TopGun Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 (edited) JP is calling good shots, seemingly telling the playing employees who have no interest in Saints to bugger off pronto. I fully expect to see Skacel and BWP offloaded before the transfer deadline. But which players signed by Saints have most cynically and deliberately taken the club for a ride? My vote goes to David Speedie. Though some of Burley's signings follow close behind (II fits a bill for me). Edited 30 August, 2008 by TopGun Refining the Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 Redknapp by a mile. I can still never quite shake my paranoia that he was Agent Arry all along Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumuah Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 Kerry Dixon, Ali Dia, Paul Rideout, Speedie (as mentioned above), Perry Groves, George Burley (alright, I know the question said players, but he is worthy of a mention), to some extent Mark Hughes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oz Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 pahars and delgado would take some beating and oh lowe of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 pahars and delgado would take some beating and oh lowe of course! Pahars gave us alot of good memories imo Redcrap for me, over all the others his attitude was far more detrimental to our club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 Pahars? what the ****, seriously. He was worth every penny just for those goals when he first arrived and saved us and that goal against the Skates. Or his great goal against United... so many memories, I can't believe anyone could mention him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 Wilde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 Guy Askham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 Pahars? what the ****, seriously. He was worth every penny just for those goals when he first arrived and saved us and that goal against the Skates. Or his great goal against United... so many memories, I can't believe anyone could mention him. No, I agree with Oz that Pahars sold us short, and more importantly, he sold himself short. When he first arrived he was hungry and was brilliant, but once he got comfortable, he barely played for 2-3 years, always picking up a virus or a niggling injury. If he had more cojones and played during our relegation season, we might have fared a little better than we did. The fact that he went to Famagusta in Cyprus and was released suggests his heart was never in it once he made a few bob. When you compare him with the character and determination of Michael Svensson, then Killer earns my respect hands down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToreSF Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 Hassan Kachloul. Made me belive in karma. Bad karma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 30 August, 2008 Author Share Posted 30 August, 2008 I agree Pahars was fair weather but not so sure he was cynical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 JP is calling good shots, seemingly telling the playing employees who have no interest in Saints to bugger off pronto. I fully expect to see Skacel and BWP offloaded before the transfer deadline. But which players signed by Saints have most cynically and deliberately taken the club for a ride? My vote goes to David Speedie. Though some of Burley's signings follow close behind (II fits a bill for me). Sorry, what on Earth makes you think that? Or do you just believe everything you read on the OS and think that anyone who wasn't in our youth team last season is an overpaid journeyman? And Pahars, I mean seriously. Yes the bloke needed treatment every time he broke wind, but how can anyone claim it was deliberate. Like Killer he made numerous attempts to come back and break into the first team for about 4 years. What basis is there for saying he was any less determined? And how exactly to you fake ankle ligament damage? It's the same with Powell, II and Belmadi. All injury prone, but you can't exactly claim it was deliberate. For me, the answer has to be Redknapp and Wilde. Also Burley clearly wasn't interested in his last season here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulstersaint Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 Kerry Dixon and David Speedie by a mile, followed by Perry Groves, Stuart Ripley, Mark Hughes, Idiakez and Skacel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulstersaint Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 And Oliver Bernard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffo Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 Ali Dia and Delgado. We were taken as mugs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 ...Paul Rideout,...Mark Hughes This is the same Paul Rideout who was often brilliant for Saints..? And Mark Hughes was at the end of his career. I think he did his bit. By all means have your [players] Ali Dia, Delgado, etc.. and [boardroom] Guy Askham. But let's not include players who did the Shirt some justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 Jamie Redknapp Only here because Daddy gave him his final payday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 Jamie Redknapp Only here because Daddy gave him his final payday. Much as I like any excuse to have a go at Bagpuss, Jr was already getting paid handsomely at Spuds. I doubt he gained anything financially moving to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 Ripley and that bald vvanker Draper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Karloff Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 Was Jamie that bad? I know nobody likes his dad, but I think Jr gave it his all. It's just a shame his knees had gone and he probably wasn't the best player to play alongside Quashie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1Minus10 Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 Kerry Dixon, Ali Dia, Paul Rideout, Speedie (as mentioned above), Perry Groves, George Burley (alright, I know the question said players, but he is worthy of a mention), to some extent Mark Hughes Mark Hughes.... you never saw the Dellhurst Park game then. Hughes was 36, playing out of position in midfield and he was the single biggest reason we won that day along