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SaintJackoInHurworth

SaintJackoInHurworth

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The BIG question then is who is the REAL money behind this bid. I've done a bit of research and found out some interesting facts that may (or may not) be a clue...

 

1. Michael Fialka is Jewish and there has been reference to his links in his 'community'.

 

2. The wealthiest Jew in the world is Steve Ballmer, CEO of Microsoft.

 

3. Steve Ballmer recently posted a brief comment to a blog about the city of Southampton. Here's the link:

 

http://nastybrutalistandshort.blogspot.com/2009/02/southampton-trawl-addenda.html#698987649855704163

 

Check it out for yourself!! Is this genuine do you think? If so it could be sensational!

Ronaldo's a pansy

Ronaldo's a pansy

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The BIG question then is who is the REAL money behind this bid. I've done a bit of research and found out some interesting facts that may (or may not) be a clue...

 

1. Michael Fialka is Jewish and there has been reference to his links in his 'community'.

 

2. The wealthiest Jew in the world is Steve Ballmer, CEO of Microsoft.

 

3. Steve Ballmer recently posted a brief comment to a blog about the city of Southampton. Here's the link:

 

http://nastybrutalistandshort.blogspot.com/2009/02/southampton-trawl-addenda.html#698987649855704163

 

Check it out for yourself!! Is this genuine do you think? If so it could be sensational!

 

Talk about a tenuous link.

You could also say that as MLT is a christian the wealthiest christian in the world is......opens envelope......Bill Gates,Abramovich,etc,etc (take your pick).......let's hope he is the one really behind the takeover !

SaintJackoInHurworth

SaintJackoInHurworth

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Talk about a tenuous link.

You could also say that as MLT is a christian the wealthiest christian in the world is......opens envelope......Bill Gates,Abramovich,etc,etc (take your pick).......let's hope he is the one really behind the takeover !

 

The link to him being Jewish is not what's important here though!!! That was just by way of explaining how I got to finding out what I have found out!!! LOL

 

The important part is that link...

 

WHY is Steve Ballmer making an obscure comment on a blog about the development of Southampton City Centre????!!! And bear in mind that this occurred some time after February 7th, so could have taken place in recent weeks.

 

(btw, in case you haven't found the comment by Steve Ballmer it is about five or six comments up from the bottom!)

gonzo

gonzo

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The BIG question then is who is the REAL money behind this bid. I've done a bit of research and found out some interesting facts that may (or may not) be a clue...

 

1. Michael Fialka is Jewish and there has been reference to his links in his 'community'.

 

2. The wealthiest Jew in the world is Steve Ballmer, CEO of Microsoft.

 

3. Steve Ballmer recently posted a brief comment to a blog about the city of Southampton. Here's the link:

 

http://nastybrutalistandshort.blogspot.com/2009/02/southampton-trawl-addenda.html#698987649855704163

 

Check it out for yourself!! Is this genuine do you think? If so it could be sensational!

 

I personally know the guy who writes that blog, and he isn't Jewish. If that's what you mean by it!

 

EDIT: Oops, just re-read your post. Ignore me!

Edited by gonzo
tpbury

tpbury

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The BIG question then is who is the REAL money behind this bid. I've done a bit of research and found out some interesting facts that may (or may not) be a clue...

 

1. Michael Fialka is Jewish and there has been reference to his links in his 'community'.

 

2. The wealthiest Jew in the world is Steve Ballmer, CEO of Microsoft.

 

3. Steve Ballmer recently posted a brief comment to a blog about the city of Southampton. Here's the link:

 

http://nastybrutalistandshort.blogspot.com/2009/02/southampton-trawl-addenda.html#698987649855704163

 

Check it out for yourself!! Is this genuine do you think? If so it could be sensational!

 

Definitely Grassy Knolligton from Viz's work.

SaintBobby

SaintBobby

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The BIG question then is who is the REAL money behind this bid. I've done a bit of research and found out some interesting facts that may (or may not) be a clue...

