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I'm just about to bring my cornflakes up. Oh, too late:smt078

Sorry GM. I hope I'm not the only one that found your post a little nauseous.

 

Tony, I'm not sure if I called you any nasty names but if it means getting a free beer from you if I do (as in your invite to GM) well here goes. You're a %^$£&*"

 

When can we now meet for that beer?

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Sadly a lot of people seem to have fallen for this uterly insincere apology! It is also hilarious to see people saying that it "takes a real man to admit when they are wrong", Yeah face to face it does! but anyone can do it on an internet forum from the safety of their bedroom!

 

Here is my sincere appology to MLT for ever doubting him.

 

See, anyone can do it! and I didn´t even post comments doubting him.

This is just more attension seeking rubbish and wouldn´t surprise me if the puchline was still to come!

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Completely puzzled about the dustbin lid "racist" thing. I work for a London council, and I can assure you that there will be few posters on here who have a more finely tuned racism antenae than me. "Dustbin lid" is ****ney rhyming slang for "kid". Not Yid. Kid. No apolgy needed for that one.

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Completely puzzled about the dustbin lid "racist" thing. I work for a London council, and I can assure you that there will be few posters on here who have a more finely tuned racism antenae than me. "Dustbin lid" is ****ney rhyming slang for "kid". Not Yid. Kid. No apolgy needed for that one.

 

Thats what I always thought - well its what my mother used to say and she was from the east end.

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I have not insulted anyone but merely pointed out inconsistencies in the PR statements made by Mr Lynam. The only interest I have in Mr Fialka is not his religion or that he lives with his parents but whether he has the funds to complete the purchase. Clearly as cruelly exposed by the Echo of all places he does not have them personally as claimed on SSN. And so now we have moved to his unnamed colleagues who are wealthy - a far cry from one individual with 'several hundred million pounds'.

 

The way Pinnacle have gone about this purchase has been very amateurish and some statements have been ill judged. To allow the exclusivity to lapse and the wages go unpaid was always going to undermine the bid and to blame the FL was never going to be acceptable to the fan base and prospective Pinnacle customers.

 

I prefer to reserve judgement on all of them until we see who buys the club and whether in the case of Pinnacle the PR matches the reality. I appreciate their efforts but as posted elsewhere headlines of 'Football League scuppers Pinnacle bid' or 'Fry double crosses Pinnacle and sells to someone else' are more likely to be the case.

 

I am still hoping against hope that Pinnacle do complete but the reaction of late to Pinnacle is solely based upon the points you outline. This is brought about by Pinnacle and not a case of small inconsistencies. There are people who make a living from negotiating and dealing with the FL, who would had any issues sorted prior to the end of exclusivity.

 

Take every valid point and statement and place this before any knowledgeable independent FL fan , does anyone believe their conclusions would be anything other than about finance?

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Hello John

 

Your web/forum post has been pointed out to me and I feel compelled to reply. Firstly, I think you deserve praise for the apology for whatever it is you have been saying about myself, colleagues, clients and advisers. Forgive me, but I don't have the time to watch or contribute to the forum much.

 

Ultimately, anyone can now trump us and steal this from under our feet. We don't believe that the vast majority of fans want that, and we firmly believe that we can really be what you all want as a new owner. But John, I am asking you man to man, in front of your friends, if you really feel the need to personally insult me or my colleagues, please have the decency to do it to my face (or contact me directly). That's the end of that as far as I am concerned, and come what may, I look forward to having a beer with you, and the rest of the fans at St Marys, hopefully to celebrate our first win (and hopefully with us in charge).

