Unusual to See a Death, Live on SSN..

[Tac-tics]

GM was always going to do this. Best to just ignore him and the other trolls.

 

Its hard to, I hate how they have "top dog" status and we are all their *****es

 

Lets start a resistance I want The Farmer & Matthew Le God involved!

 

Viva la Resistance!

[The Farmer]

what he did miss was the property recently purchased i st johns wood for 39 million pound

 

I understand this was a straight cash payment as well.

 

He is heavily involved in the Jewish community and has an alliance of influential and successful connections.

[St Landrew]

I'm beginning to get a a little p!ssed off myself. Not with Pinnacle, or with other potential bidders, but with the smart-arsed posters on here. You know who you are. You find an angle and exploit it. What is the matter with you..? Are you so committed to finding fault that all you can do is criticise..? What does it gain you other than being right if what you say comes true..? Will you be equally forthright in saying you were wrong if a takeover goes through..?

 

For pete's sake, go and take up another hobby until the new season. It'll save me the trouble of reading this twaddle.

[LostBoys]

Basic facts ignoring all recent bull**** interviews:-

 

The Pinnacle takeover has not taken place and we have no idea when it will or if it will

The players and staff have not been paid when we were told they would be but we are told there is a contingency plan

 

Rest is conjecture I do not have a clue if Mr Fialka has the money to complete this deal or not or whether the FL is the reason or not. We will soon find out.

[Weston Saint]

Quite honestly when someone is put forward as the money man and you can find very little about him it does start alarm bells going.

 

Give the media a bit of time and they will no doubt turn over some stones.

 

Is this why the "investor" did not want to go public but panic started to set in, wages were not paid and he was forced into the public domain. Will the full scrutiny of the media proving he was not what he told Pinnacle?

 

Let's hope GM is wrong this time but I am beginning to worry he is on the button again.

[cherry27]

I Would Like To Say That This Isn't The Death Of Saints As I Think That The Pinnacle Group Will Eventually Take Over Especially With Havin MLT On Board Will Give Mostt Of Us A Huge Dose Of Confidence As I Can See Good Things For Saints If This Happens But We'l See !

Saints Till I Die !!

 

 

'The Pinnacle Group will eventually take over....'

 

The Club is running out of time, the Club could fold tomorrow and not exist. In a couple of weeks if not sooner we will pass the deadline for entering this year's league...end of Saints..it really is that serious!!!!!

 

The points docking etc is a result of a bad judgement call by Rupert Lowe thinking that Saints could cheat a rule(s) that every other club in the land has to abide to. We have made a mistake, we have been punished. We should not have been treated any differently to any other club.

 

But Pinnacle must have known that and were niave to think that they could fight the FL on that rule. Clubs must be thinking who the hell do Saints think they are! Can you imagine if Portsmouth tried to become a precedent....what would we be saying then....

 

We dont have any more time! Simple as! So if this guy is going to do something its need to be done now as we will not be able to entered into the league without a signature, if not he needs to walk away now. There is no time left to fart arse around.

 

I admire Pinnacle's vision but they obviously dont understand the moral or gentlemanly rules of the game and have been ridiculously niave if they really werent going to accept any punishment for the past regimes mistakes..

 

I dont blame them for not wanting to put that amount of money in a club that may be docked however many points it will be but they should have walked away long ago and let someone else have a go who is, if indeed there is anyone.

 

If the unthinkable does happen it could be the most awful tragic devastating legacy that Rupert Lowe has left us with. That decision to try and cheat the laws of the game could cost us everything....as well as not taking the initial ten points before the spring deadline when the club knowing it was going to go into administration could have done it without letting things get so bad...

 

I see all sides but am sick of hearing it will happen, dont worry, etc etc because we are going to find out soon that some deadlines are actually final!

[Weston Saint]

I understand this was a straight cash payment as well.

 

He is heavily involved in the Jewish community and has an alliance of influential and successful connections.

But have they confirmed they are in Spence, or is it promise from Mr Fialka that he can raise the funds? He hardly appears to have a track record!

