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gonzo

gonzo

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Absolutely not. He only had a good start with Leeds because he was given an obscene amount of money to spend. They went into freefall as soon as the money dried up.

CB Fry

CB Fry

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Would probably get us promoted from L1 at a stroke, but really any one with an "aura" or a reputation could. You could call it "the Paul Ince rule".

 

But we couldn't afford him and I think he'd want to spend too much for us, especially once we'd got into the CCC.

 

So although he was successful at both clubs he's been at, its a no from me.

CWD

CWD

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Absolutely not. He only had a good start with Leeds because he was given an obscene amount of money to spend. They went into freefall as soon as the money dried up.

 

I understand what your saying about money, but he left Leeds when they were fifth in the PL, thats one very small freefall;)

Evo

Evo

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Timothy Leary would be an interesting choice. Although we could end up with all our players being banned for failing drug tests.

 

Michael O'Leary of Rynair "fame" would be an idea. Treats the workforce with contempt, refuses to allow union recognition and sacks anyone who tries to encourage membership. Makes staff pay for their own unifoms, lunch, interviews etc.

Glasgow_Saint

Glasgow_Saint

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Interesting that he talks about himself as a 3rd person in a few quotes.

 

"Dave O'Leary needs to be working. Dave O'Leary doesn't want to be playing golf."

 

On that basis alone, I say sign him up!

Papa Shango

Papa Shango

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Not sure why so many people are so down on O'Leary. He did reasonably well at Leeds and Villa. How can so many people rubbish O'Leary, and then put forward rubbish like Dowie and Shearer?

krissyboy31

krissyboy31

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did he...was it his money..?

 

I have to agree. He was only guilty of following Risdale's crazy strategy. You can't argue that he didn't sign good players and that he didn't very nearly carry it off. Not sure he's the man for us though.

Wes Tender

Wes Tender

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Timothy Leary would be an interesting choice. Although we could end up with all our players being banned for failing drug tests.

 

Timothy Leary's dead.

 

No,no,no,no, he's outside looking in.

Thedelldays

Thedelldays

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Not sure why so many people are so down on O'Leary. He did reasonably well at Leeds and Villa. How can so many people rubbish O'Leary, and then put forward rubbish like Dowie and Shearer?

that is the saints web forum for you

ribbo

ribbo

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Would probably get us promoted from L1 at a stroke, but really any one with an "aura" or a reputation could. You could call it "the Paul Ince rule".

 

But we couldn't afford him and I think he'd want to spend too much for us, especially once we'd got into the CCC.

 

So although he was successful at both clubs he's been at, its a no from me.

 

to be fair one of ince's plus points is that he can do a rare thing, coach mediocre players and get the best out of them, thats why he's done so well in lower leagues and so badly in the prem.

The9

The9

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Not sure why so many people are so down on O'Leary. He did reasonably well at Leeds and Villa. How can so many people rubbish O'Leary, and then put forward rubbish like Dowie and Shearer?

 

Well, quite. He's also got a reputation for developing kids at the top level (there were a fair few home-grown talents in with the likes of Keane and Ferdinand, which people seem to forget), has top level experience as player and manager, seems to be a decent coach too.

 

I'd prefer him as manager over Dowie, Shearer, Keegan, Ince, Micky Adams, Le Tiss, Wotte, Poortvliet, Claus, Tessem, Dodd, Gorman, Burley or Steve Grant for that matter.

The9

The9

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Has as much charisma as Burley (or a profound lack of it) that makes him difficult to be positive or energised by !

 

No thanks !

 

Whilst Arsene Wenger, David Moyes and Alex Ferguson positively exude charisma of course...

the stain

the stain

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Timothy Leary would be an interesting choice. Although we could end up with all our players being banned for failing drug tests.

 

Head Coach?

 

p.s. 'Prince Jazzbo'... great stuff.

sambosa75

sambosa75

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David O'Leary?!?! The man who spent Leeds all the way to near-closure? The man who advised his chairman to offer Seth Johnson a £40k a week salary when Johnson's own agent had planned to demand £15k a week?

 

The same man who wasted a lot of money at Aston Villa for little or no return?