 

Best wishes

Tony

Hi Tony,

 

Forgive me for the delay in replying, but your post was only recently read by my assistant, as my current business activities keep me very busy and it makes sense to delegate such activities. I am sure you understand. My apology was made for the mistaken impression I had, that the person that was behind your bid, Mr. Fialka, has a net worth which is accurately reflected in the accounts he submits to Companies House, for the only two limited companies of which he is a director. I was unaware that he has a "formal agreement" with other anonymous backers that allows him access to far greater funds, that will enable him to take ownership of our club. I am impressed with the generousity of these backers and I am sure that he will enjoy, in the future, our away fixtures at White Hart Lane, as you will at Anfield. Let's hope these games happen in the not too distant future!

 

Thank you for clearing this up on Sky Sports News and correcting the local papers' mis-information. In business, I am more used to a transparent demonstration of funds, in order to help with my decisions regarding business dealings. Many banks require this as well, when deciding on lending criteria, but it is refreshing that Mr. Fry is able to rely on a more liberal net worth measure of people and consortia, than I am.

 

In preparation for your takeover on Monday or Tuesday, now that you have removed the impediment that the Football League was placing in it's way, I would join with you, in calling for all Saints fans to support you, when the formalities are completed and when the season starts. You can rely on myself and my small company to continue our sponsorship, which has given us more highs than lows over the last couple of years. As you say, I look forward to a beer or two with you, when this happens.

 

Best Wishes for next week to you and Michael and I hope the money transfer happens quickly for the wonderful staff at the club, who have always been efficient and friendly when I have had the opportunity of dealing with them,

 

Regards,

GM

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Hi Tony,

 

Forgive me for the delay in replying, but your post was only recently read by my assistant, as my current business activities keep me very busy and it makes sense to delegate such activities. I am sure you understand. My apology was made for the mistaken impression I had, that the person that was behind your bid, Mr. Fialka, has a net worth which is accurately reflected in the accounts he submits to Companies House, for the only two limited companies of which he is a director. I was unaware that he has a "formal agreement" with other anonymous backers that allows him access to far greater funds, that will enable him to take ownership of our club. I am impressed with the generousity of these backers and I am sure that he will enjoy, in the future, our away fixtures at White Hart Lane, as you will at Anfield. Let's hope these games happen in the not too distant future!

 

Thank you for clearing this up on Sky Sports News and correcting the local papers' mis-information. In business, I am more used to a transparent demonstration of funds, in order to help with my decisions regarding business dealings. Many banks require this as well, when deciding on lending criteria, but it is refreshing that Mr. Fry is able to rely on a more liberal net worth measure of people and consortia, than I am.

 

In preparation for your takeover on Monday or Tuesday, now that you have removed the impediment that the Football League was placing in it's way, I would join with you, in calling for all Saints fans to support you, when the formalities are completed and when the season starts. You can rely on myself and my small company to continue our sponsorship, which has given us more highs than lows over the last couple of years. As you say, I look forward to a beer or two with you, when this happens.

 

Best Wishes for next week to you and Michael and I hope the money transfer happens quickly for the wonderful staff at the club, who have always been efficient and friendly when I have had the opportunity of dealing with them,

 

Regards,

GM

 

Now the sarcasm.............maybe the original apology was a middle finger up to all on here.

 

Bad boy GM.............bad boy!!!!

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perhaps if he was doing a business deal with you he would be more transparent, but currently his finances are none of your business. If Fry has not ****ed up and is happy,as stated yesterday, that he has proof of substantial wealth being made available - then that is what counts!

 

Hi Tony,

 

Forgive me for the delay in replying, but your post was only recently read by my assistant, as my current business activities keep me very busy and it makes sense to delegate such activities. I am sure you understand. My apology was made for the mistaken impression I had, that the person that was behind your bid, Mr. Fialka, has a net worth which is accurately reflected in the accounts he submits to Companies House, for the only two limited companies of which he is a director. I was unaware that he has a "formal agreement" with other anonymous backers that allows him access to far greater funds, that will enable him to take ownership of our club. I am impressed with the generousity of these backers and I am sure that he will enjoy, in the future, our away fixtures at White Hart Lane, as you will at Anfield. Let's hope these games happen in the not too distant future!

