John B Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Oh yeh, lets start slagging off Crouch because Pinnacle have pulled out shall we. Unbelievable!! Have your thought that if Crouch's alleged involvement with Pinnacle had not taken place another Consortium could have taken us over. It is a possibilty but of course not definite. Pinnacle may have had the money to buy the club but did not do so because of the FL and the attitude of the fans and the Echo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 some of you have missed my point COMPLETELY... I thank leon for all what he has done... BUT..his poor judgement with regards to decision for SFC is very very poor.. SHOULD another group come in, I would feel more comfortable WITHOUT leon in decision making positions.. Lay down the shovel son and take your foot out of your mouth. You really are doing yourself no favours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 It's really no surprise that you and your friend Tim share a similar view on this. You have both been consistent in your anti-Crouch feelings and pro-(sorry forgot the guys name). Crouch may well be guilty of a lot of things but doing his level best to keep the Club afloat is not one of them. I don't see too many ex-Chairman sticking their hands in their pockets. Pinnacle have hood-winked him that's for sure but they've also done the same to numerous other people including Begbie Traynor who should have had the resources and skills to see through the sham. Im not anti - Crouch. Wilde bears most responsibility for the mess we are in. Crouch is clearly a genuine and passionate Saints fan who has put his hand in his pocket on a number of occasions - possibly up to £1m. That doesnt absolve him from keeping afloat a time wasting dreamers bid that should have been smothered at birth. He hasnt bought us a month, he has cost us a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Have your thought that if Crouch's alleged involvement with Pinnacle had not taken place another Consortium could have taken us over. It is a possibilty but of course not definite. my point . Crouch is clearly a genuine and passionate Saints fan who has put his hand in his pocket on a number of occasions - possibly up to £1m. That doesnt absolve him from keeping afloat a time wasting dreamers bid that should have been smothered at birth. He hasnt bought us a month, he has cost us a month. again, thanks.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Have your thought that if Crouch's alleged involvement with Pinnacle had not taken place another Consortium could have taken us over. It is a possibilty but of course not definite. Pinnacle may have had the money to buy the club but did not do so because of the FL and the attitude of the fans and the Echo I don't know what to believe now, but even if it is confirmed that Crouch was involved with Pinnacle I would not knock him for trying his damnedest to save this club along with MLT. As it is we do not even know if another buyer is seriously interested so the argument that Pinnacle held up another bid is not applicable until we know better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 I don't know what to believe now, but even if it is confirmed that Crouch was involved with Pinnacle I would not knock him for trying his damnedest to save this club along with MLT. As it is we do not even know if another buyer is seriously interested so the argument that Pinnacle held up another bid is not applicable until we know better. Exactly well put I dont think anyone is knocking him for that but some are questioning whether the things he is doing are in the long run the best for SFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-til-i-die Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Don't slate Crouch - that's disgraceful. He's put more money into this club than anyone else! Who appointed Nigel Pearson? I find these comments totally unfair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Don't slate Crouch - that's disgraceful. He's put more money into this club than anyone else! Who appointed Nigel Pearson? I find these comments totally unfair. Totally agree. He's been the only one in years willing to put in his own money without any guarantees. Respect to him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gammon cheeks Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Does this prove that he should NEVER be anywhere near power of our club again (should we have one).. he makes one bad call after another.. I appreciate all his good intentions and I really thank him for that but his errors of judgement over shadow too much his good ones.. he runs his mouth off too much he backed wilde he backed pinnacle he over saw huge spending beyond our means, or at least helped bring in the people that did. thanks leon for everything but please, should we have a club to support, I really hope it is with a full clean sweep LEON is a decent man , a saints man ,and what your saying above is utter ****e , everyone knows it, so fook off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Let's be honnest, there were a lot of well meaning people taken in by the Pinnacle bullsh*t. MLT who has nothing but Saints best interests at heart. Mark Fry, a proffesional administrator who knows more about the goings on at SFC than anyone. Most of the posters on here. Other than the "I told you so" brigade of financial experts on this site, who predicted doom and gloom from day one, nobody had reason not to trust pinnacle. I hold Crouch in high regard after the support he has given Saints in recent times, both financially and with trying to get involved in a takeover. I'd be happy if he was still on the board in some capacity, although not chairman. As for his judgement... he hates Lowe, doesn't trust Wilde and appointed Pearson. That'll do me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Let's be honnest, there were a lot of well meaning people taken in by the Pinnacle bullsh*t. MLT who has nothing but Saints best interests at heart. Mark Fry, a proffesional administrator who knows more about the goings on at SFC than anyone. Most of the posters on here. Other than the "I told you so" brigade of financial experts on this site, who predicted doom and gloom from day one, nobody had reason not to trust pinnacle. I hold Crouch in high regard after the support he has given Saints in recent times, both financially and with trying to get involved in a takeover. I'd be happy if he was still on the board in some capacity, although not chairman. As for his judgement... he hates Lowe, doesn't trust Wilde and appointed Pearson. That'll do me. +1 and he got a decent statue of Ted, who must be turning in his grave. I'm not yet convinced that TL is the bad guy some would like to believe either, try listening to MLT's