 

He had a good side with Leeds for about a year, thats about all he has achieved.

 

Genuinely think he is one of the worst managerial options out there and for suggesting him, you should be have gravel thrown at you.

Foxstone

Foxstone

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Whilst Arsene Wenger, David Moyes and Alex Ferguson positively exude charisma of course...

 

Compared with Georgie and O'Dreary, charisma pours out of their every pore!

Torres

Torres

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I'd prefer him as manager over ... or Steve Grant for that matter.

 

Now that's a new name thrown into the mixer. I like it. Let's start a campaign...

CB Fry

CB Fry

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David O'Leary?!?! The man who spent Leeds all the way to near-closure? The man who advised his chairman to offer Seth Johnson a £40k a week salary when Johnson's own agent had planned to demand £15k a week?

 

The same man who wasted a lot of money at Aston Villa for little or no return?

 

He had a good side with Leeds for about a year, thats about all he has achieved.

 

Genuinely think he is one of the worst managerial options out there and for suggesting him, you should be have gravel thrown at you.

 

 

I think you've gone a bit over the top there.

 

Risdale would have negotiated Johnson's salary, not O'Leary.

 

And O'Leary worked to the budget that Risdale gave him, and it was Risdale who cooked up the idea of borrowing to fund players wages against guaranteed CL football.

 

His career at Villa was mixed, but his first season was very good.

 

He is hardly "one of the worst managerial options out there" and his work with young players at Leeds was exceptional.

 

You name any other option for saints and I can bet they've never finished third, fifth and sixth in the Prem, and into the Semis of the Champion's League. And you can say "he bought it" but Mark Hughes spent more and finished nowhere near anything last season.

 

Not that I think DOL would come here in a million years of course.

Saintmike666

Saintmike666

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Interesting that he talks about himself as a 3rd person in a few quotes.

 

"Dave O'Leary needs to be working. Dave O'Leary doesn't want to be playing golf."

 

On that basis alone, I say sign him up!

 

That's the facebook effect...

sambosa75

sambosa75

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I think you've gone a bit over the top there.

 

Risdale would have negotiated Johnson's salary, not O'Leary.

 

And O'Leary worked to the budget that Risdale gave him, and it was Risdale who cooked up the idea of borrowing to fund players wages against guaranteed CL football.

 

His career at Villa was mixed, but his first season was very good.

 

He is hardly "one of the worst managerial options out there" and his work with young players at Leeds was exceptional.

 

You name any other option for saints and I can bet they've never finished third, fifth and sixth in the Prem, and into the Semis of the Champion's League. And you can say "he bought it" but Mark Hughes spent more and finished nowhere near anything last season.

 

Not that I think DOL would come here in a million years of course.

 

 

George Graham and Howard Wilkinson both won the title during their managerial careers but I dont see a clamour for them. O' Leary spent an absolute fortune at Leeds and if memory serves, was responsible for many a big money signing at Villa; Bosko Balaban and Juan Angel being examples of his acumen when coming to picking up pricy players and getting the square root of sod-all out of them on the pitch.

 

Kevin Keegan left before getting Newcastle into the Champions League but he got them promoted and had them finish 6th, 3rd and 2nd before resigning. I'd wager he spent less than O'Leary at Leeds and had Newcastle playing infinitely better football. Yes, he didnt get them to the Champions League semi but following a favourable route and a couple of lucky results here and there, almost any side that competes in the competition is capable of a run to the latter stages.

 

His work at Leeds was decent but lets look at the young players at his disposal... Woodgate, Rio Ferdinand, James Milner, Alan Smith (when he looked like a young Alan Shearer), Harry Kewell, Paul Robinson etc... Not a bad batch of kids and as much as I'd like to think so, our crop of youngsters really arent of that ilk.

 

With regard to one of the worst managerial options out there, for a manager who has a consistent record of managing clubs with plenty of money to spend and having nothing to show for it, I would say he is one of the worst options. Would you trust him with a £15m transfer kitty? I know I wouldnt trust him with a £15 beer kitty.

 

As for transfer negotiations, its usually a managers job to give the chairman an idea of what would be required wage-wise to get them to move. Strachan used to when he was with us, I'd imagine O'Leary would do the same.