 

Thank you for clearing this up on Sky Sports News and correcting the local papers' mis-information. In business, I am more used to a transparent demonstration of funds, in order to help with my decisions regarding business dealings. Many banks require this as well, when deciding on lending criteria, but it is refreshing that Mr. Fry is able to rely on a more liberal net worth measure of people and consortia, than I am.

In preparation for your takeover on Monday or Tuesday, now that you have removed the impediment that the Football League was placing in it's way, I would join with you, in calling for all Saints fans to support you, when the formalities are completed and when the season starts. You can rely on myself and my small company to continue our sponsorship, which has given us more highs than lows over the last couple of years. As you say, I look forward to a beer or two with you, when this happens.

 

Best Wishes for next week to you and Michael and I hope the money transfer happens quickly for the wonderful staff at the club, who have always been efficient and friendly when I have had the opportunity of dealing with them,

 

Regards,

GM

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Hi Tony,

 

Forgive me for the delay in replying, but your post was only recently read by my assistant, as my current business activities keep me very busy and it makes sense to delegate such activities. I am sure you understand. My apology was made for the mistaken impression I had, that the person that was behind your bid, Mr. Fialka, has a net worth which is accurately reflected in the accounts he submits to Companies House, for the only two limited companies of which he is a director. I was unaware that he has a "formal agreement" with other anonymous backers that allows him access to far greater funds, that will enable him to take ownership of our club. I am impressed with the generousity of these backers and I am sure that he will enjoy, in the future, our away fixtures at White Hart Lane, as you will at Anfield. Let's hope these games happen in the not too distant future!

 

Thank you for clearing this up on Sky Sports News and correcting the local papers' mis-information. In business, I am more used to a transparent demonstration of funds, in order to help with my decisions regarding business dealings. Many banks require this as well, when deciding on lending criteria, but it is refreshing that Mr. Fry is able to rely on a more liberal net worth measure of people and consortia, than I am.

 

In preparation for your takeover on Monday or Tuesday, now that you have removed the impediment that the Football League was placing in it's way, I would join with you, in calling for all Saints fans to support you, when the formalities are completed and when the season starts. You can rely on myself and my small company to continue our sponsorship, which has given us more highs than lows over the last couple of years. As you say, I look forward to a beer or two with you, when this happens.

 

Best Wishes for next week to you and Michael and I hope the money transfer happens quickly for the wonderful staff at the club, who have always been efficient and friendly when I have had the opportunity of dealing with them,

 

Regards,

GM

 

You know you really should post more GM (if your busy schedule allows).

 

In these dark days, your little essays are like a ray of sunshine.

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Hi Tony,

 

Forgive me for the delay in replying, but your post was only recently read by my assistant, as my current business activities keep me very busy and it makes sense to delegate such activities. I am sure you understand. My apology was made for the mistaken impression I had, that the person that was behind your bid, Mr. Fialka, has a net worth which is accurately reflected in the accounts he submits to Companies House, for the only two limited companies of which he is a director. I was unaware that he has a "formal agreement" with other anonymous backers that allows him access to far greater funds, that will enable him to take ownership of our club. I am impressed with the generousity of these backers and I am sure that he will enjoy, in the future, our away fixtures at White Hart Lane, as you will at Anfield. Let's hope these games happen in the not too distant future!

 

Thank you for clearing this up on Sky Sports News and correcting the local papers' mis-information. In business, I am more used to a transparent demonstration of funds, in order to help with my decisions regarding business dealings. Many banks require this as well, when deciding on lending criteria, but it is refreshing that Mr. Fry is able to rely on a more liberal net worth measure of people and consortia, than I am.

 

In preparation for your takeover on Monday or Tuesday, now that you have removed the impediment that the Football League was placing in it's way, I would join with you, in calling for all Saints fans to support you, when the formalities are completed and when the season starts. You can rely on myself and my small company to continue our sponsorship, which has given us more highs than lows over the last couple of years. As you say, I look forward to a beer or two with you, when this happens.

