Lynam is On SSN NOW

[Um Bongo]

Confirming players have not been paid. Still talking.

 

Says group were on course to take over the club last friday untill the FL came up with their rules.

 

He likes the word 'Ok'

 

Agrees the club is not 'techncially' in admin.

 

Says document put to the group from the FL is illegal and that's why it has not been signed.

Edited 25 June, 2009 by Um Bongo

[Johnny Shearer]

I wonder what the hell is written on that document!

 

FL are dooming us at the moment.

[Colinjb]

Pinnacle vs the Football League.

 

There can be only one winner, and it won't be us.....

[70's Mike]

Confirming players have not been paid. Still talking.

 

Says group were on course to take over the club last friday untill the FL came up with their rules.

 

He likes the word 'Ok'

 

Agrees the club is not 'techncially' in admin.

 

Says document put to the group from the FL is illegal and that's why it has not been signed.

 

so if it is illegal then we are completly ****ed because no one will sign it

[thorpie the sinner]

I am beginning to realise we are ****ed!

[Johnny Shearer]

Seems like what others have been saying in regards to the FL saying if we don't sign we can't play in thier league.

 

C**ts.

[Polaroid Saint]

Since when did legality and legitimancy have anything to do with business? Not in my life time.

 

The world of money and profit is bent, live with it, and the words of Madness; learn how to bend not break the rules etc.

[lee_saint]

He came across well. Said that LM had said we could appeal to the Media back in May but has now changed his mind.

[Edmonton Saint]

Not sounding good is it? The longer this affair drags on, the less chance I can see of us getting taken over.. Part of me is beginning to wonder whether we will even exist next season.

 

Very sad times.

[krissyboy31]

so if it is illegal then we are completly ****ed because no one will sign it

 

Except MJ!!! Yeah you're right, were fooked!!!

[Um Bongo]

I believe he was refering thos this 'Not allowed to appeal' clause on the contract as to being the thing illiegal, so not really anything we didn't know about.

[CanadaSaint]

Does "players have not been paid" constitute a failure to discharge football-related debt? And does this mean an additional points deduction?

 

I'm pretty sure it's a fundamental breach of contract, which probably makes them all of our players free agents.

[JoeShmoe]

Its 'illegal' because t it doesnt allow them the right to appeal the ten points - not that we'd win any appeal anyway

 

Who the hell cares - the FL arent going to back down and if Pinnacle arent either this deal is dead

 

Take the bloody 10 points, like everyone else has, get the club sorted and lets look forward

 

This is looking more and more like a mexican stand off which someone (Pinnacle, the 'buyer' etc) doesn't want to lose and all the while the club is suffering

[ottery st mary]

I am beginning to realise we are ****ed!

 

To answer earlier question Iwas hoping they would pay wages....Not looking like it today at least....Sounds like it will roll for a little while...

Starting to look like wishful thinking that it would be sorted by tomorrow.

 

If the contact/licence is illegal who else would proceed....Jacko has no money and the swiss would get similar advice from their briefs..in my oponion.

 

We need a miracle... ANY about:smt115

[Rusty]

He came across well. Said that LM had said we could appeal to the Media back in May but has now changed his mind.

The rules say appeal is allowed within 7 days. No appeal was made, so now he wants special treatment?

[obelisk]

Time to start rounding up that lynch mob ready to head for FL HQ.

[westmidlandsaint]

Does "players have not been paid" constitute a failure to discharge football-related debt? And does this mean an additional points deduction?

 

I'm pretty sure it's a fundamental breach of contract, which probably makes them all of our players free agents.

 

This is technically correct our players could all claim breech of contract.

[Gingeletiss]

The rules say appeal is allowed within 7 days. No appeal was made, so now he wants special treatment?

 

FFS (for the hundredth time).......listen to what's been said...read on here as to what's been said.

 

NO.........he doesn't want special treatment, he wants the FL to adhere to their own rules.

[JoeShmoe]

This is technically correct our players could all claim breech of contract.

 

And all the while, Pinnacle, who care about the fans and the cub so much are more interested in not losing an argument they cant win with the FL

[Webby]

Oh come one, hasn't everyone been paid late at least once in their lives?

 

I see it as both the right to appeal, AND the signing to say we're in admin as being illegal. They're asking us to sign to confirm something that we're not!

