired.

[A Nut Can Cut You]

some of the responses on this thread alone are probably 1 of the reasons why they and others have pulled out!

 

 

Just the idea that you might be serious made me laugh out loud. Thank you.

[Fan The Flames]

Lets be fair, there was a hugh amount of support on here for Pinnacle which slowly diminished as the cracks began to show. We, The Echo or the Mail can not be blamed for the failure of the Pinnacle bid.

[gonzo]

Seems that:

1. Pinnacle got Crouch to put up the £500k for exclusivity, probably for a place on board.

2. Pinnacle got Matt involved to attract money men but that failed.

3. Matt got sucked in with the promise of being chairman but failed to do his due diligence on Lynam and co.

4. Fry backed the wrong group for exclusivity period.

5. Fry pressed for a money man to go public last week (Fialko - joke!) to put pressure on Pinnacle to put up or shut up.

5. Wasted weeks of exclusivity for Pinnacle have left us in dire straits.

6. Only hope is Fry has been working with the Swiss group since exclusivity expired.

 

Hammer. Nail. Head.

 

IMHO.

[hackedoff]

If it,s now all over Tony then you will have no reason not to tell us the reasons why the bid failed. If the FL have been sh1ts then spill the beans after all nothing to lose now is there !

[Bearsy]

I quite fancy a go at this myself, do you think Crouch is willing to pay for another exclusivity period? If my bid is successful he can be manager.

[David Strover]

I can't believe I've read on this thread that some people don't want the team called Southampton Red Bulls. You know a multi billion pound organisation with a track record in owning successful teams wants to buy us but NO the can **** off 'cause they want to change the club name and badge.

 

To quote Garth and Wayne "Are you mental?"

 

As far as I am concerned if they save this club from going out of business by Friday they can call us Southampton ****-Knockers if they want.

 

Which with our recent record on and off the pitch would be appropriate.

[Whitey Grandad]

If you were a multi-national, world-famous brand would you want it associated with a load of failures like us?

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Seems that:

1. Pinnacle got Crouch to put up the £500k for exclusivity, probably for a place on board.

2. Pinnacle got Matt involved to attract money men but that failed.

3. Matt got sucked in with the promise of being chairman but failed to do his due diligence on Lynam and co.

4. Fry backed the wrong group for exclusivity period.

5. Fry pressed for a money man to go public last week (Fialko - joke!) to put pressure on Pinnacle to put up or shut up.

5. Wasted weeks of exclusivity for Pinnacle have left us in dire straits.

6. Only hope is Fry has been working with the Swiss group since exclusivity expired.

 

 

Getting warm

[Yeti]

i was told the following tonight by a friend in London. Make of it what you want, especially the bit about the stadium...

 

To be honest, Saints had a lucky escape there. The...er..."prospective new owner" is just a kid from round our way, on the blag. No proper dough, still lives with his mum and dad. He was trying to pull a fast one and sell the ground on. Last time I saw him he was trying (and failing) to buy a book shop near Brent Cross

[Stu Man Do]

For a bloke who seemed more than happy to spend his "valuable" time on the forum telling us how close we were to a deal and how absolutely certain they were of a take over TL seems to be rather quite. Personally I'd like to hear from TL with the real reasons they thought they couldn't proceed with a deal. Tony the floors open to you.

[Bourno]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4451026.Pinnacle_fighting_for_right_of_appeal_against_points_deduction_in_Saints__takeover/

 

someone posted a comment on the echo website naming Dias on 22 June.

[Steeleye Saint]

some of the responses on this thread alone are probably 1 of the reasons why they and others have pulled out! Comments made by people who know fook all about what has gone on, who was involved etc etc. I sincerely hope that whoever (if anyone) takes us on they dont read the tripe that is often posted on here and other such like forums. TL speak of abuse being aimed at Fialka personally..i hope, whoever you are, you are happy and can sleep at night! Tossers.

 

Well said Mike! I can't believe that the so called fans on this forum immediately resort to name calling and abuse when they don't know the first thing about how negotiations went, what the FL were asking for and how much money the Pinnacle backers have. I know you're all as frustrated as I am but this abuse is just unwarranted. I for one prefer to believe MLT when he said today that it was the terms the FL set out that proved to be the deciding factor in Pinnacle's backers pulling out. So if you're going to blame anyone blame the FL!!

I'm waiting to hear what those terms were - should be interesting when it all comes out.

[doggface]

interesting... It appears my post last week naming the so called original 4 has been mysteriously 'edited' like duncan's no holds barred version a little later. Good to see censorship is alive & well over on tsf.

 

For now I will let ff spill it again when he feels the time is right, that said who really gives a **** anyway we might not have a club left.

 

Bastards.

[L1Minus10]

As soon as Fialka stuck his oar in, it was obvious this was going to happen. I bet Fry knew it too. I wouldn't be suprised if Fialka was 'hired' to be the money man to buy a bit more time but he obviously hasn't got a pot to **** in. My company turns over more than his and I'm ****ing skint!!!

 

Onwards...

[Bourno]

arghhhhhhhh

Edited 30 June, 2009 by Bourno
frustrated

[saintbletch]

interesting... It appears my post last week naming the so called original 4 has been mysteriously 'edited' like duncan's no holds barred version a little later. Good to see censorship is alive & well over on tsf.

 

For now I will let ff spill it again when he feels the time is right, that said who really gives a **** anyway we might not have a club left.

 

Bastards.