[sotonjoe]

it's like a house of cards

[Johnny Bognor]

Negative to the fact that the deal has'nt been wound up and concluded, yes.

 

Negative after weeks off moaning about not knowing the identidy & 5 minutes after off comming out, tearing him to threads or so have it, then no, he doesnt have a point!

 

 

For the record, GM was bang on about Wilde and HMR/Danny Boy. He could be right again, who knows?

 

His rationale for net worth though, is only based on accounts held at companies house, which while it gives a good indication, doesn't tell the whole story. For example, Mr X could have a business with a net worth of £100k and could have inherited £100m from a rich uncle. It would be wrong to assume that his net worth is only £100k on that basis. It could be that Mr X doesn't even have a registered business or it could be family money that he has to play with.

 

FWIW, I think the dithering over the last week is just as telling as the accounts at companies house. My heart still wants to believe, but my head is struggling.

[Evo]

I understand this was a straight cash payment as well.

 

 

Is he involved in NW8 Holdings?

[cherry27]

I'm beginning to get a a little p!ssed off myself. Not with Pinnacle, or with other potential bidders, but with the smart-arsed posters on here. You know who you are. You find an angle and exploit it. What is the matter with you..? Are you so committed to finding fault that all you can do is criticise..? What does it gain you other than being right if what you say comes true..? Will you be equally forthright in saying you were wrong if a takeover goes through..?

 

For pete's sake, go and take up another hobby until the new season. It'll save me the trouble of reading this twaddle.

 

 

People have been patient, excited and it has dragged on and on, we could only be days away from there not being a new season...that is the point and a harsh one! And yes if it does all go through everyone involved in Southampton Football Club will be elated and be pleased that we were wrong but how close to the wire do we want to get!

[INFLUENCED.COM]

If the unthinkable does happen it could be the most awful tragic devastating legacy that Rupert Lowe has left us with. That decision to try and cheat the laws of the game could cost us everything...

 

As has been said many times before, the company was structured many years before this ruling came out, about 7 I believe, do not hail Lowe as that much of a visionary

[Webby]

The best thing that could happen here is for the MODS to close the forum until the takeover has been completed. We're all going crazy! I think we could all do with a break from it.

[trousers]

But have they confirmed they are in Spence, or is it promise from Mr Fialka that he can raise the funds? He hardly appears to have a track record!

 

That's the crux

[Flyer]

Because, signing away your right of appeal, would INCLUDE any further points penalty the League care to apply... ie ANOTHER 15

 

Yes but if the deal went through last week, the odds are the tax man wouldnt make up 25% of the amount owed so they wouldnt be able to veto the CVA.

 

The longer it goes on, the more the taxman will be owed, the bigger the chance of the extra -15.

 

All that over an appeal right he said he wasnt going to use.

 

So hes going from a guaranteed -10 to a guaranteed -10 plus a probable -15 by delaying. He should have alos known they were going to ask him to waive the right of appeal, I and many others on here knew they would do that, its been done with Leeds and others before.

 

Hes trying to say its a surprise the league sprung on him when its anything but that, he was stupid for expecting the rules applied to Leeds not to apply to him.

[Katalinic]

That's the crux

 

When Sky were at SMS last Friday the reporter stated that he had been told by Fry that the funds were in and they just waiting to resolve the legal sticking point that we now believe to be the -10 points appeal issue.

 

I can't believe that Fry would have let it all get this far without having undertaken due diligence and seen proof of funds/received funds in a holding account.

[The Farmer]

But have they confirmed they are in Spence, or is it promise from Mr Fialka that he can raise the funds? He hardly appears to have a track record!

 

I understand he is fronting the investment side of the bid on behalf of a group of fellow associates, who's total wealth is substantial.

 

Is he involved in NW8 Holdings?

 

Yes.

[Gemmel]

I understand he is fronting the investment side of the bid on behalf of a group of fellow associates, who's total wealth is substantial.

 

 

 

Yes.

