krissyboy31 Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 Does anyone seriously think the club would 'win' in any form of legal action against the FL? If you don't like what the FL league is offering, there is an alternative. Otherwise it's about compromising on the narrow options the FL would offer. But that's the point. The FL obviously think we have a chance of winning and making them look idiots, otherwise they wouldn't be bothered whether we appeal or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 No they are covered by European common law and statute like everyone else including the British Government. But of course you have to recognise that there is a pre-existing agreement to submit any disputes to to arbitration (FA Rule K). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalkansaint Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 ok red - thats my sixppenyworth gone to Lord M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 If they simply didn't bother talking to the FA and not checking then it smacks of amateur hour. It may just be a tactical ploy to pressure the FL into reversing the 10 point penalty especially if, when they meet on Monday, the FL believes their decision is more about whether SFC survives or dies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 There are to my mind 2 legal issues - questions which need to be answered [end quote] I wonder what they may be? TL seems confident that they are not a problem but just another hurdle to worry them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 But of course you have to recognise that there is a pre-existing agreement to submit any disputes to to arbitration (FA Rule K).Yes and I saw your very persuasive comments on another thread today after I posted this and the earlier comment on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 One of the problems with this, like other rumours, is that we do not know the full facts! We, like the media, are assuming that it is all to do with the 10 points deduction and the new owners signing away a right to appeal. This just does not fit. It is to simplistic and full of legal holes. What if it is all to do with the fact that the new owners are asking for confirmation that the golden share will be transfered to the new company but the football league not prepared to give that undertaking until the club is out of administration (puting aside the argument of whether it is the club or just SLH in Admin). A catch 22 but something that can be resolved following the FL emergency meeting on Monday. Tony Lynam seems to think the remaining issues can be overcome. It has to be something simpler than the signing away the right of appeal. Malwhinney has already gone on record on that point. Unless of course there was a time limit for the appeal which has passed or a deadline for coming out of Administration passed requiring a special meeting by the FL to sanction "readmittance" Plenty of speculation but no real knowledge of the facts! We need to wait and see what develops next week. Are you suggesting a place in league 1 has not been reserved for us ? That the rumours about Blue Square league have some substance? I can only believe that we may have had an extra points penalty imposed on us and that is what the last minute surprise from the FL sprung on us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARCELONASAINT Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 Just seen Matts interview on Sky and he states that a couple of legal matters have only been made aware to them in the last 48 hours???? What the hell are the people trying to sell our club playing at?? Does not seem a very professional way to go about business by not telling your prospective buyer all the info and then tell them something really important just before they are about to complete. Everyone that has any involvement in our club seems to have goneto ammatuer school! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 Just seen Matts interview on Sky and he states that a couple of legal matters have only been made aware to them in the last 48 hours???? What the hell are the people trying to sell our club playing at?? Does not seem a very professional way to go about business by not telling your prospective buyer all the info and then tell them something really important just before they are about to complete. Everyone that has any involvement in our club seems to have goneto ammatuer school! Maybe, just maybe, the Administrator wasn't aware of this move by the FL until the eleventh hour also? Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 Just seen Matts interview on Sky and he states that a couple of legal matters have only been made aware to them in the last 48 hours???? What the hell are the people trying to sell our club playing at?? Does not seem a very professional way to go about business by not telling your prospective buyer all the info and then tell them something really important just before they are about to complete. Everyone that has any involvement in our club seems to have goneto ammatuer school! I think you will find that these new findings are from the FL and not from the club/admin etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 It may just be a tactical ploy to pressure the FL into reversing the 10 point penalty especially if, when they meet on Monday, the FL believes their decision is more about whether SFC survives or dies. Now that we are, thanks to the FL, in the Sh*te Big Time, a very important Question has to be asked ........ WHY did Barclays pull the plug One Week AFTER the League's cit off date for being liable to a points deduction We are told that a Saints Supporter works at Barclays ???? .... if so, was he so completely THICK as to not realise the implications ........ ...... Lowe's involvement comes into play here ...... HE was fully aware of what would happen should we go into Admin AFTER the date ....... People who think Lowe is STILL behind the scenes somewhere are living in Cloud Cuckoo Land ......... and those that castigate me for keeping on about him will, IMHO, shortly have to eat humble pie He is still the Leech of SFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 Now that we are, thanks to the FL, in the Sh*te Big Time, a very important Question has to be asked ........ WHY did Barclays pull the plug One Week AFTER the League's cit off date for being liable to a points deduction We are told that a Saints Supporter works at Barclays ???? .... if so, was he so completely THICK as to not realise the implications ........ ...... Lowe's involvement comes into play here ...... HE was fully aware of what would happen should we go into Admin AFTER the date ....... That is a question i would love to be answered. The club having the plug pulled was as much a surprise to RL as any I think you will find Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 I had a funny dream the other night that Barclays were presented with two cheques named to Lowe and Wilde for over £600,000 each and presented when we were overdrawn to the Bank in excess of £100,000.....I thought I'd heard from some gossip in a pub in the London from some bank employees...Not heard it before? But after making some enquiries I have reached the stage....Would this be true? Would they be entitled to make such payments to themselves? If true is this the camel straw break Barclays Bank and Administration etc? Were they entitled to some form of pay out/pension or whatever? As it is just a dream I really can't make head nor tail of it....Wish I could find those Bank Financial peeps in real life. What has this got to do with Creditors and our current problems....Waiting for my next dream.....Would like that to show a BLOOOODY BIG painting od two cheques made out to Rupes and Wildey for lots of dosh and stamped RETURN TO SENDER..Better than a TRAIN. Luv my dreams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 That is a question i would love to be answered. The club having the plug pulled was as much a surprise to RL as any I think you will find That's the problem with being drugged by one's own perception of how wonderful and right one is. One becomes blinded to the subtle nuances of any other's actions or inactions and in doing so perceives that one is unassailable. Then the aroma of coffee tends to waken one very sharply from one's own dreams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxi_sopez Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 Has "The Farmer" said anything, he the only really one ITK on here and surely he can give us an update? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Lynam Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 Hello guys A brief message by request to clarify something which some people may be misunderstanding. There is an outstanding matter with the Football League regarding a clause we are being asked to sign which affects our membership status to the league itself. Given the difference of opinion, no agreement was reach by the close of play yesterday, and consequently the exclusivity agreement expired (by date). That will be taken up again on Monday with the lawyers as the terms of the agreement to my mind have not been fulfilled - by the other side, so whether the agreement expired or not may make no difference. We have met our conditions, and will continue to do so. The membership to the Football League is clearly a requirement to participate in the game. As I explained to a colleague yesterday, you would not buy a Pub without a liquor license, so in the same way, you would not buy a football stadium if you couldn't play a game in it. Its as simple as that. I understand that the Football League will be reviewing the position on Monday in light of what we have discussed in private, so whilst it is perhaps easier to say, be patient, and don't "blame" the Football League nor Administrators, we all need to work together to achieve a successful outcome for all concerned. I clearly only care about one thing, putting the right people in charge of the Club. But we are all professionals and need to maintain our professionalism in order that this matter is resolved in a timely fashion - and it will be. There are a couple of legal issues which came to light over the last couple of days - information which we were previously not aware of. I don't believe that these will be difficult to resolve, rather just a couple of issues that need to be put to bed the by lawyers. Have a nice weekend - and don't worry, we'll have these issues out of the way very shortly. Kind regards Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 Thanks Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graymalkin33 Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 Thanks - i can now logoff til Monday lol Good Luck to you Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Headed Jesus Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 Hello guys A brief message by request to clarify something which some people may be misunderstanding. There is an outstanding matter with the Football League regarding a clause we are being asked to sign which affects our membership status to the league itself. Given the difference of opinion, no agreement was reach by the close of play yesterday, and consequently the exclusivity agreement expired (by date). That will be taken up again on Monday with the lawyers as the terms of the agreement to my mind have not been fulfilled - by the other side, so whether the agreement expired or not may make no difference. We have met our conditions, and will continue to do so. The membership to the Football League is clearly a requirement to participate in the game. As I explained to a colleague yesterday, you would not buy a Pub without a liquor license, so in the same way, you would not buy a football stadium if you couldn't play a game in it. Its as simple as that. I understand that the Football League will be reviewing the position on Monday in light of what we have discussed in private, so whilst it is perhaps easier to say, be patient, and don't "blame" the Football League nor Administrators, we all need to work together to achieve a successful outcome for all concerned. I clearly only care about one thing, putting the right people in charge of the Club. But we are all professionals and need to maintain our professionalism in order that this matter is resolved in a timely fashion - and it will be. There are a couple of legal issues which came to light over the last couple of days - information which we were previously not aware of. I don't believe that these will be difficult to resolve, rather just a couple of issues that need to be put to bed the by lawyers. Have a nice weekend - and don't worry, we'll have these issues out of the way very shortly. Kind regards Tony Cheers Tony, helpful update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 Thanks again tony - this is such a breath of fresh air - we're not used to being kept in the loop like this! Seriously, all the best - you're doing a great job. I really really hope we can start thinking about football matters soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 Thanks again Tony, that's very reassuring and I'm sure everyone on here appreciates you taking the time to keep us informed. Well done to you ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 He really is a good guy, isn't he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 TLs latest update is somewhat reasurring. I would suggest the hysterical speculation stop for the time being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 In light of this message I also feel that any further emails to the FL might be counter productive or at best a waste of time. Time to be patient and stay cool ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windy Miller Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 Lets hope all goes to plan on Monday. I agree with the approach taken - as I mentioned many moons ago on one of my infrequent posts the new owners don't want to be in the position Nick Owen & Co found at Luton when they took over. As I understand if you exit administration incorrectly (according to FL criteria) then a further points punishment awaits. Hence instead of -10 pts you could be looking at -30pts. Anyway F1 qualifying and the British Lions awaits... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 thanks for keeping us in the loop, you've done more in the last 3 weeks than the last bloke did in eleven years! But, why, afetr 21 daays do issues suddenly spring up? Thats the bit i struggle with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 If TL carries on as he has so far we may have somebody on the board who can be liked (MLT is that and always will be of course). Little things like this go a long way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 thanks for keeping us in the loop, you've done more in the last 3 weeks than the last bloke did in eleven years! But, why, afetr 21 daays do issues suddenly spring up? Thats the bit i struggle with. Took me 10 months to buy my house due to various unforseens - and the club /company is infinitely more complicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary r Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 cheers tony, maybe we are all reading to much into whats going on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarb101 Posted 20 June, 2009 Share Posted 20 June, 2009 thanks for keeping us in the loop, you've done more in the last 3 weeks than the last bloke did in eleven years! I agree 100% with these comments. Looking forward to the result that we are all looking for on Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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