What does the FL gain by killing off the likes of Luton, Leeds and Saints ?

[SaintDonkey]

I'm not going to count but it would be interesting to know. It would also be interesting to count those who have found themselves in admin because of either relegation from the Prem, ITV Digital or a "sh1t or bust" gamble on instant success...

 

 

As of December 2008:

 

AFC Bournemouth

Barnsley

Boston United

Bradford City

Brentford

Cambridge United

Chesterfield

Crystal Palace

Leicester City

Leeds United

Lincoln City

Luton Town

Notts County

Rotherham United

Wrexham

York City

 

http://www.playthegame.org/news/detailed/premier-league-wealth-masks-football-league-poverty.html

 

And you can add Stockport to that list and Saints if your name is Mawhinney. And Derby for that matter since the escape the list for the same reasons Saints should.

 

I know they aren't all league sides any more but that's still around a quarter of football league sides.

 

Something is ****ed.

[kpturner]

Who are you then, Mr. 2 posts ?

 

Cos you arent a Saints fan

 

don't the skates have their own forums for you?

Since when does only having 2 posts, the last of which was perfectly true, mean that you are not a Saints fan - moreover that you must be a Poopey fan??? :confused: By implication that must mean that all Saints fans have hundreds of posts, all of which are useless junk.........oh!

[Redondo Saint]

The problem is that the only way to compete at the top level now involves more money than pretty much anyone has, and usually more money than a Football club is capable of generating. Until the system is sorted (hello Football League, and far less likely, Premier League) clubs will overstretch in the desperate bid to make it to the promised land (and then fail to have a hope in hell of winning anything when they get there, but that's another story).

 

When it comes down to it, the fault still lies with those spending money they didn't have, as it is possible to run a self-sufficient club. The problem is, in doing so you'll just slide further and further down the league as you get overtaken by multi-billionaires until eventually you find a level of native clubs breaking even, grazing in the pasture of Ultra League B (fourth tier) or whatever they're branding it that week.

 

The spectre of Premier League II tells you everything you know about what a number of Club Chairmen think about returning to a collective bargaining, profit-sharing, "good of the game" system. Its fingers in pies and grab a grand while its there. Football Will Eat Itself.

 

Well put.

 

I also think that any club trying to spend within its means in the Premiership will risk the fans anger by not trying to compete with the big money clubs; "lack of ambition", etc.

 

Without the billions any fan should be content with mid table mediocrity in this league

I think Stoke and Wigan have done an exceptional job.

 

The rules are the rules and are expected to apply to all FL clubs.

 

Accept the punishment and move on - or move off and give the chance to someone else.

[The9]

As of December 2008:

 

AFC Bournemouth

Barnsley

Boston United

Bradford City

Brentford

Cambridge United

Chesterfield

Crystal Palace

Leicester City

Leeds United

Lincoln City

Luton Town

Notts County

Rotherham United

Wrexham

York City

 

http://www.playthegame.org/news/detailed/premier-league-wealth-masks-football-league-poverty.html

 

And you can add Stockport to that list and Saints if your name is Mawhinney. And Derby for that matter since the escape the list for the same reasons Saints should.

 

I know they aren't all league sides any more but that's still around a quarter of football league sides.

 

Something is ****ed.

 

Nice starting point, here are some since Dec 08...

 

Darlington Feb 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/d/darlington/7909576.stm

Saints (cough) April 2009 http://www.begbies-traynor.com/appointment%20to%20southampton%20leisure%20holdings%20plc/494

Stockport May 2009

Chester City May 2009

 

(and now-non-League Halifax Town in 2008) http://www.begbies-traynor.com/halifax%20town%20association%20football%20club%20placed%20under%20administration/347

Edited 25 June, 2009 by The9

[Redondo Saint]

Since when does only having 2 posts, the last of which was perfectly true, mean that you are not a Saints fan - moreover that you must be a Poopey fan??? :confused: By implication that must mean that all Saints fans have hundreds of posts, all of which are useless junk.........oh!

 

Anyone with a different opinion to some posters on here must be anti Saints.

[Legod Third Coming]

As of December 2008:

 

AFC Bournemouth

Barnsley

Boston United

Bradford City

Brentford

Cambridge United

Chesterfield

Crystal Palace

Leicester City

Leeds United

Lincoln City

Luton Town

Notts County

Rotherham United

Wrexham

York City

 

http://www.playthegame.org/news/detailed/premier-league-wealth-masks-football-league-poverty.html

 

And you can add Stockport to that list and Saints if your name is Mawhinney. And Derby for that matter since the escape the list for the same reasons Saints should.

 

I know they aren't all league sides any more but that's still around a quarter of football league sides.

 

Something is ****ed.

 

Thank you.

 

What sort of club can preside over a membership that is being decimated by debt and claim to act in the best interests of all concerned by simply penalising those who cannot contend with the financial demands placed upon them by the governance and competitive framework within which thay are asked to compete!!!

 

Football is bust - the whole of football.

 

Even supposedly wealthy clubs are millions, no BILLIONS, in debt.

 

Even Wigan owe Dave Whelan hundreds of millions in reality.

 

This is a totally unsustainable model.

 

But then British Airways will be bankrupt soon so I guess who cares will be the League's attitude...

[Torres]

Thank you.

 

What sort of club can preside over a membership that is being decimated by debt and claim to act in the best interests of all concerned by simply penalising those who cannot contend with the financial demands placed upon them by the governance and competitive framework within which thay are asked to compete!!!

 

What more can the Football League do to discourage clubs from spending money that they simply cannot afford?

[Legod Third Coming]

What more can the Football League do to discourage clubs from spending money that they simply cannot afford?

 

Introduce a wage cap.

 

Next?

[Torres]

Introduce a wage cap.

 

Next?

 

Member clubs have already said they don't want it. Member clubs won't vote to introduce it. Even if they did, it wouldn't be enforceable.

 

Next?

[Legod Third Coming]

Member clubs have already said they don't want it. Member clubs won't vote to introduce it. Even if they did, it wouldn't be enforceable.

 

Next?

 

Renegotiate rights to the league, create a collective bargaining agreement with the Premiership for player sales/purchases, work with the FA and Premier League to better balance the distribution of international rights sales, pressure the FA for more income from international competitions, refuse to participate in the FA Cup until the balance of income is weighted better in favour of the small clubs participating.... who knows, there are hundreds of ideas far better than mine for better redisistrubition of the money in the game.

 

Even capitalists understand that the more income you generate, the more tax you pay to support those less well off.

 

Yes, trying to fix the finance in football now is like trying to put the genie back in the bottle - Bosman and the Premier League have seen to that.

 

But that does not mean you have to throw up your hands and simply accept the status quo.

 

What I object to is not that businesses fail - they do, that's life. But the penalty is applied to the incumbent buyer and those responisble walk scot-free. That's not right and fair. The treatment of SFC is nothing to the disgraceful treatment of Luton.

 

We know turkeys do not vote for Christmas, so a responsible league must sometimes impose conditions on its members.

[Fergie]

SURELY Saints should have a word with the FA about the situation with the Football League. As far as i am concerned saints are being 100% shafted by the FL and surely the FA should see this and have a word as they own the FL right?

 

Working with a load of Pompey fans in Chichester doens't help my appeal for this situation either as they daily take the **** that we are gonna colapse and play conference football next year.

 

its 10 points, take over this week before we have to sell Surman and McGoldrick to fund wages and before BWP, Euell and Davis move on, if we dont want them to that is!!

 

They do say good things come to those who wait so perhaps the longer we wait the better!!?