interview on the Beeb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1Minus10 Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 So... the guy funds a statue because the fans are upset, removes Lowe the first time when the fans wanted him to, appoints a good manager who keps us up, pays the wages for a month on his own, funds a bid for the club that a majority suported at the time.... Yeah, what a bastard... Some of you really need to have a word with yourselves... You find me one bloke in the entire history of SFC who has put more of his own money in trying to make things better and in the main, doing what fans wanted... Also, the fact he's putting his money in gives him the right to make whatever decisions and back whatever horse he likes. Part of the territory of making decisions is that you get some wrong... We'd be ****ed already without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintpat Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 I feel sorry for Crouch, he is undoubtedly a massive fan of the club and only wants what he feels is best for the club. Unfortunately due to his love of the club his heart overcomes his head(as it does for most of us) when making judgements about the club. He cannot be criticised for his efforts in trying to help the club, he is probably the only director we have had in years who puts the club before personal interests. However I do believe that his passion also shows the very reason why it is difficult for any club to be run by a fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's There Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Leon Crouch is a man whom I have high regard for. He is successful in his own field, beyond any of us on here I would guess. He did, it would appear, try and cut costs in his short time as chairman prior to the return of RL. He did appoint Pearson who helped galvanise the players and, perhaps as importantly, began drawing the fans back into a united group. He does wear his heart on his sleeve, and probably calls a spade a spade, but I, for one, prefer that approach in this arena, than one of a "diplomat"/ slippery eel/liar. We all know LC has spent his own money, massive by my standards, to help the club. He's not perfect, nor am I, nor anyone else I know, but at least he has some integrity. I hope to meet the man one day and have a good honest discussion about Saints, argue about players etc and enjoy the debate. If he's not involved with any takeover, at least he can hold his head high and sit next to fellow supporters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 We don't know if Crouch was involved with Pinnacle yet and we don't know if there are any other consortium that have been delayed because of Pinnacle. We just don't know. I thank Crouch for all that he's done for SFC and for wanting to get involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fen Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Let's be honnest, there were a lot of well meaning people taken in by the Pinnacle bullsh*t. MLT who has nothing but Saints best interests at heart. Mark Fry, a proffesional administrator who knows more about the goings on at SFC than anyone. Most of the posters on here. Other than the "I told you so" brigade of financial experts on this site, who predicted doom and gloom from day one, nobody had reason not to trust pinnacle. I hold Crouch in high regard after the support he has given Saints in recent times, both financially and with trying to get involved in a takeover. I'd be happy if he was still on the board in some capacity, although not chairman. As for his judgement... he hates Lowe, doesn't trust Wilde and appointed Pearson. That'll do me. Got to say I'm not Crouch's biggest fan nut I think to criticise him after what he's done is very low. The backers of Pinnacle unfortunately used Crouch and Le Tissier, Le Tissier to gain support and Crouch for his money (if he made the deposit). Their Story like Wilde's changed a few times in statements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Leon Crouch is a man whom I have high regard for. He is successful in his own field' date=' beyond any of us on here I would guess. He did, it would appear, try and cut costs in his short time as chairman prior to the return of RL. He did appoint Pearson who helped galvanise the players and, perhaps as importantly, began drawing the fans back into a united group. He does wear his heart on his sleeve, and probably calls a spade a spade, but I, for one, prefer that approach in this arena, than one of a "diplomat"/ slippery eel/liar. We all know LC has spent his own money, massive by my standards, to help the club. He's not perfect, nor am I, nor anyone else I know, but at least he has some integrity. I hope to meet the man one day and have a good honest discussion about Saints, argue about players etc and enjoy the debate. If he's not involved with any takeover, at least he can hold his head high and sit next to fellow supporters![/quote'] this i agree with Although I stand by the gist of the point I was making I feel i was too harsh in my initial post..for that Mr Crouch. I apologise.. Thank you for helping us out.. a real fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 1 July, 2009 Share Posted 1 July, 2009 this i agree with Although I stand by the gist of the point I was making I feel i was too harsh in my initial post..for that Mr Crouch. I apologise.. Thank you for helping us out.. a real fan. Fair play to you TDD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 1 July, 2009 Share Posted 1 July, 2009 I have severe doubts about Mr Crouch's judgement call when it relates to Saints because he lets his heart overrule his head. There is no doubt, however, that he is a successful business man in his own field of expertise. He has lost a lot of money in Southampton Football Club and I for one will not kick him when he is down. I agree 100%. But a caste iron reason why "fans" are not the best people to run a football club. Thanks for all you have done for the club Leon but please stay away from the decision making processes in future! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 1 July, 2009 Share Posted 1 July, 2009 I agree 100%. But a caste iron reason why "fans" are not the best people to run a football club. Thanks for all you have done for the club Leon but please stay away from the decision making processes in future! I too agree fully with what you are saying as a fan it is virtually impossible to run a club successfully. Hindsight shows us as Chairman when he took over in Jan 2008 he should have sold players to reduce the debt but as a fan that would have been ridiculous as he believed the playoffs were a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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