(not THE) Kevin Moore

(not THE) Kevin Moore

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Well, quite. He's also got a reputation for developing kids at the top level (there were a fair few home-grown talents in with the likes of Keane and Ferdinand, which people seem to forget), has top level experience as player and manager, seems to be a decent coach too.

 

I'd prefer him as manager over Dowie, Shearer, Keegan, Ince, Micky Adams, Le Tiss, Wotte, Poortvliet, Claus, Tessem, Dodd, Gorman, Burley or Steve Grant for that matter.

 

I can see your point and broadly agree but choosing two players who he bought (for good money) from other clubs is probably not very well advised. Yes they made a profit on Rio but they paid a lot for a relatively inexperienced player.

Frank's cousin

Frank's cousin

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Only a couple of years ago, when his name was mentioned as a possible successor to one of the Lowe dumped clan, there was outrage that Dreary O'leary was even considered.....amazing how perpsectives change...

Thedelldays

Thedelldays

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Only a couple of years ago' date=' when his name was mentioned as a possible successor to one of the Lowe dumped clan, there was outrage that Dreary O'leary was even considered.....amazing [b']how perpsectives change[/b]...

or league positions

Wade Garrett

Wade Garrett

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Sorry, is this the same tw*t that nearly backrupted Leeds - jog on!

 

 

No, that would be Peter Ridsdale. The very same Peter Ridsdale that is now trying to do the same thing at Cardiff.

 

'Jog on' are you trying to mug me off? I'll open you up, you slag.

The9

The9

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I can see your point and broadly agree but choosing two players who he bought (for good money) from other clubs is probably not very well advised. Yes they made a profit on Rio but they paid a lot for a relatively inexperienced player.

 

Well I did say "young players IN WITH the two he bought"... I wasn't using Keane and Rio as examples of his youth-developing skills.

 

However, it's testament to O'Leary's managerial ability that so many of the young players he blooded, even when there was plenty of money being thrown at the team, are still playing at a high level. Whilst accepting that some of those players are indeed very good and they'd have made it anyway, you can still ruin them with mistreatment, or refusal to give them a chance (what might Cranie, Dyer, Blackstock, Best, Matt Mills have achieved already handled differently?)

 

Compare O'Leary's success in getting young players assimilated to, say, Redknapp at Saints and what he did with what we had... we all knew Walcott was something special (and I dare say Redknapp would love to take the credit), but Nathan Dyer never quite recovered from his trauma at the time (notably Reading and Mansfield), whilst "even" the maligned Burley took a gamble on Baird and Bale to great effect.

(not THE) Kevin Moore

(not THE) Kevin Moore

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Well I did say "young players IN WITH the two he bought"... I wasn't using Keane and Rio as examples of his youth-developing skills.

 

However, it's testament to O'Leary's managerial ability that so many of the young players he blooded, even when there was plenty of money being thrown at the team, are still playing at a high level. Whilst accepting that some of those players are indeed very good and they'd have made it anyway, you can still ruin them with mistreatment, or refusal to give them a chance (what might Cranie, Dyer, Blackstock, Best, Matt Mills have achieved already handled differently?)

 

Compare O'Leary's success in getting young players assimilated to, say, Redknapp at Saints and what he did with what we had... we all knew Walcott was something special (and I dare say Redknapp would love to take the credit), but Nathan Dyer never quite recovered from his trauma at the time (notably Reading and Mansfield), whilst "even" the maligned Burley took a gamble on Baird and Bale to great effect.

 

Fair comment, I think 'Arry ruined Griffit as well, I really think he had potential and could certainly have gone on to do well, had Arry not shipped him up to Rotherham then slagged him off for not adjusting... the tunc.

sidthesquid

sidthesquid

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Timothy Leary's dead.

 

No,no,no,no, he's outside looking in.

 

I thought - he's showing his age, remembering a song like that. Then I remembered that I knew it too...........

RonManager

RonManager

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:(

 

Thought this was worth at least one lol.

 

I'm wasted on here...

 

I s******ed - any good?

 

I Sn iggered - any good?

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