 

1. Michael Fialka is Jewish and there has been reference to his links in his 'community'.

 

2. The wealthiest Jew in the world is Steve Ballmer, CEO of Microsoft.

 

3. Steve Ballmer recently posted a brief comment to a blog about the city of Southampton. Here's the link:

 

http://nastybrutalistandshort.blogspot.com/2009/02/southampton-trawl-addenda.html#698987649855704163

 

Check it out for yourself!! Is this genuine do you think? If so it could be sensational!

 

Nice thinking.

 

But am just not sure I can take these swings of optimism to pessimism and back for another minute.

 

We're saved!

 

We're dead!

 

We might be saved again!

 

Oh no, we're dead!

 

Or maybe saved!

 

I've almost forgotten that this whole thing is even about the football club and city I love anymore...

SaintJackoInHurworth

SaintJackoInHurworth

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OK - looks like I was wrong!!! I should have checked out the stuff on his profile first! But it certainly looks great fodder for some conspiracy theory! In fact I suspect there will be a lot of conspiracy theories floating around should the Pinnacle bid fail and I must admit I am often one of the first to look for them (and have been known to come up with some pretty fanciful ones in the past!!) When the news about MF living in Barnet with his parents broke the other day my first thought was 'Is this some kind of Pompey conspiracy?' I keep seeing conspiracy clues in everything!

 

But, the question still needs to be asked: If MF is part of a group, who is/are the main money spinner(s) in the group?

 

I remember reading a comment from the other day about how MF has 'connections in his community':

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/4461152.Saints_bid_leader_Tony_Lynam_is_pleased_Fialka_has_made_himself_known/

 

That seems to me to suggest his Jewish background is significant. Elsewhere I have read that Jews are on average more wealthy than any other race of people (and, yes, in answer to a question raised elsewhere, being Jewish is an issue of race not religion - while many/most Jews follow the Jewish religion to a greater or lesser extent, it is not unheard of to be Jewish and follow another religion - e.g. there are quite a lot of Jewish Christians)

 

With this in mind, here's a link to some of the world's most significant Jews:

 

http://www.scientificpsychic.com/search/famous-jews.html

 

To the list on there can be added: Simon Cowell, Goldman Sachs, Claudia Winkelman, Lord Levy among others!!

smithy

smithy

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OK - looks like I was wrong!!! I should have checked out the stuff on his profile first! But it certainly looks great fodder for some conspiracy theory! In fact I suspect there will be a lot of conspiracy theories floating around should the Pinnacle bid fail and I must admit I am often one of the first to look for them (and have been known to come up with some pretty fanciful ones in the past!!) When the news about MF living in Barnet with his parents broke the other day my first thought was 'Is this some kind of Pompey conspiracy?' I keep seeing conspiracy clues in everything!

 

But, the question still needs to be asked: If MF is part of a group, who is/are the main money spinner(s) in the group?

 

I remember reading a comment from the other day about how MF has 'connections in his community':

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/4461152.Saints_bid_leader_Tony_Lynam_is_pleased_Fialka_has_made_himself_known/

 

That seems to me to suggest his Jewish background is significant. Elsewhere I have read that Jews are on average more wealthy than any other race of people (and, yes, in answer to a question raised elsewhere, being Jewish is an issue of race not religion - while many/most Jews follow the Jewish religion to a greater or lesser extent, it is not unheard of to be Jewish and follow another religion - e.g. there are quite a lot of Jewish Christians)

 

With this in mind, here's a link to some of the world's most significant Jews:

 

http://www.scientificpsychic.com/search/famous-jews.html

 

To the list on there can be added: Simon Cowell, Goldman Sachs, Claudia Winkelman, Lord Levy among others!!

 

Didn't know Cowell is Jewish. But now you say it, I can kind of tell but I don't know why.

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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The BIG question then is who is the REAL money behind this bid. I've done a bit of research and found out some interesting facts that may (or may not) be a clue...