 

 

Off on a tangent here;

 

Is the fact that he represents or fronts up a number of unknown people anything to do with some of the issues with the FL

[exit2]

I'm beginning to get a a little p!ssed off myself. Not with Pinnacle, or with other potential bidders, but with the smart-arsed posters on here. You know who you are. You find an angle and exploit it. What is the matter with you..? Are you so committed to finding fault that all you can do is criticise..? What does it gain you other than being right if what you say comes true..? Will you be equally forthright in saying you were wrong if a takeover goes through..?

 

For pete's sake, go and take up another hobby until the new season. It'll save me the trouble of reading this twaddle.

 

I was refraining from putting up something similar. Reading some the friggin stupid comments on here have made me cringe. When we were in the prem, we had Lowe, in the CC we had Wilde, and neither had a pot to **** in and never put any money into the club. This guy turns up and looking at company reports has sold just one of his companies for £39m and might just save us and he is the ****ing antichrist!

 

 

So when will people be happy?

 

Paul Allen as Moneyman

Jose as Manager

and Ronaldo as first signing

 

We are a league one team now! and might not be if this doesnt get sorted unless he turns out to be some sort of Knighton

[Ricky Redstripe]

couldn't get to watch it, are there any links to view it?

[Mr Nice]

 

Let's hope GM is wrong this time but I am beginning to worry he is on the button again.

 

How he was 'right' before is somewhat clouded going on Mike Wildes company details means f all.

[Gemmel]

I was refraining from putting up something similar. Reading some the friggin stupid comments on here have made me cringe. When we were in the prem, we had Lowe, in the CC we had Wilde, and neither had a pot to **** in and never put any money into the club. This guy turns up and looking at company reports has sold just one of his companies for £39m and might just save us and he is the ****ing antichrist!

 

 

So when will people be happy?

 

Paul Allen as Moneyman

Jose as Manager

and Ronaldo as first signing

 

Do you think we could get Ronaldo to apologise for the wink? Otherwise im not so sure it would be the right move.................. oh and Paul allen for vista

[Tac-tics]

I was refraining from putting up something similar. Reading some the friggin stupid comments on here have made me cringe. When we were in the prem, we had Lowe, in the CC we had Wilde, and neither had a pot to **** in and never put any money into the club. This guy turns up and looking at company reports has sold just one of his companies for £39m and might just save us and he is the ****ing antichrist!

 

 

So when will people be happy?

 

Paul Allen as Moneyman

Jose as Manager

and Ronaldo as first signing

 

We are a league one team now! and might not be if this doesnt get sorted unless he turns out to be some sort of Knighton

 

Exactly my point & its the same people everytime.

[INFLUENCED.COM]

When we were in the prem, we had Lowe, in the CC we had Wilde, and neither had a pot to **** in and never put any money into the club.

 

Would have been good to know from the off exactly who/what we were dealing with, do we want a repeat of anything similar to events of the last 5 years ?

[The9]

I'm beginning to get a a little p!ssed off myself. Not with Pinnacle, or with other potential bidders, but with the smart-arsed posters on here. You know who you are. You find an angle and exploit it. What is the matter with you..? Are you so committed to finding fault that all you can do is criticise..? What does it gain you other than being right if what you say comes true..? Will you be equally forthright in saying you were wrong if a takeover goes through..?

 

For pete's sake, go and take up another hobby until the new season. It'll save me the trouble of reading this twaddle.

 

Just do what most others do and ignore them. It's tedious trolls and "ner-ner" merchants like him who make this place annoying rather than just informative. Especially the ones who take a reasonable angle and boringly contort it with a dash of prejudice and a pinch of bile...

[The Farmer]

Off on a tangent here;

 

Is the fact that he represents or fronts up a number of unknown people anything to do with some of the issues with the FL

 

No.

[NickG]

couldn't get to watch it, are there any links to view it?