 

The way it is now, I expect us to start in L1 on -25, at least. That's if we still exist. We can write off next season.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Judging by these few posts I'm glad I couldn't be ar5ed to go and turn the TV on to listen to what seems to be another repeat albeit different channel.

 

Is TL appearing on Dave next?

[thorpie the sinner]

If we don't pay wages, it will surely mean SFC is indeed in admin! I can't see anything other than us starting season with -25 points! Doubt it would be Pinnacle though as their figures wouldn't add up.

 

:smt091

[trousers]

FFS (for the hundredth time).......listen to what's been said...read on here as to what's been said.

 

NO.........he doesn't want special treatment, he wants the FL to adhere to their own rules.

 

But if the FL rules say you have to lodge an appeal within 7 days then aren't the FL "adhering to their rules" if they are saying it's too late to appeal? (if indeed that is what they are saying)

[krissyboy31]

Its 'illegal' because t it doesnt allow them the right to appeal the ten points - not that we'd win any appeal anyway

 

Who the hell cares - the FL arent going to back down and if Pinnacle arent either this deal is dead

 

Take the bloody 10 points, like everyone else has, get the club sorted and lets look forward

 

This is looking more and more like a mexican stand off which someone (Pinnacle, the 'buyer' etc) doesn't want to lose and all the while the club is suffering

 

It's not about the 10 points, it's about the FL wanting Pinnacle to agree that SFC are in administration and come out of admin via CVA or accept any sanction they wish to throw at us. Because of the way we are set up, the fact that SFC is just an asset of SLH, it's impossible for us to adhere to these demands (Pinnacle of A N Other).

[Wurzel]

Hopefully now it's been said publically SSN, BBC etc might start asking the FL a few questions they would prefer not to answer

[trousers]

If we don't pay wages, it will surely mean SFC is indeed in admin!

 

We (SFC) didn't go into admin when wages weren't paid for 24 hours last month....

[CanadaSaint]

Well, if this was a game of brinkmanship we appear to have reached the brink.

[krissyboy31]

But if the FL rules say you have to lodge an appeal within 7 days then aren't the FL "adhering to their rules" if they are saying it's too late to appeal? (if indeed that is what they are saying)

 

I thought it was 21 days? However, Fry did advise the FL that any prospective owner, intended to appeal.

[Gingeletiss]

But if the FL rules say you have to lodge an appeal within 7 days then aren't the FL "adhering to their rules" if they are saying it's too late to appeal? (if indeed that is what they are saying)

 

That wasn't the point I was getting at..........but still, did not Fry say something along the lines, that an appeal had been lodged......perhaps someone will confirm that!!!.

[Matthew Le God]

Did he mention where he is intending to go from here?

[Nineteen Canteen]

Hopefully now it's been said publically SSN, BBC etc might start asking the FL a few questions they would prefer not to answer

 

What about, why they insist on maintaining a sense of fair play and that the club like the other 71 adhere to the spirit of the rules?

[trousers]

Did he mention where he is intending to go from here?

 

Haircut 100?

[CanadaSaint]

Did he mention where he is intending to go from here?

 

Off to develop a contingency plan, wasn't it?

[derry]

It is probably the catch all clause that not only doesn't allow an appeal but also doesn't allow any appeal to an outside body including the law and I bet the illegal bit is to preclude any legal action.

[Window Cleaner]

We (SFC) didn't go into admin when wages weren't paid for 24 hours last month....

 

I expect it's something to do with the calendar month having elapsed.

Administration is not automatic, unless someone puts you there, you aren't

technically in admin. As no-one put in a proceedure it didn't happen.Even then it's not an instant process.

[explorer saint]

Is it our investor who is insisting on getting the points knocked off so we have a better chance at promotion so he can then get a better and quicker return on his investment. Or is it just the he wants and can afford to go through an appeal process.

He may well be saying if I can't appeal then I'm out.

[saintgert76]

Its 'illegal' because t it doesnt allow them the right to appeal the ten points - not that we'd win any appeal anyway

 

Who the hell cares - the FL arent going to back down and if Pinnacle arent either this deal is dead

 

Take the bloody 10 points, like everyone else has, get the club sorted and lets look forward

 

This is looking more and more like a mexican stand off which someone (Pinnacle, the 'buyer' etc) doesn't want to lose and all the while the club is suffering

 

I'm not buying this illegality thing.