 

1. Michael Fialka is Jewish and there has been reference to his links in his 'community'.

 

2. The wealthiest Jew in the world is Steve Ballmer, CEO of Microsoft.

 

3. Steve Ballmer recently posted a brief comment to a blog about the city of Southampton. Here's the link:

 

http://nastybrutalistandshort.blogspot.com/2009/02/southampton-trawl-addenda.html#698987649855704163

 

Check it out for yourself!! Is this genuine do you think? If so it could be sensational!

 

Do you realise that isn't the real Steve Ballmer?

 

Click on his name and go to the users blog and he admits as such and the blog is also called http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com/

Mole

Mole

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The BIG question then is who is the REAL money behind this bid.

 

I've been saying all week it's likeley to be a rich uncle or something.

kpturner

kpturner

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Someones take on 'substantial' could well be very different to another persons
Whilst true, given the daft speculation about the wages of some of the players in last seasons first team, don't you think Mr Fry's take on "substantial" will be at the correct level when talking about the acquisition of SFC?
saint_stevo

saint_stevo

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Whilst true, given the daft speculation about the wages of some of the players in last seasons first team, don't you think Mr Fry's take on "substantial" will be at the correct level when talking about the acquisition of SFC?

 

Or, enough money to pay off the creditors, as per Fry's remit?

Verbal

Verbal

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I was a supporter of the Pinnacle bid, FWIW. But we seem to have entered this weird Twilight Zone, where we have: one backer or multiple (unnamed) backers; proof of funds or the hope that someone else has the cash; an exclusivity period paid by Pinnacle or by Leon; £500,000 or more (or less); a situation where one mouthy poster appears to have had the legal frighteners put on him...or not, and where another seems to have fallen strangely silent after posting what appears to have been sensitive information.

 

Not that the other two bids fill me with wonder. Both the 'Swiss' and the MJ bids are from equally anonymous financial sources, offering who knows what - but less than Pinnacle. And then there's the Salz cheerleaders suggesting he's playing the wily fox game and waiting for everything to go pear-shaped before picking the club up for 50p.

 

When was as fans are asked to 'get behind' a bid, could someone at least do us the courtesy of telling us the truth?

RedAndWhite91

RedAndWhite91

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I was a supporter of the Pinnacle bid, FWIW. But we seem to have entered this weird Twilight Zone, where we have: one backer or multiple (unnamed) backers; proof of funds or the hope that someone else has the cash; an exclusivity period paid by Pinnacle or by Leon; £500,000 or more (or less); a situation where one mouthy poster appears to have had the legal frighteners put on him...or not, and where another seems to have fallen strangely silent after posting what appears to have been sensitive information.

 

Not that the other two bids fill me with wonder. Both the 'Swiss' and the MJ bids are from equally anonymous financial sources, offering who knows what - but less than Pinnacle. And then there's the Salz cheerleaders suggesting he's playing the wily fox game and waiting for everything to go pear-shaped before picking the club up for 50p.

 

When was as fans are asked to 'get behind' a bid, could someone at least do us the courtesy of telling us the truth?

 

I seem to have completely missed this part of the Saints takeover drama; Who is Salz?

Saint 76er

Saint 76er

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It seems pretty obvious after some minimal digging that Fialka alone is not a wealthy enough person to bankroll an enterprise like this.

 

On that basis it seems astonishing that TL wheeled him out and presented him to us as the "money man". It must have been obvious that enquiries would be made.

 

We were promised a single owner worth hundreds of millions but, learning quick lessons from the FL, Pinnacle now appear to be changing the goalposts on a regular basis in that regard.

 

Their current missive appears to suggest that Fialka is a frontman for more wealthy "relatives" behind the scenes. I have no idea about his relatives, but it does beg the question of why such a subterfuge may be necessary.

 

Firstly it's hard to understand why members of the north London Jewish community would want to buy SFC. There seems no rhyme or reason to this, and even if so, why then is anonymity necessary? One would hope Saints new owner would be proud to be seen as such.

 

Could there be a reason why the real "money man" won't step out of the shadows, such as already involved with another club perhaps? Which does rather neatly bring us round to another, perhaps unthinkable, possibility.