 

I haven't, but most of what he said I tried to put on here

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=14131

[OldNick]

Pinnacle would have known the minute that the name was out we'd have the sleuths googliing and finding out about him.They would have also realised that there was little of worth about him.If they hadn't thought of this heaven help us but Farmer would not be so foolish.

[exit2]

Would have been good to know from the off exactly who/what we were dealing with, do we want a repeat of anything similar to events of the last 5 years ?

 

last 5 years? Its easy no one at the helm of the club ever put any money into the club!

This guy IF it goes ahead will have an investment that he wants to prosper

[OldNick]

People have been patient, excited and it has dragged on and on, we could only be days away from there not being a new season...that is the point and a harsh one! And yes if it does all go through everyone involved in Southampton Football Club will be elated and be pleased that we were wrong but how close to the wire do we want to get!

what is the option? MJ has had time to step in and I assume he hasnt, it only leaves us with Salz and his gang when we get to the rock bottom.

[trousers]

what is the option? MJ has had time to step in and I assume he hasnt, it only leaves us with Salz and his gang when we get to the rock bottom.

 

What about the Swiss?

[Evo]

I understand he is fronting the investment side of the bid on behalf of a group of fellow associates, who's total wealth is substantial.

 

 

 

Yes.

 

Thanks Farmer. Don't suppose you know in what capacity he's involved do you?

[krissyboy31]

Yes but if the deal went through last week, the odds are the tax man wouldnt make up 25% of the amount owed so they wouldnt be able to veto the CVA.

 

The longer it goes on, the more the taxman will be owed, the bigger the chance of the extra -15.

 

All that over an appeal right he said he wasnt going to use.

 

So hes going from a guaranteed -10 to a guaranteed -10 plus a probable -15 by delaying. He should have alos known they were going to ask him to waive the right of appeal, I and many others on here knew they would do that, its been done with Leeds and others before.

 

Hes trying to say its a surprise the league sprung on him when its anything but that, he was stupid for expecting the rules applied to Leeds not to apply to him.

 

It's more complicated than that. Malwhinney (sp) is insisting that Pinnacle accept that SFC are in administration and therefore exit via a CVA. The way that the company is set up is that the debt to the creditors is SLH's. The assets (of which SFC is one) are being purchased from the administrator and then SLH liquidated. SFC therefore would be unable to exit via an agreed CVA and under FL rules the extra 15 points is inevitable.

 

If it was only about the 10 points, I'm sure Pinnacle would have completed last week but by signing away their appeal rights and accepting the SFC entity is in administration means starting off the season on -25, which is not acceptable to them as purchasers and I dare say, any other interested party.

[Saint_clark]

Ridiculous, ridiculous overreactions on here.

I'm steering clear of this place until the takeover is completed.

[INFLUENCED.COM]

This guy IF it goes ahead will have an investment that he wants to prosper

 

But this guys just 'fronting', hopefully those he represents have the same intent and we will reap the rewards

[Tac-tics]

Ridiculous, ridiculous overreactions on here.

I'm steering clear of this place until the takeover is completed.

 

Easier said than done Clarky!

[Greenridge]

That's a bonus.

 

Weedkiller can do that to people you know.

[Greenridge]

Quite honestly when someone is put forward as the money man and you can find very little about him it does start alarm bells going.

 

Give the media a bit of time and they will no doubt turn over some stones.

 

Is this why the "investor" did not want to go public but panic started to set in, wages were not paid and he was forced into the public domain. Will the full scrutiny of the media proving he was not what he told Pinnacle?

 

Let's hope GM is wrong this time but I am beginning to worry he is on the button again.

 

Some very pertinent and worrying points there Ron.

[NSS]

.... I must admit, I am totally against lynch mobs, but I must admit, I'm tempted to take a pitchfork and a short drive to Locks Heath....

 

LOL. I'd pay good money to watch that.

[OldNick]

LOL. I'd pay good money to watch that.

how about the deposit etc.

[Beer Engine]

how about the deposit etc.

 

 

What do you reckon nick - will they complete do you think?

[OldNick]

What do you reckon nick - will they complete do you think?

