saint lard Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 (edited) league announce they will not back down on their decision,whoever takes over. Deal in jeopardy as is the club. Barstewards. Let's just take the 10 point penalty. Edited 22 June, 2009 by saint lard
negium Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 bastards aren't they. listening to that report was not fun. lets hope pinacle don't walk away
TheSaint75 Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 The FL F'd up and we could loose our club because of it, shame on them!!!
Ewell Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 From the football league. Not exactly coming clean with what their decision actually is are they? http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/News/FLNewsDetail/0,,10794~1698158,00.html
Armitage Shanks Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 back down on what decision ? The decision to deduct the 10 points or not to give us the licence unless Pinnacle agree not to appeal ?
Nexstar Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 Pinnacle have to accept it and just carry on. Can't see Le Tiss or TL saying they guve up due to this.
Saints67 Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 oh well Pinacle want us or they dont.... Indeed. Let's take the -10 points hit and move on.
teamsaint Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 oh well Pinacle want us or they dont.... I agree.Promotion is not a shoe in even if we get the 10 points. Buy us and move on.
ladysaint Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 But is it just the 10 points or if we accept those points could they hit us with more.
Saint_Ash Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 Pinnacle will have to bite the bullet and accept it now, if they challenge it at the Court of Arbitration then that would take months, we won't be allowed to start the season, kicking us out of the league, probably never to return. It's in Pinncle's court now.
thegaffer Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 league announce they will not back down on their decision,whoever takes over. Deal in jepeordy as is the club Pinnacle please take the 10 point penalty. Where's the confidence in the team and hopefully new manager of the takeover group in knocking those 10 points off in no time at all. COYR
shurlock Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 absurd by the FL, esp if they are so confident. but pinnacle must have factored in the possibility of losing any appeal. the most they lose is the option of appealing. playing hardball apart, can't see how this would scupper the whole bid.
Hatch Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 Makes a difference on the price though. You wouldn't go through on buying a house if you were told at the last minute the garden wasn;t included
saints_is_the_south Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 Pinnacle please just accept the 10 points now & get on with buying the club.
Saint Charlie Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 Would be reassuring to hear of Pinnacles plans if the appeal is indeed a no-go.
Strangely Brown Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 Oh well not a surprise that the FL wouldn't grant a right of appeal as I am sure they have not actually applied their own rules correctly. I just feel so frustrated and angry that the League seem to be ready to see the demise of a football club just to get themselves out of a hole they dug themselves into.:mad:
Paul Chuckle Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 win your first 7 games on the bounce and you will be on 11points and halfway up the league, that has to be the aim. Minus 10 is hardly the end of our promotion chances
saint_ed Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 What a suprise...the FL were never going to budge, and I fear neither will Pinnacle. Tony, I admire your determination, but you will gain more respect for going ahead with this than letting this be the deal breaking which will see the club fall into the wrong hands, worse still, see it fold. You promote the fact you want the right people back in charge of the club....YOU are those right group of people so please consider the bigger picture. There is no shame in accepting that the league have screwed us over but let's put it to bed and move on.
chrisobee Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 Indeed, if my impression is correct and I think most people see it the same way ( well maybe, I'm as confused as the next person!) it's just a point of principle and the FL for whatever reason will not allow us to appeal. This suggests to me they are not confident of their position and so are saying as it is our league join on our terms or not at all. Really sinking to very low depths resorting to what is essentially blackmail but it's not a surprise. Think it's time to accept the inevitable and hope this one point will not prevent the takeover. If it does I'd say 1000's of Saints fans would be perfectly within their rights to sue the FL.
doggface Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 Bad news, what kind of explanation is that?? FL are gangsters it's as simple as that... I await TL next update with interest. Now this point has been clarified it's put up or shut up, as simple as that.
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 the full statement does not say anything about losing the right to appeal. I have not seen a quote from the FL yet to back this story up. Has anyone else? The full statement from the Football League reads: " The Board of The Football League met today to consider representations from the 'Pinnacle Group' with regard to their proposed takeover of Southampton Football Club. "The Football League has the responsibility to ensure all League clubs start the season with certainty as regards the competition they compete in. "With that in mind, The Football League has responded directly to the Pinnacle Group, and will continue to liaise with their representatives going forward. "
JustMike Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 yet another example of the league making it up as they go along! Why then did lord whats is face say live on TV that we can appeal, only for it to be changed now? Fluckers!!!