In essence the Football League is a private members club. Whether we like it or not they can make up their rules as they go along.

[CanadaSaint]

It is probably the catch all clause that not only doesn't allow an appeal but also doesn't allow any appeal to an outside body including the law and I bet the illegal bit is to preclude any legal action.

 

But my understanding is that a contract provision requiring one of the parties to do something illegal (or to condone something illegal) is unenforceable.

 

So they could sign the contract and still launch the challenge.

 

Lawyers out there?

[once_bitterne]

It time that Tony, his mystery tag team partner and Pinnacle did the decent thing and pull out of all negotiations. It's been going on for too many weeks now, Lynham has stated he won't sign what the FL require in order to allow us to play in L1 and that is going to change if he gives it a couple more weeks.

 

At least then the way is cleared for someone else to come in, be it the Swiss or even the money men behind Jackson's bid.

 

Thanks for all your efforts Tony. I will always remember your posts on this forum with us much affection as I did the ones of Mikey Wilde.

 

I'm am sure you will always be held in as great esteem here as Micheal Knighton is in the Red half of Manchester. I am only sorry your keepy upies could not be witnessed before a game at SMS.

[aintforever]

I didn't think the Football Leagues rules were a legal issue?

 

Sounds like ****** to me, just buy the ****ing club.

[saintjay77]

Technically could SFC apply to go into Administration now? And if they did would the FL then choke at the thought that they had already tried to punish us for something that we are only just applying for?

Edited 25 June, 2009 by saintjay77

[Third Division South Days]

It time that Tony, his mystery tag team partner and Pinnacle did the decent thing and pull out of all negotiations. It's been going on for too many weeks now, Lynham has stated he won't sign what the FL require in order to allow us to play in L1 and that is going to change if he gives it a couple more weeks.

 

At least then the way is cleared for someone else to come in, be it the Swiss or even the money men behind Jackson's bid.

 

Thanks for all your efforts Tony. I will always remember your posts on this forum with us much affection as I did the ones of Mikey Wilde.

 

I'm am sure you will always be held in as great esteem here as Micheal Knighton is in the Red half of Manchester. I am only sorry your keepy upies could not be witnessed before a game at SMS.

 

If they do pull out I trust they will throw an almighty lawsuit at the FL.

[trousers]

Technically could SFC apply to go into Administration now? And if they did whould the FL then choke at the thought that they had already tried to punish us for something that we are only just applying for?

 

The FL's reaction to SFC going into Admin, in addition to the holding company, would indeed be 'interesting' IMHO

[Saints Ward]

Anyone seen the letter posted on the comments section of the Echo website under the "swiss consortium" link. Supposed letter to FL from TL (time posted 13:07pm)

 

Quite interesting if real.

[once_bitterne]

If they do pull out I trust they will throw an almighty lawsuit at the FL.

 

There would be no point in that. The FL are just an organisation running a competition and can control what conditions they set for entry and who are let in. If anyone is unhappy with that all they can do is to excercise their perogative not to enter.

 

I wonder if whoever runs the Blue Sq Conference is equally choosy?

[Gingeletiss]

If they do pull out I trust they will throw an almighty lawsuit at the FL.

 

With the amount they have invested.......I'm sure they will....I would.

[OldNick]

In essence the Football League is a private members club. Whether we like it or not they can make up their rules as they go along.

Is that allowed in this day and age? I would have thought that there will be some obscure European law that could mean us getting an injunction granted to stop all fixtures being played until...Now that would make us popular.

Did he say he wouldnt buy the club until the FL had waived the contract?

[londonsaint1604]

The FL is a poof

[CanadaSaint]

If they do pull out I trust they will throw an almighty lawsuit at the FL.

 

That's probably Pinnacle's only strong card - the ability to sue the FL after failing to conclude an agreement to acquire the Club.

 

It doesn't help us much, though, does it?

[derry]

But my understanding is that a contract provision requiring one of the parties to do something illegal (or to condone something illegal) is unenforceable.

 

So they could sign the contract and still launch the challenge.

 

Lawyers out there?

 

Pm Steve Grant Bill, (copy me his answer). The clause if it's the same as another one from the FA forbids legal action.

 

Can you voluntarily sign away all rights in a disclaimer? I would think it is common in as much as all league clubs will have done it, but not have the situation and the public company in administration that we have. SFC probably had this clause in their licence before it was rescinded.