 

Best Wishes for next week to you and Michael and I hope the money transfer happens quickly for the wonderful staff at the club, who have always been efficient and friendly when I have had the opportunity of dealing with them,

 

Regards,

GM

 

You have worrying narcissistic tendencies. Are you in the mirror business, no doubt that is where your expertise lies.

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You have worrying narcissistic tendencies. Are you in the mirror business, no doubt that is where your expertise lies.

 

Don't worry Wade. Ultimately, GM will turn into a flower.

And then someone will dump some manure on him.

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perhaps if he was doing a business deal with you he would be more transparent, but currently his finances are none of your business. If Fry has not ****ed up and is happy,as stated yesterday, that he has proof of substantial wealth being made available - then that is what counts!

Deja Vu...

I have received the following from Mike Wilde in regard to your points:

Merlion Group’s turnover rose to approx STG 20m in 2005 and is expected (on current projections) to achieve in excess of STG 30m in 2006. This dramatic growth is due to the establishment of our speculative housing arm Infinity Homes Ltd. In respect of dividends there is a firm dividend policy in place at moment that prevents extraction of any more than 50% of taxable profit.

 

I can also confirm that Merlion Group is certainly not my only source of income. I have substantial financial interests in a number of overseas countries as well as other companies and I have an established Family Trust which looks after family matters. I am not prepared to give information regarding my net worth as I am sure everyone can understand that it is not their business!!

 

Guess that's GM shot down.............

 

Think again, Ginger.....

 

 

Thanks, Mike for the information and I am glad to hear that the plc you control is growing from strength to strength. A couple points of clarification, if possible, as I am sure you want to get away from the computer to enjoy the sun in Jersey.

1. Do you intend to run Southampton Leisure plc with similar borrowing and thus interest coverage as you do Merlion plc and also a similar dividend policy?

2. £1,008,378 in dividends was taken out of Merlion plc in the financial year ending December 31st, 2003.

Taxable profits before taxation were £569,069. Did you get the 50% round the wrong way that year?

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Look, I've just logged on here and found this thread which has gone WAAAY off track! Most you seem to be intent on twisting your arguement to suit your own agenda FFS. So back on theme...

 

IMO one the best album tracks of all time is 'I walk on gilded splinters' from the 'Rockin' the Fillmore' album. FACT!

 

 

 

 

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doesn't anwer my point at all

Then let me try. Pinnacle doesn't have to tell me squat about what the source of their funds are and the proof of those funds. BUT, when they use this website or other media outlets to say they have the funds, but then refuse to provide any futher details, on the basis that it is none of our business, they can hardly b! tch if it makes people suspicious.

 

I, however, have now taken the position that if Tony Lynam says that Michael Fialka has access to over £14M in cleared funds and that Mr. Fry is satisfied, I will suspend my disbelief and stop any form of mild abuse on this inconsequential and lightweight forum, until someone proves otherwise. I truelly hope that Pinnacle are able to deliver the funds, so that the staff at St. Marys and the players are paid, before the club goes into meltdown.

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Then let me try. Pinnacle doesn't have to tell me squat about what the source of their funds are and the proof of those funds. BUT, when they use this website or other media outlets to say they have the funds, but then refuse to provide any futher details, on the basis that it is none of our business, they can hardly b! tch if it makes people suspicious.

 

Unfortunately i have to agree with this. This forum is a poisoned chalice for club officials. Get out now Tony before it's too late. We've been here, seen it all before, and bought the Saints Go Wilde T-Shirt.