Matthew Le God Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 BOARD STATEMENT ON SOUTHAMPTON Posted on: 22.06.2009 The Board of The Football League met today to consider representations from the 'Pinnacle Group' with regard to their proposed takeover of Southampton Football Club. The Football League has the responsibility to ensure all League clubs start the season with certainty as regards the competition they compete in. With that in mind, The Football League has responded directly to the Pinnacle Group, and will continue to liaise with their representatives going forward. Where does it say that we can't appeal?
batterseasaint Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 I think there is more to this than meets the eye. I honestly don't think this is purely an issue of whether the FL will allow us to appeal or not. I also think it is about whether the FL will arbitrarily hit us with another deduction. Remember, we will be 'coming out of administration' without a CVA (although the fact that it is impossible for us to get a CVA because we aren't in administration is another issue!), which means by FL rules, they should also hit us with another penalty. I would expect a deal to be made whereby we take the 10 point hit and the FL give us redemption from any further penalty. The Football League's statement on their website didn't sound like they had put the matter to bed, and they did indicate that they would be talking more with Pinnacle. Whatever the rights and wrongs of all this, did anyone really expect the FL to come back and say, 'actually yes you're right... have your 10 points back'? It wasn't going to happen, and now is the time for Tony Lynham to really show his mettle and negotiating skills.
Danny Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 Where does it say that we can't appeal? That's what the League have told Pinnacle.
beatlesaint Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 Where does it say that we can't appeal? It doesnt.....it doesnt actually say anything. So i guess we wait for an update from Tony. Please, please dont walk away because of this Tony.
mattyd Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 Pinnacle may wish to reduce the price to reflect the new value. The administrator may sue the FL.
Micky Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 Where does it say that we can't appeal? Good question, reading that it appears that they are still in consultation and no decision has been reached or agreed.
saint lard Posted 22 June, 2009 Author Posted 22 June, 2009 the full statement does not say anything about losing the right to appeal. I have not seen a quote from the FL yet to back this story up. Has anyone else? The full statement from the Football League reads: " The Board of The Football League met today to consider representations from the 'Pinnacle Group' with regard to their proposed takeover of Southampton Football Club. "The Football League has the responsibility to ensure all League clubs start the season with certainty as regards the competition they compete in. "With that in mind, The Football League has responded directly to the Pinnacle Group, and will continue to liaise with their representatives going forward. " Sky went to the reporter live on air and he stated that he had been briefed by MLT,i believe, that the league will not back down on the 10 point penalty and the the right to appeal would would not be available to whoever takes control at SFC.
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 I have not seen one quote from FL on this. The statement means fook all. It actually makes no sense and is a pointless statement which does not help anyoneunderstand what is happening. The FL are worthless idiots that wont be happy until Saints have vanished.
Give it to Ron Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 Dont shoot the poster it was areport from Gary Cotterill SSN who gave a very black picture. Said a very bad days for Saints fans...deal in jeopardy wages due this week and no money to pay them. It looks bad I am afraid.
Selexus Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 This is a good point. Is it possible that during the talks between the Admin and Pinnacle, that it was indicated by Fry that the FL would accept an appeal ? Pinnacle have progressed upon this assumption whilst seeking clarification from the FL. They now have that clarification, which is possibly at odds with the information from Fry ?
mel1961red Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 I am sick of all this quite honesly we are the ones that pay the money week in and week out to watch our football team and at the end of the day our enjoyment (well used to be ) is spoilt by a bunch of Tossers who know they are in the wrong by deducting us the points the thy are lording it up by allowing the goalposts to be moved yet again NS quite frankly It seems like blackmail to me I really want to keep our club in league one but who do these people think they are its a bloody joke and at our expense !!
kelkel31 Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 will someone in charge ****ing talk plain english and ****ing explain what the **** is going on!! if its what we think, and we honestly have no clue, i say sue the FL, sue the people individually and sue the clubs they represent, see how they like it when the litigation papers land on the desks in the morning!! i have had ****ing enough of all this bull****, things need to change
rallyboy Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 with decent backing it could take us three or four years but let's get out of their effing poxy league and back into the Prem. That's the best plan.
saint_stevo Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 maybe TL and MLT would still be up for it, but would the man with the money still be so happy about it?