 

I noticed the same thing. If memory serves your naming of the 4 preceded FF's and so I went searching for some of the names and they no longer exist on this forum.

 

Can I ask the mods what/who made them remove the offending posts/threads?

 

Anyway these names appear to be still in the public domain, in another place, ironically a Pompey fans' forum here.

[saintbletch]

Well said Mike! I can't believe that the so called fans on this forum immediately resort to name calling and abuse when they don't know the first thing about how negotiations went, what the FL were asking for and how much money the Pinnacle backers have. I know you're all as frustrated as I am but this abuse is just unwarranted. I for one prefer to believe MLT when he said today that it was the terms the FL set out that proved to be the deciding factor in Pinnacle's backers pulling out. So if you're going to blame anyone blame the FL!!

I'm waiting to hear what those terms were - should be interesting when it all comes out.

 

No offence Steeleye Saint and I'm sure you'll put my right if I've got the wrong end of the stick here but are you connected to Tony Lynam?

 

The wording of the post above together with your very defensive (of Pinnacle) posting history and the fact that I "think" Tony Lynam's business partner's family name was Steel(e) made me ask.

[Channon's Sideburns]

No offence Steeleye Saint and I'm sure you'll put my right if I've got the wrong end of the stick here but are you connected to Tony Lynam?

 

The wording of the post above together with your very defensive (of Pinnacle) posting history and the fact that I "think" Tony Lynam's business partner's family name was Steel(e) made me ask.

 

If it is...then they need to be aware of their other business interests...it's not making them look professional... Asset Management????

 

Bet their clients are asking themselves probing questions this evening.

[exit2]

Can I ask the mods what/who made them remove the offending posts/threads?

 

I removed FF's under his instruction.

[saintbletch]

I removed FF's under his instruction.

 

Thanks. So doggface's is still a mystery then.

[exit2]

Thanks. So doggface's is still a mystery then.

 

Nope sorry, only see you ask about FF, I did Dogs at the same time due to the same reason as FF. Have sent a PM to DF explaining why

[Morph]

may still have the intention of buying the club??

 

Great real Nick.

 

 

Kindest Regards

 

 

 

Morph

[saint_stevo]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4451026.Pinnacle_fighting_for_right_of_appeal_against_points_deduction_in_Saints__takeover/

 

someone posted a comment on the echo website naming Dias on 22 June.

 

I mentioned him a lot, and got shot down for it.

[exit2]

I mentioned him a lot, and got shot down for it.

 

A few people have knew his name and chose to keep it quiet due to the anominity required.

[saintbletch]

No offence Steeleye Saint and I'm sure you'll put my right if I've got the wrong end of the stick here but are you connected to Tony Lynam?

 

The wording of the post above together with your very defensive (of Pinnacle) posting history and the fact that I "think" Tony Lynam's business partner's family name was Steel(e) made me ask.

 

Steeleye Saint?

[NickG]

Great real Nick.

 

 

Kindest Regards

 

 

 

Morph

 

real - from Morph - lol!

 

I was quoting by the way not my opinion

[sotonjoe]

Another statement from Lynam with two missed apostrophes. Further shame on the Echo for just copying and pasting as opposed to proof reading.

 

We don't need this laissez-faire approach to grammar at St Marys. We already have a sign which reads "players entrance" so it's no wonder we're in this mess.

[saintbletch]

Another statement from Lynam with two missed apostrophes. Further shame on the Echo for just copying and pasting as opposed to proof reading.

 

We don't need this laissez-faire approach to grammar at St Marys. We already have a sign which reads "players entrance" so it's no wonder we're in this mess.

 

To be fair if the Echo changed a "statement" I'd be really worried. It's not their job unless they were interpreting the statement.

 

Oh and if we're on pedantry patrol....Should it not be St. Mary's? (full stop and apostrophe).

[Steeleye Saint]

Steeleye Saint?

No I'm not connected to TL - and with the quote from the league today it would appear that things aren't quite as I thought. Looks like MLT has been taken in, as we all have if what the league says is true and I can't imagine they can be seen to be lying. So it's about turn for me - but with no abuse.

 

If it's true that Pinnacle had other issues then they need to come out and tell us what they were.

Fingers crossed for the Swiss now.

[SaintRobbie]

Seems that:

1. Pinnacle got Crouch to put up the £500k for exclusivity, probably for a place on board.

2. Pinnacle got Matt involved to attract money men but that failed.

3. Matt got sucked in with the promise of being chairman but failed to do his due diligence on Lynam and co.

4. Fry backed the wrong group for exclusivity period.

5. Fry pressed for a money man to go public last week (Fialko - joke!) to put pressure on Pinnacle to put up or shut up.

5. Wasted weeks of exclusivity for Pinnacle have left us in dire straits.

6. Only hope is Fry has been working with the Swiss group since exclusivity expired.

 

Sounds close to me.

 

but would add...

 

7. Swiss consortium, as remaining bidder, now get even better deal than before if they play this to the wire. No good news until Friday.

[ulstersaint]

Sounds close to me.

 

but would add...

 

7. Swiss consortium, as remaining bidder, now get even better deal than before if they play this to the wire. No good news until Friday.

 

Let's hope and pray.

[buctootim]

We don't need this laissez-faire approach to grammar at St Marys. We already have a sign which reads "players entrance" so it's no wonder we're in this mess.

 

That's true. It should read 'Players Mildly Entertain on Occasion' there's been precious little bewitching