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Hi Tony,

 

Forgive me for the delay in replying, but your post was only recently read by my assistant, as my current business activities keep me very busy and it makes sense to delegate such activities. I am sure you understand. My apology was made for the mistaken impression I had, that the person that was behind your bid, Mr. Fialka, has a net worth which is accurately reflected in the accounts he submits to Companies House, for the only two limited companies of which he is a director. I was unaware that he has a "formal agreement" with other anonymous backers that allows him access to far greater funds, that will enable him to take ownership of our club. I am impressed with the generousity of these backers and I am sure that he will enjoy, in the future, our away fixtures at White Hart Lane, as you will at Anfield. Let's hope these games happen in the not too distant future!

 

Thank you for clearing this up on Sky Sports News and correcting the local papers' mis-information. In business, I am more used to a transparent demonstration of funds, in order to help with my decisions regarding business dealings. Many banks require this as well, when deciding on lending criteria, but it is refreshing that Mr. Fry is able to rely on a more liberal net worth measure of people and consortia, than I am.

 

In preparation for your takeover on Monday or Tuesday, now that you have removed the impediment that the Football League was placing in it's way, I would join with you, in calling for all Saints fans to support you, when the formalities are completed and when the season starts. You can rely on myself and my small company to continue our sponsorship, which has given us more highs than lows over the last couple of years. As you say, I look forward to a beer or two with you, when this happens.

 

Best Wishes for next week to you and Michael and I hope the money transfer happens quickly for the wonderful staff at the club, who have always been efficient and friendly when I have had the opportunity of dealing with them,

 

Regards,

GM

 

GM please let me know when we should start to from an orderly queue or a supportive march maybe.

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Then let me try. Pinnacle doesn't have to tell me squat about what the source of their funds are and the proof of those funds. BUT, when they use this website or other media outlets to say they have the funds, but then refuse to provide any futher details, on the basis that it is none of our business, they can hardly b! tch if it makes people suspicious.

 

I, however, have now taken the position that if Tony Lynam says that Michael Fialka has access to over £14M in cleared funds and that Mr. Fry is satisfied, I will suspend my disbelief and stop any form of mild abuse on this inconsequential and lightweight forum, until someone proves otherwise. I truelly hope that Pinnacle are able to deliver the funds, so that the staff at St. Marys and the players are paid, before the club goes into meltdown.

 

Good point. I think this forum has been hijacked by many people pursuing personal agendas, and is not being used as it was set up for.

 

I include you in that Guided as well. You are a poor man's Poirot, and remind me of a song by Blur (Charmless Man).

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I cannot believe that someone heading a consortium of multi-millionnaires has the time to respond to nutters on web-sites.

 

+1. Replying and appeaing conciliatory to glib, attention-seeking, wind up merchants - there's more dignity shi*ting yourself in public.

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Hi Tony,

 

Forgive me for the delay in replying, but your post was only recently read by my assistant, as my current business activities keep me very busy and it makes sense to delegate such activities. I am sure you understand.

 

Presumably, said delegated minion also has to dig through everything apposite that is stored on your computer notepad even as far back as 2006 on the previous forum to back up your arguments. It must be nice to be able to afford to pay the salaries of your staff to spend their time on something so inconsequential as posts you made on a football forum 3 years ago. The poor saps must be bored out of their skulls.

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Presumably, said delegated minion also has to dig through everything apposite that is stored on your computer notepad even as far back as 2006 on the previous forum to back up your arguments. It must be nice to be able to afford to pay the salaries of your staff to spend their time on something so inconsequential as posts you made on a football forum 3 years ago. The poor saps must be bored out of their skulls.

 

LMAO - spot on.

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Presumably, said delegated minion also has to dig through everything apposite that is stored on your computer notepad even as far back as 2006 on the previous forum to back up your arguments. It must be nice to be able to afford to pay the salaries of your staff to spend their time on something so inconsequential as posts you made on a football forum 3 years ago. The poor saps must be bored out of their skulls.

 

Poor Howard.

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Just wondering if Pinnacle are planning a public celebration at SMS on Tuesday now that everything is agreed and all they have to do is sign and transfer the funds on Monday?

 

Perhaps Tony can advise us? I'd love to be there.