TheSaint75 Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 I think there is more to this than meets the eye. I honestly don't think this is purely an issue of whether the FL will allow us to appeal or not. I also think it is about whether the FL will arbitrarily hit us with another deduction. Remember, we will be 'coming out of administration' without a CVA (although the fact that it is impossible for us to get a CVA because we aren't in administration is another issue!), which means by FL rules, they should also hit us with another penalty. I would expect a deal to be made whereby we take the 10 point hit and the FL give us redemption from any further penalty. The Football League's statement on their website didn't sound like they had put the matter to bed, and they did indicate that they would be talking more with Pinnacle. Whatever the rights and wrongs of all this, did anyone really expect the FL to come back and say, 'actually yes you're right... have your 10 points back'? It wasn't going to happen, and now is the time for Tony Lynham to really show his mettle and negotiating skills. I agree, the CVA part could be a major issue as the FL will be admitting they are wrong if they don't dock us further points, this could mean relegation again and an investor will not be wanting that now would he?
slickmick Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 They have heard another consortium have the money and will sign the 10 point deduction acceptance. Jackson you are a grade 1 muppet.
Badger Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 Pinnacle may wish to reduce the price to reflect the new value. The administrator may sue the FL. A question I raised yesterday,and yet to be answered, would there be grounds to sue those in control of the club at the time of the 10 point announcement for not lodging the appeal within the time limit imposed by FL rules. Is it possible that either the 'board' at the time - whoever it was - and/or the Administrators have been negligent in their duties by not setting the appeal in motion ?
Strangely Brown Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 I think there is more to this than meets the eye. I honestly don't think this is purely an issue of whether the FL will allow us to appeal or not. I also think it is about whether the FL will arbitrarily hit us with another deduction. Remember, we will be 'coming out of administration' without a CVA (although the fact that it is impossible for us to get a CVA because we aren't in administration is another issue!), which means by FL rules, they should also hit us with another penalty. I would expect a deal to be made whereby we take the 10 point hit and the FL give us redemption from any further penalty. The Football League's statement on their website didn't sound like they had put the matter to bed, and they did indicate that they would be talking more with Pinnacle. Whatever the rights and wrongs of all this, did anyone really expect the FL to come back and say, 'actually yes you're right... have your 10 points back'? It wasn't going to happen, and now is the time for Tony Lynham to really show his mettle and negotiating skills. I agree re the CVA issue, it would seem crass and stupid to see a club slide into oblivion on the basis of scaraing off the new owners over an incorrect application of their own rules!!! The "blazers" at the FL need to seriously take a look at themselves and their rules and ask themselves are they fit and proper guardians of the peoples game, because it seems to me that they are doing the utmost to destroy it rather than protect it.
aintforever Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 Where does it say that we can't appeal? I think this bit means there can't be a lengthy appeal going on whilst the season gets underway: "The Football League has the responsibility to ensure all League clubs start the season with certainty as regards the competition they compete in." Doesnt mean we cant appeal before the start of the season tho. ****ing Football League are a bunch of monkeys.
Badger Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 They have heard another consortium have the money and will sign the 10 point deduction acceptance. Jackson you are a grade 1 muppet. I still cannot believe Pinnacle would have come this far without factoring in the possibility that the 10pt deduction was likely to apply.Even in the event of an appeal it might still have been upheld.
Mole Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/News/FLNewsDetail/0,,10794~1698158,00.html
Stax Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 The football league are getting right on my t*ts they know an appeal would get the 10 points back for saints Derby got away with it. So they wont let nobody buy who would appeal, the football league muppets are a disgrace.
derry Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 Give them what they want. Sign up to whatever the league want. Take the deduction. Then take them to the high court and challenge their right to interpret their rules rather than abide by specific rules. Forget about arbitration, appeals etc. let the law decide. This needs doing and at some point somebody will bring the house of cards down.
aintforever Posted 22 June, 2009 Posted 22 June, 2009 The 10 point thing should not make any difference to a serious bidder, everyone knew from day 1 that the FL were very unlikley to back down. Pinnacle can't use this as an excuse.
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