Matthew Le God Posted 20 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 June, 2009 I can see that now, I thought you may have had connection and for a split second I thought you were the real MLT. Cheers. Would be quite egotistical if I were the real Matt to use the username "Matthew Le God" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilB Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 I don't care about the points I just care about the future of the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 Get on with it. I can't take much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 I don't think the FL have done anything wrong here, everyone knows that we are in administration and we should just take it on the chin. I'd like to see a bit of decency and honour here. Besides which, I can't see how we have a case as this isn't even a legal argument. The FL own this show and they set whatever rules they want. If they say 'no appeal' you just have to swallow it with a bit of dignity. Don't get me wrong, I want this -10 overturned as much as the next fan but I want it erased the right way, by winning our first 4 games and then going on to storm the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navysaint Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 Hello guys A brief message by request to clarify something which some people may be misunderstanding. There is an outstanding matter with the Football League regarding a clause we are being asked to sign which affects our membership status to the league itself. The clause being that Wupert "Red Cheeks" Lowe is not to be mentioned ever again within the football league or SMS!! I'll sign that with at least 30'000 others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan17 Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 there is an issue with his membership, which will be debated in a meeting on monday pmsl :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 THE FL are saying that for us to continue in the FL the new owners must sign a clause that pledges not to pursue an appeal over the 10 points. In other words ...blackmail. I am grateful for TL's message - perhaps Fry may like to make a statement now because it seems some fault may lie at his door? In what sense ? Perhaps you are thinking along similar lines to me that the appeal should have been lodged immediately. Now,if the appeal has not been lodged,and we are now time barred from appealing it raises an interesting question in my mind.Have the remaining directors , or administrators even,failed in their fiduciary duties,and is there possibly recourse against them ? In the case of the administrators,I doubt it since we all know they were only dealing with the assets of SLH and not the SFC itself.:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee_saint Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 I assume the clause would be if the club were to get into money troubles again, then we'll be kicked out of the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 To be honest I think people underestimate how much legalese is involved in taking over a multimillion pound business. There are always last minute clauses inserted by both sides, or the implications of paragraph 62, sub section c become better understood. People need to relax and let it happen. Kind of like constipation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 Perhaps there could be compromise on both sides I think the compromise will be exactly what the League did with Leeds. The League could well have made Leeds start in League 2 (Div 4), but compromised by allowin them to stay in League 1 (Div 3) on the proviso that they accepted the -15 and signed to a compromise agreement effectivley asking them to accept it and forego any future action against the League. It may well be that the clause that Pinnacle are being asked to sign is something along the same lines. I also think that our starting position hasn't been fully clarified as there is still the potential of further points deductions. I think Pinnacle will want to have a definite agreed start point with the League before they hand over the cash as any subsequent points deductions could well affect the prospects of the Club and therefore materially affect the value of the Club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 My advice to you Tony, if I may be so bold, is to sue those pen-pushing amateurs at the football league collectively and that tory runt Mawhinny specificaly if they foul this up. If their -10 point penalty was fair and true the sniveling little ****sters wouldn't be asking anyone to sign away their right to appeal. If you need further legal advice pm me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 My advice to you Tony, if I may be so bold, is to sue those pen-pushing amateurs at the football league collectively and that tory runt Mawhinny specificaly if they foul this up. If their -10 point penalty was fair and true the sniveling little ****sters wouldn't be asking anyone to sign away their right to appeal. If you need further legal advice pm me. Post of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 My message to Tony is please do whatever it takes to ensure that this takeover can go ahead. We finally have an opportunity to have a management TEAM who are all pulling together for the greater good of Southampton FC. If this means taking the 10 point deduction then so be it. Please do not let this be the difference between us surviving and us going down the drain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Nice Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 