 

From his name, Michael Fialka may well be of Russian Jewish extraction. Now, who do we know with a similar background who is currently looking to offload a sadly underperforming football club on the way down and who may well be interested in replacing it with a more viable local rival on the way up?

 

Answers on a postcard please...

70's Mike

70's Mike

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It seems pretty obvious after some minimal digging that Fialka alone is not a wealthy enough person to bankroll an enterprise like this.

 

On that basis it seems astonishing that TL wheeled him out and presented him to us as the "money man". It must have been obvious that enquiries would be made.

 

We were promised a single owner worth hundreds of millions but, learning quick lessons from the FL, Pinnacle now appear to be changing the goalposts on a regular basis in that regard.

 

Their current missive appears to suggest that Fialka is a frontman for more wealthy "relatives" behind the scenes. I have no idea about his relatives, but it does beg the question of why such a subterfuge may be necessary.

 

Firstly it's hard to understand why members of the north London Jewish community would want to buy SFC. There seems no rhyme or reason to this, and even if so, why then is anonymity necessary? One would hope Saints new owner would be proud to be seen as such.

 

Could there be a reason why the real "money man" won't step out of the shadows, such as already involved with another club perhaps? Which does rather neatly bring us round to another, perhaps unthinkable, possibility.

 

From his name, Michael Fialka may well be of Russian Jewish extraction. Now, who do we know with a similar background who is currently looking to offload a sadly underperforming football club on the way down and who may well be interested in replacing it with a more viable local rival on the way up?

 

Answers on a postcard please...

 

Alan Sugar finding a job for the Apprentice

saintalan

saintalan

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I reckon it must be Larry David...that'd be pretty...pretty...pretty good

 

Think we'd be in danger of racism and law suits pretty pretty quickly, so better Curb Your Enthusiasm. Top program like Seinfeld.

derry

derry

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MLT on solent: MF is part of a group of wealthy investors. I wish they had got their position clear rather than spinning that there was a single investor worth several hundred millions.

Victor

Victor

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OK - looks like I was wrong!!! I should have checked out the stuff on his profile first! But it certainly looks great fodder for some conspiracy theory! In fact I suspect there will be a lot of conspiracy theories floating around should the Pinnacle bid fail and I must admit I am often one of the first to look for them (and have been known to come up with some pretty fanciful ones in the past!!) When the news about MF living in Barnet with his parents broke the other day my first thought was 'Is this some kind of Pompey conspiracy?' I keep seeing conspiracy clues in everything!

 

But, the question still needs to be asked: If MF is part of a group, who is/are the main money spinner(s) in the group?

 

I remember reading a comment from the other day about how MF has 'connections in his community':

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/4461152.Saints_bid_leader_Tony_Lynam_is_pleased_Fialka_has_made_himself_known/

 

That seems to me to suggest his Jewish background is significant. Elsewhere I have read that Jews are on average more wealthy than any other race of people (and, yes, in answer to a question raised elsewhere, being Jewish is an issue of race not religion - while many/most Jews follow the Jewish religion to a greater or lesser extent, it is not unheard of to be Jewish and follow another religion - e.g. there are quite a lot of Jewish Christians)

 

With this in mind, here's a link to some of the world's most significant Jews:

 

http://www.scientificpsychic.com/search/famous-jews.html

 

To the list on there can be added: Simon Cowell, Goldman Sachs, Claudia Winkelman, Lord Levy among others!!

 

 

Are you sure Jew is a race. They and Arabs are both Semitic i.e. both descended from Shem, a son of Noah?

 

So why are they different from Arabs?

 

Actually Fialka looks more like a Russian crook to me - hopefully he has their kind of money.

John B

John B

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MLT on solent: MF is part of a group of wealthy investors. I wish they had got their position clear rather than spinning that there was a single investor worth several hundred millions.