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I'm sure we could use the hospitality suites at the club.

 

I'm hoping Begbies Traynor will allow Mark Fry to be there (I'm sure the creditors will pay his fees for a few more hours). Not many Administrators would have shown faith in, on the face of it, a financier working as a letting agent with no track record.

 

He (Fry) deserves a round of 'For He's A Jolly Good Fellow' as he's carried around the stadium on the crowd's shoulders.

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Meanwhile, Game Set and Match to Guided Missile - right or wrong always a good read from a very clear and astute individual IMO, not Swiss is he?

 

 

I am seriously loosing the plot here.

 

So can i conclude from this that GM and speculator, are actually one and the same person?

 

Or is it that so many people on here are now being sarcastic that we are in a situation of double sarcasm meaning a comment is actually genuine.

 

Christ! lol

 

While on that subject are Mole and Stanley the same person????

 

Any other twins on here that we know of?

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I am seriously loosing the plot here.

 

So can i conclude from this that GM and speculator, are actually one and the same person?

 

Or is it that so many people on here are now being sarcastic that we are in a situation of double sarcasm meaning a comment is actually genuine.

 

Christ! lol

 

While on that subject are Mole and Stanley the same person????

 

Any other twins on here that we know of?

 

Well, perhaps the best way of dealing with it all is to accept, like Alice Through the Looking Glass, that nothing is as it seems.

 

As to who’s who, try shouting ‘John’ in a crowded room and you’ll pick out the spinning heads of the Tweedledee and Tweedledum in this little fantasy, GM and 19C. Mole is Stanley. And TL/MF share top billing at the Mad Hatter’s Tea Party.

 

And those bits of paper with wings attached fluttering over the whole scene are the lawsuits that will land the minute a deal is done.

 

On the other hand, you may wake up and none of this is true.

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It wouldn't surprise me if some shots have been fired across a few bows in relation to things posted on here.

 

GM's apology might be sarcasm but I'm more inclined to think it results from outside forces - because his comments were way the hell over the top and because he's not the apologizing kind. TL's appearance on this thread yesterday was interesting, and there was a little warning in there (If you're going to make comments like this, do it to my face) that, I suspect, was aimed not just at GM.

 

Duncan has disappeared since yesterday, and I understand that an e-mail or a link he provided was removed.

 

Are these things coincidences?

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It wouldn't surprise me if some shots have been fired across a few bows in relation to things posted on here.

 

GM's apology might be sarcasm but I'm more inclined to think it results from outside forces - because his comments were way the hell over the top and because he's not the apologizing kind. TL's appearance on this thread yesterday was interesting, and there was a little warning in there (If you're going to make comments like this, do it to my face) that, I suspect, was aimed not just at GM.

 

Duncan has disappeared since yesterday, and I understand that an e-mail or a link he provided was removed.

 

Are these things coincidences?

 

Dn't be silly. It was an entirely sarcastic apology because GM was making a point, and a very well made point it was.

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It wouldn't surprise me if some shots have been fired across a few bows in relation to things posted on here.

 

GM's apology might be sarcasm but I'm more inclined to think it results from outside forces - because his comments were way the hell over the top and because he's not the apologizing kind. TL's appearance on this thread yesterday was interesting, and there was a little warning in there (If you're going to make comments like this, do it to my face) that, I suspect, was aimed not just at GM.

 

Duncan has disappeared since yesterday, and I understand that an e-mail or a link he provided was removed.

 

Are these things coincidences?

 

Has he been bumped off?

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Dn't be silly. It was an entirely sarcastic apology because GM was making a point, and a very well made point it was.

 

Did you miss out an "IMO" or do you know that to be the case?

 

If you're right I'm sure GM will have no problem coming on here and confirming that the apology was sarcastic.

 

And what about Duncan's removed e-mail or link?

 

I've posed what I think is an important question for all of us who post on here - especially those who do so with little regard for potential consequences of their words.

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