Somebody asked me to ask (may have already been covered) Can we not sign the non-appeal paperwork and then a fan for example take action against the FL via UEFA/FIFA. Making it known of the blackmail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 I assume the clause would be if the club were to get into money troubles again, then we'll be kicked out of the league. Rotherham went into administration twice in as many years due to financial troubles but remain in the football league, they received a 17 point deficit the second time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee_saint Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 Rotherham went into administration twice in as many years due to financial troubles but remain in the football league, they received a 17 point deficit the second time. Indeed, as did Luton. But I expect this might be something the football league want to cut out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Charteris Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 I truly hope all can be resolved Monday. I still won't be nice about the Football League though. Cantankerous, obstinate, hypocritical old fools! Seconded with knobs on! The more I hear from Mr Lynam, the more I like the guy. Such a refreshing change from the patronising, I-can-do-no-wrong guff we have heard from previous board members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvictaSaint Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 In a moment of extreme anger, depression, frustration but somehow also galvanised support, I sent Tony Lynam a PM last night, just so that he could be aware that we are all standing four square behind him. I did this with no desire to start a conversation, or even to get a response; I just wanted him to know how I and many others feel at the moment and how we desperately want him to succeed. Imagine my surprise when, in my inbox this evening, there was a reply from the man himself. Top, top bloke - the sort of bloke we need at this club to help make it great again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee_saint Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 In a moment of extreme anger, depression, frustration but somehow also galvanised support, I sent Tony Lynam a PM last night, just so that he could be aware that we are all standing four square behind him. I did this with no desire to start a conversation, or even to get a response; I just wanted him to know how I and many others feel at the moment and how we desperately want him to succeed. Imagine my surprise when, in my inbox this evening, there was a reply from the man himself. Top, top bloke - the sort of bloke we need at this club to help make it great again. That's very warming to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 Q1 Does anyone know anything for a fact? Have you got a liklier explanation? Q2 TL's message implies fault lies away from Pinnacle. So Fry is the selling agent here - the middle man if you like, he has also publicly stated the "10 points appeal" should be successful. So what has he said to Pinnacle over the 10 points and has he lead them to think an appeal would be allowed? I don't know is the answer which is why I would like to hear his side of things. We are now out of the exclusivity period so as far as I know there are no reasons that prevent him clarifying what is increasingly becoming a confusing concern. I take your point that we are out of exclusivity however I think that each party to the discussions needs to keep their powder dry until either the deal is done or all is lost. I feel that only then might it be prudent to reveal the lies, damn lies, statistics and terminological inexactitudes which have probably bounced back and forth in order to sell this deal to Pinnacle. To be honest I think we owe Pinnacle and Tony Lynam a debt of gratitude for persevering in a situation when maybe a few of us may well have thrown the baby out with the bath water when we drenched Mr MinnyHawHaw ! To me it still looks positive, indeed much more positive than when insomnia woke me to post in the early hours of this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 Perhaps there could be compromise on both sides and perhaps they would accept a 5 point deduction instead. This would save face for the league as they still would be seen to be punishing us,us fans would be slightly happier and pinnacle would see it as a small victory over the league. Bollix to that ... I think we should demand a +10 Points at the start of next season for all the heartache we have been put through, especially as the -10 meant even if we got the points to finish in 4th from bottom we were still going to get relegated :cool: so it all became a bit academic in the end anyway (now is not the time to mention that we were so sh1te that we deserved to go down anyway ) On a more sensible note, why should we accept any sort of punishment if, by the FL's rules we didn't actually break any laws that merit the punishment. We are either guilty or not guilty, there is no half way house, and denying us the right of appeal is surely beyond comprehension unless it was written into the terms of the ruling in the first place which as far as I understand it wasn't, in fact didn't Lord Thinwilly say we could appeal, but it would be a waste of time, which in itself is completely against the whole ethos of being able to appeal.:confused: Thanks Tony for the updates, your efforts and communications are most commendable and appreciated. Good luck on Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 In a moment of extreme anger, depression, frustration but somehow also galvanised support, I sent Tony Lynam a PM last night, just so that he could be aware that we are all standing four square behind him. I did this with no desire to start a conversation, or even to get a response; I just wanted him to know how I and many others feel at the moment and how we desperately want him to succeed. Imagine my surprise when, in my inbox this evening, there was a reply from the man himself. Top, top bloke - the sort of bloke we need at this club to help make it great again. and did he make you feel better in his reply than some of the mores sensationalist posts on here do ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint77 Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 and did he make you feel better in his reply than some of the mores sensationalist posts on here do ? i also sent him a p.m and received a reply at 6.30 this evening i will defo sleep better tonight he is more than confident this will be sorted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeismyname Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 i also sent him a p.m and received a reply at 6.30 this evening i will defo sleep better tonight he is more than confident this will be sorted Care to share his reply??? I bet he'll get a few more PMs now that people know he replies lol Seriously though, Thank you so much Tony and your team for your efforts in saving our great club. Especially you Mr. Lynam for keeping us fans informed. I just hope you will be able to complete the deal that we all want and hope for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 i also sent him a p.m and received a reply at 6.30 this evening i will defo sleep better tonight he is more than confident this will be sorted thats great to hear - i could do with a decent nights sleep too.......i had a bloody dream last night and RL appeared in the middle of it.....that was me awake for the rest of the night !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wightman35 Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 How wonderful that our potential Directors take the time and trouble to keep us "in the picture," whilst still dealing with complex confidential matters. Saints fans are not accustomed to being treated with respect in recent years, are we? I shall take hope from T.L.s last two lines and stop worrying until Monday afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wightman35 Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 i had a bloody dream last night and rl appeared in the middle of it.....that was me awake for the rest of the night !! nightmare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 nightmare exactly !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 The thought that Tony Lynam is setting a standard here of giving respect, a respect which is gratefully received even though we have done little to earn it. Given that respect it becomes very easy to afford that mutual respect in return. Now, while this does not mean that this will become a mutual, backslapping, admiration society it does mean that we can realise that as fans we can raise concerns and they will be discussed and, if necessary and possible, be addressed. There will hopefully be no need for the confrontation politics which most of us have descended into during the last ten or so God forsaken years. Board, players, club staff and fans. One team. One Southampton! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 The thought that Tony Lynam is setting a standard here of giving respect, a respect which is gratefully received even though we have done little to earn it. Given that respect it becomes very easy to afford that mutual respect in return. Now, while this does not mean that this will become a mutual, backslapping, admiration society it does mean that we can realise that as fans we can raise concerns and they will be discussed and, if necessary and possible, be addressed. There will hopefully be no need for the confrontation politics which most of us have descended into during the last ten or so God forsaken years. Board, players, club staff and fans. One team. One Southampton! You've made me well up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwaySaint1 Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 Is Marc Jackson happy to pay the money and take the -10 points ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 Is Marc Jackson happy to pay the money and take the -10 points ? I'm sure he'd be happy to pay the money, but i don't think remortgaging his one bedroom flat in Poole will provide the funds required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 The thought that Tony Lynam is setting a standard here of giving respect, a respect which is gratefully received even though we have done little to earn it. Given that respect it becomes very easy to afford that mutual respect in return. Now, while this does not mean that this will become a mutual, backslapping, admiration society it does mean that we can realise that as fans we can raise concerns and they will be discussed and, if necessary and possible, be addressed. There will hopefully be no need for the confrontation politics which most of us have descended into during the last ten or so God forsaken years. Board, players, club staff and fans. One team. One Southampton! Like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 The thought that Tony Lynam is setting a standard here of giving respect, a respect which is gratefully received even though