 

Maybe on of the consortium is worth several hundred millions of pounds perhaps the general idea of Pinnacle was to show that they had sufficient funds to buy SFC or the consortium changed

 

I dont really see it as much of an issue.

derry

derry

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Maybe on of the consortium is worth several hundred millions of pounds perhaps the general idea of Pinnacle was to show that they had sufficient funds to buy SFC or the consortium changed

 

I dont really see it as much of an issue.

 

It clearly is an issue because making inaccurate statements is unhelpful if not devious. When found out, it makes people think 'what else isn't accurate'. It does undermine the integrity of those involved and their project.

 

I do accept that Tony Lynham may have been misled by MF, who may have been forced to concede after the adverse and challenging publicity, that he was a part of the group of potential investors and not the sole investor.

John B

John B

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It clearly is an issue because making inaccurate statements is unhelpful if not devious. When found out, it makes people think 'what else isn't accurate'. It does undermine the integrity of those involved and their project.

 

I do accept that Tony Lynham may have been misled by MF, who may have been forced to concede after the adverse and challenging publicity, that he was a part of the group of potential investors and not the sole investor.

 

The problem is that things change all the time and Pinnacle are dealing with the Administrators and not you.

 

Thats why I have been relatively calm that a deal will eventually done with or without Pinnacle other fans however except to be told everything which is going on and do not accept that the circumstances I mentioned may change.

saintbletch

saintbletch

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It seems pretty obvious after some minimal digging that Fialka alone is not a wealthy enough person to bankroll an enterprise like this.

 

On that basis it seems astonishing that TL wheeled him out and presented him to us as the "money man". It must have been obvious that enquiries would be made.

 

We were promised a single owner worth hundreds of millions but, learning quick lessons from the FL, Pinnacle now appear to be changing the goalposts on a regular basis in that regard.

 

Their current missive appears to suggest that Fialka is a frontman for more wealthy "relatives" behind the scenes. I have no idea about his relatives, but it does beg the question of why such a subterfuge may be necessary.

 

Firstly it's hard to understand why members of the north London Jewish community would want to buy SFC. There seems no rhyme or reason to this, and even if so, why then is anonymity necessary? One would hope Saints new owner would be proud to be seen as such.

 

Could there be a reason why the real "money man" won't step out of the shadows, such as already involved with another club perhaps? Which does rather neatly bring us round to another, perhaps unthinkable, possibility.

 

From his name, Michael Fialka may well be of Russian Jewish extraction. Now, who do we know with a similar background who is currently looking to offload a sadly underperforming football club on the way down and who may well be interested in replacing it with a more viable local rival on the way up?

 

Answers on a postcard please...

 

If it was a property deal that just came with a football club attached?

Frank's cousin

Frank's cousin

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Maybe its simple - maybe the 'consortium' behind teh bid has been fluid - drop outs and new names over these last few weeks? Could explain the 'delaying tactics' with the -10 point debate. It could also be that they have teh 14 mil ready, but are still trying to entice an additional investor who may well be teh 100 million plus man?

 

But TL and co need to understand that this inconsistency in hat has been told to us is naturally suspicious to many.

John B

John B

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Firstly it's hard to understand why members of the north London Jewish community would want to buy SFC.

 

 

Like Bates and Ashley I would have thought to make money.

 

 

 

£14 m for a debt free club plus Stadium with potential for Premiership seems a good deal to me probaly increase Michaels wealth

Ken Tone

Ken Tone

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Maybe on of the consortium is worth several hundred millions of pounds perhaps the general idea of Pinnacle was to show that they had sufficient funds to buy SFC or the consortium changed

 

I dont really see it as much of an issue.

 

It is an issue when someone misleads. Mr Lynham clearly said in his one of his first posts on here that he started with a consortium but several dropped out when he made clear the level of investment needed, so that there was now only one single investor who was worth several hunded million, and that he and Matt were delighted by that because there'd be no in-fighting in future between members of a consortium.

 

Now it's a consortium again?

 

Hmmm.

 

K.