I have got a sudden rush of enthuisiasm that it is going to happen.I state I have no good reason to believe it but just a feeling. I have not seen the interview though and so might lose a bit of faith if i did.We need it to be true so why not?

[Mole]

I have got a sudden rush of enthuisiasm that it is going to happen.I state I have no good reason to believe it but just a feeling. I have not seen the interview though and so might lose a bit of faith if i did.We need it to be true so why not?

 

Watch SSN, it should be on just after 9.0. Personally i thought he came accross very well.

[hackedoff]

I am getting the same feeling now as when the reverse take-over occured. This will be good for the club and bring in some money.. .....then we saw the photo of that terrace HQ in Bristol.

[Joesaint]

Someone willing to save our club and even has MLT support....... And still people are not happy, I know they say you cant win them all but that takes the ****.

[hackedoff]

'The Pinnacle Group will eventually take over....'

 

The Club is running out of time, the Club could fold tomorrow and not exist. In a couple of weeks if not sooner we will pass the deadline for entering this year's league...end of Saints..it really is that serious!!!!!

 

The points docking etc is a result of a bad judgement call by Rupert Lowe thinking that Saints could cheat a rule(s) that every other club in the land has to abide to. We have made a mistake, we have been punished. We should not have been treated any differently to any other club.

 

But Pinnacle must have known that and were niave to think that they could fight the FL on that rule. Clubs must be thinking who the hell do Saints think they are! Can you imagine if Portsmouth tried to become a precedent....what would we be saying then....

 

We dont have any more time! Simple as! So if this guy is going to do something its need to be done now as we will not be able to entered into the league without a signature, if not he needs to walk away now. There is no time left to fart arse around.

 

I admire Pinnacle's vision but they obviously dont understand the moral or gentlemanly rules of the game and have been ridiculously niave if they really werent going to accept any punishment for the past regimes mistakes..

 

I dont blame them for not wanting to put that amount of money in a club that may be docked however many points it will be but they should have walked away long ago and let someone else have a go who is, if indeed there is anyone.

 

If the unthinkable does happen it could be the most awful tragic devastating legacy that Rupert Lowe has left us with. That decision to try and cheat the laws of the game could cost us everything....as well as not taking the initial ten points before the spring deadline when the club knowing it was going to go into administration could have done it without letting things get so bad...

 

I see all sides but am sick of hearing it will happen, dont worry, etc etc because we are going to find out soon that some deadlines are actually final!

 

This post really sums it up ,lets hope the right people read it.

[Greenridge]

Probably already posted but there's a short article on SSN now relating to the earlier interview

 

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11719_5401187,00.html

 

seems to suggest he has funded this weeks wages although that doesn't seem to be the case...

[aintforever]

'

If the unthinkable does happen it could be the most awful tragic devastating legacy that Rupert Lowe has left us with. That decision to try and cheat the laws of the game could cost us everything....as well as not taking the initial ten points before the spring deadline when the club knowing it was going to go into administration could have done it without letting things get so bad...

 

Lowe knew exactly what he was doing announcing administration a few days after the deadline. He nows the FL, their rules and how they work. He was on the Prem board FFS.

 

Done purely out of spite IMO, there is no other logical explanation.

[trousers]

This post really sums it up ,lets hope the right people read it.

 

Let's hope someone in the national media reads it who then tracks down Mr Lowe for an interview to explain his rationale 4 months ago. I know he blamed Barclays in his first (and only?) post-admin interview with Sky News but why hasn't anyone in the media approached him this week to explore the facts of what happened, especially in terms of the poor timing when it came to going into Admin???

[krissyboy31]

Probably already posted but there's a short article on SSN now relating to the earlier interview

 

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11719_5401187,00.html

 

seems to suggest he has funded this weeks wages although that doesn't seem to be the case...

 

On the interview they said he had funded the main wage bill for May and hopes to for June very soon. This was a different interview to the 17.05 one. That was live in the SNN studio, whilst this one looked like it was a Staplewood?