we have done little to earn it. Given that respect it becomes very easy to afford that mutual respect in return. Now, while this does not mean that this will become a mutual, backslapping, admiration society it does mean that we can realise that as fans we can raise concerns and they will be discussed and, if necessary and possible, be addressed. There will hopefully be no need for the confrontation politics which most of us have descended into during the last ten or so God forsaken years. Board, players, club staff and fans. One team. One Southampton! Agree with the sentiment but the same post could have been made pre-Wilde. I fully support a Pinacle takeover but I don't see any reason why the unrealistic expectations of fans will change and, in time, there will be a section aggrieved at Tony Lynam for some perceived slight (selling a player we all want to keep, promoting Saint's award winning catering or similar). That's not Tony Lynam's fault, that's not Saints, that's just football fans and the MTV / credit crunch culture of wanting everything now. So come on Tony, take over our club, you can make it a great one - just don't expect the love of everyone, all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 Well Im back in the UK after 3 weeks in the USA. Any suggestions to get over Jet lag. Anyway Im trying to catch up on three weeks of posts and debates My Take on TL's post is that is iy a case that some of you are barking up the wrong tree re the -10 oints theory. There could be another reason!! Perhaps TL is acually refering to the ownership of the stadium. Suppose somebody else purchased the stadium person x but not pinnacle could this reason possibly not meet the criteria of a takeover being approved as Person x buying the stadium causes a problem for the FL. PS I am very Jet Lagged and may have misinterpreted TL earlier post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 Really hope this can be sorted out, I cant think of many people I would rather have involved with the club than TL - he has conducted himself superbly agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 Care to share his reply??? I bet he'll get a few more PMs now that people know he replies lol Seriously though, Thank you so much Tony and your team for your efforts in saving our great club. Especially you Mr. Lynam for keeping us fans informed. I just hope you will be able to complete the deal that we all want and hope for. I bet he will get plenty of PMs, if later, further down the line things start to go tits up so too speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvictaSaint Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 and did he make you feel better in his reply than some of the mores sensationalist posts on here do ? Put it this way; his post on here today + his reply to my PM = a much happier Invictasaint than might otherwise have been the case this weekend. Factor in the sensible reasoning of UP, Halo and others and I think the picture is at least becoming a little clearer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 Takeover, isn't it? Marvellous! FL board members for goalposts? Marvellous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaroid Saint Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 Takeover, isn't it? Marvellous! FL board members for goalposts? Marvellous! Ah, but they keep bloody moving Ron... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 Agree with the sentiment but the same post could have been made pre-Wilde. I fully support a Pinacle takeover but I don't see any reason why the unrealistic expectations of fans will change and, in time, there will be a section aggrieved at Tony Lynam for some perceived slight (selling a player we all want to keep, promoting Saint's award winning catering or similar). That's not Tony Lynam's fault, that's not Saints, that's just football fans and the MTV / credit crunch culture of wanting everything now. So come on Tony, take over our club, you can make it a great one - just don't expect the love of everyone, all the time. Point taken, apart from: 1. My understanding about the 'Pre-Wilde' bit. Was there really a time such as that? Wilde pretended he was listening and made the appropriate noises but just couldn't walk the walk. Prior to him? I don't think the guy even pretended to listen! Oh! there were the Fan Forums. Hmmmm. 2. I do honestly believe that most Saints fans are not going to want it all now. We are only too aware of the problems caused by stretching too far. All we really want is a team that will try to play as well as they can and, once in a while, to play and turn over the bigger team. I believe most of us are really able to endure a slow building process. In fact it's all that's realistically going to be available to us for the foreseeable future! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 Moving goalposts, isn't it? Enduring image You know Marvellous Am I the new Manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 Moving goalposts, isn't it? Enduring image You know Marvellous Am I the new Manager? The itsagoal RonManager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 Point taken, apart from: 1. My understanding about the 'Pre-Wilde' bit. Was there really a time such as that? Wilde pretended he was listening and made the appropriate noises but just couldn't walk the walk. Prior to him? I don't think the guy even pretended to listen! Oh! there were the Fan Forums. Hmmmm. 