Block 5

Block 5

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Are you sure Jew is a race. They and Arabs are both Semitic i.e. both descended from Shem, a son of Noah?

So why are they different from Arabs?

 

EXCLUSIVE: Middle East problems solved on Saints forum!

Victor

Victor

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EXCLUSIVE: Middle East problems solved on Saints forum!

 

Hardly solved - if they are of the same race then the difference between Jew and Arab is possibly religion or disputed land, or both.

 

Does not bode well (Google 'Northern Ireland' if your newspaper does not cover these issues).

Evo

Evo

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Now, who do we know with a similar background who is currently looking to offload a sadly underperforming football club on the way down and who may well be interested in replacing it with a more viable local rival on the way up?

 

Answers on a postcard please...

 

Roman Abramovich?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, I know, I know... :rolleyes:

scotty

scotty

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Definitely Grassy Knolligton from Viz's work.

 

I f**king hope so, the punchline of that strip is always that the conspiracy theory sounded ridiculous but turned out to be true :o

SaintJackoInHurworth

SaintJackoInHurworth

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Are you sure Jew is a race. They and Arabs are both Semitic i.e. both descended from Shem, a son of Noah?

 

So why are they different from Arabs?

 

Actually Fialka looks more like a Russian crook to me - hopefully he has their kind of money.

 

Yes, you are right - both Arabs and Jews are Semitic. But they are two seperate nations/people groups within that categorisation, so perhaps 'race' was not quite the right word - perhaps I should have said 'nationality', though that can be easily confused because it is often used to mean something a little different. So let's just say that 'Jewish' refers to members of a people group rather than a religion.

 

HTH :)

SaintJackoInHurworth

SaintJackoInHurworth

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I reckon it must be Larry David...that'd be pretty...pretty...pretty good

 

Firstly it's hard to understand why members of the north London Jewish community would want to buy SFC. There seems no rhyme or reason to this, and even if so, why then is anonymity necessary? One would hope Saints new owner would be proud to be seen as such.

 

 

Perhaps not Larry David... but how about CRAIG DAVID??

 

Why do I say that?.... Craig David has strong link to Southampton. He is also half Jewish. And if you want a Russian link, he has recently completed a tour of Russia.

 

Any thoughts?

Block 5

Block 5

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Yes, you are right - both Arabs and Jews are Semitic. But they are two seperate nations/people groups within that categorisation, so perhaps 'race' was not quite the right word - perhaps I should have said 'nationality', though that can be easily confused because it is often used to mean something a little different. So let's just say that 'Jewish' refers to members of a people group rather than a religion.

 

HTH :)

 

"....he's not just talking about cheesemakers...... but rather, all manufacturers of dairy products."

;)

Arizona

Arizona

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Sir Alan Sugar

Roman Abramovic

Igor Surkis (Dynamo Kyiv chairman)

Rachel Stevens

Sasha Gaydamak

Sasha Baren Cohen

Steven Spielbeg

Natalie Portman

Jesus

Michael Fialka

 

these are the Jewish people I know of. How many of them are involved in the consortium I do not know.

Pat from Poole

Pat from Poole

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Sir Alan Sugar

Roman Abramovic

Igor Surkis (Dynamo Kyiv chairman)

Rachel Stevens

Sasha Gaydamak

Sasha Baren Cohen

Steven Spielbeg

Natalie Portman

Jesus

Michael Fialka

 

these are the Jewish people I know of. How many of them are involved in the consortium I do not know.

 

Eyal Berkovic? Surely he'd be looking to invest his ill-gotten gains from walking out on us as a gesture of goodwill?

Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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Sir Alan Sugar

Roman Abramovic

Igor Surkis (Dynamo Kyiv chairman)

Rachel Stevens

Sasha Gaydamak

Sasha Baren Cohen

Steven Spielbeg

Natalie Portman

Jesus

Michael Fialka

 

these are the Jewish people I know of. How many of them are involved in the consortium I do not know.

Jesus was Jewish ???? You'll be telling me next that the Pope is a catholic. I wonder what team He would have supported?

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