2. I do honestly believe that most Saints fans are not going to want it all now. We are only too aware of the problems caused by stretching too far. All we really want is a team that will try to play as well as they can and, once in a while, to play and turn over the bigger team. I believe most of us are really able to endure a slow building process. In fact it's all that's realistically going to be available to us for the foreseeable future! By "pre-Wilde", I mean when Wilde was whipping the proles into hysteria using Saintsforever etc. I agree that the majority of fans are realistic (at least when you discount matchday optimism), but it is the vocal unrealistic minority who have an impact far greater than their numbers. "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" etc. You could almost call them the lunatic fringe..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintstr1 Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 Whilst I am like all other fans very gratefull to TL for taking the time to update us I cant help but feel that something is missing or should I say not being fully explained here. I find it difficult to believe that the Pinnacle group and there obviously knowledgeable legal team have worked on completing the Takeover,( Which they stated was just a matter of doting the i,s and crossing the t,s), for three weeks and seem to have been bowled out in the last few hours of the exclusivity period. It tells me two things , either somebody at Pinnacle has not done the full Due Diligence properly or Fry has not set up the Administration of SLH correctly with regard to SFC. The way I read the situation is that the money being paid is for SFC but Fry will use it to pay off the Stadium & Bank etc which are in fact the debts of SLH. No wonder every one including the football League are confused. I dont think we are really aware of the full problem with regard to the reason the football league are not rubber stamping the deal but IMHO it is to do with a lot more than the -10 points. Hopefully it can be sorted on Monday but I wont hold my breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 Whilst I am like all other fans very gratefull to TL for taking the time to update us I cant help but feel that something is missing or should I say not being fully explained here. I find it difficult to believe that the Pinnacle group and there obviously knowledgeable legal team have worked on completing the Takeover,( Which they stated was just a matter of doting the i,s and crossing the t,s), for three weeks and seem to have been bowled out in the last few hours of the exclusivity period. It tells me two things , either somebody at Pinnacle has not done the full Due Diligence properly or Fry has not set up the Administration of SLH correctly with regard to SFC. The way I read the situation is that the money being paid is for SFC but Fry will use it to pay off the Stadium & Bank etc which are in fact the debts of SLH. No wonder every one including the football League are confused. I dont think we are really aware of the full problem with regard to the reason the football league are not rubber stamping the deal but IMHO it is to do with a lot more than the -10 points. Hopefully it can be sorted on Monday but I wont hold my breath. What is your hope for an alternative at this late stage....Surely not the hot air of Jackson or the return of that idiot Lowe and his motley crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintstr1 Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 What is your hope for an alternative at this late stage....Surely not the hot air of Jackson or the return of that idiot Lowe and his motley crew. Off course not .............. My hope is that Pinnacle can get it sorted, but merely pointing out that it might not be that easy. I really cant see that SLH & SFC are seperate idenities which probably means the -10 is a stick on and so there must be other "LEGAL" problems which may prove difficult to overcome. Hope I am wrong and Pinnacle seal it on Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 Off course not .............. My hope is that Pinnacle can get it sorted, but merely pointing out that it might not be that easy. I really cant see that SLH & SFC are seperate idenities which probably means the -10 is a stick on and so there must be other "LEGAL" problems which may prove difficult to overcome. Hope I am wrong and Pinnacle seal it on Monday. Agreed...Hoping and praying that all goes well on Monday or Tuesday...Otherwise I fear the worst....I can't see any alternative....TL sounds up beat and MLT was very positive....Maybe we are all being too despondent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintpat Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 Delighted that TL is showing that he actually CARES about the fans and is keeping us informed as much as he is probably able to. I am very impressed. He is also very clever, this interaction means that anyone who reads this site will be behind him and his decision making 110%. Thanks Tony, you are showing that us fans actually matter, this is something that we are not used to- in fact most fans of football clubs are not used to it!! I hope it continues when you take over the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 Thats my bet - conversations have taken place in private between the FL & Pinnacle - those conversations are being spoken about at the emergency FL meeting on Monday. Both sides will want to come out with a win win - compromise will be king. Well thats my take on it. But all their conversations are private and always have been, surely.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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