with Chris Marsden. i don;t believe Hughes ever gave less than 100% in any game he ever played in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenilworthy Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 Kerry Dixon and David Speedie by a mile, followed by Perry Groves, Stuart Ripley, Mark Hughes, Idiakez and Skacel. I don't think it's fair to include Groves. He can hardly help rupturing his achilles tendon and ending his career while playing for us can he? In the dozen or so games he did play he looked the business. And as for Speedie, nasty toe rag as he is. Whose fault was it that he came to the Dell? Branfoot insisted on him as part of the Shearer deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 Ali Dia and Delgado. We were taken as mugs Those are the two players who stand out for the title for me too. Of course Ru**rt and his trusted traitor Wi**e lead the pack when it comes to management (although the word "management" may be a misnomer in their case) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 And Pahars, I mean seriously. Yes the bloke needed treatment every time he broke wind, but how can anyone claim it was deliberate I knew several people inside the club during Pahars lost years and they made no secret of the fact that he had lost the desire to play. He was just happy to pick up his wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 Rory delap without a doubt, he was just here for the wages, never put any effort in and was our record signing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 Hassan Kachloul. Made me belive in karma. Bad karma. Not fair. Kachloul played his heart out for us while he was here but decided to move for the big bucks. He might have sold Villa short, but not us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 Mark Hughes.... you never saw the Dellhurst Park game then. Hughes was 36, playing out of position in midfield and he was the single biggest reason we won that day along with Chris Marsden. i don;t believe Hughes ever gave less than 100% in any game he ever played in I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxemburg89 Posted 31 August, 2008 Share Posted 31 August, 2008 No, I agree with Oz that Pahars sold us short, and more importantly, he sold himself short. When he first arrived he was hungry and was brilliant, but once he got comfortable, he barely played for 2-3 years, always picking up a virus or a niggling injury. If he had more cojones and played during our relegation season, we might have fared a little better than we did. The fact that he went to Famagusta in Cyprus and was released suggests his heart was never in it once he made a few bob. When you compare him with the character and determination of Michael Svensson, then Killer earns my respect hands down ****ing ********, absolute nonsense. Did you see his lap of the pitch on the last day of 05/06??? Of course his heart was in it, watch the interview on SpanishSaints.com. He was willing to take a 66.6% wage cut to play for us and Burley wouldn't have it. Players can't help having injury problems, I mean he was brilliant every time he came back for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 31 August, 2008 Share Posted 31 August, 2008 Stuart Ripley wihout a doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpb Posted 31 August, 2008 Share Posted 31 August, 2008 Hassan Kachloul. Made me belive in karma. Bad karma. He turned our season round when he joined - not just my opinion, there were 11 999 others at Dellhurst Park many of them wearing a fez in his honour. Perhaps you were thinking of Mark Draper... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynameisthehulk Posted 31 August, 2008 Share Posted 31 August, 2008 Kerry Dixon, Ali Dia, Paul Rideout, Speedie (as mentioned above), Perry Groves, George Burley (alright, I know the question said players, but he is worthy of a mention), to some extent Mark Hughes What did Tiredout ever do wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 31 August, 2008 Share Posted 31 August, 2008 ****ing ********, absolute nonsense. Did you see his lap of the pitch on the last day of 05/06??? Of course his heart was in it, watch the interview on SpanishSaints.com. He was willing to take a 66.6% wage cut to play for us and Burley wouldn't have it. Players can't help having injury problems, I mean he was brilliant every time he came back for us. Most of the time Pahars had an attitude problem, not an injury problem. I don't doubt he had genuine injuries, but equally he had far to many viruses and toothaches for my liking. In the early years he was the Latvian Micheal Owen and saved us from relegation without a doubt, in the later years he was a work-shy mallingerer. Of course he would take a 66% pay cut, that's still 33% for not playing. The guy had more come backs than a Danish porn star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 31 August, 2008 Share Posted 31 August, 2008 The medical staff who failed to find the long running injuries fitness doubts regarding some of the players we signed or in many of the cases the Directors/Management who ignored the medical grey area. Player example.... Groves,Ripley,Draper,Redknapp Jnr. Bernard, McAnn,Speedie,Dixon etc etc and in my opinion they do not even convince me as reasonable gambles. Lets hope Pulis proves his fitness one day before he then manages a game or two to prove his football ability.. Wages we could not afford for someone who is not available for at least 6-12 weeks....Very strange in my opinion.But before some of you start I am hoping to be proved wrong but this sums up Saints of recent times. And NO Davies did not want to leave until Saints told him and his agent he was not really wanted ie we needed the money Fair enough then... Again my opinion and NO I do not give a damn re Directors but some STRANGE going ons at the ok coral.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Shot Posted 31 August, 2008 Share Posted 31 August, 2008 Colin Clarke once he wanted away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 1 September, 2008 Share Posted 1 September, 2008 Kerry Dixon, Ali Dia, Paul Rideout, Speedie (as mentioned above), Perry Groves, George Burley (alright, I know the question said players, but he is worthy of a mention), to some extent Mark Hughes Absolutely diabolical including Paul Rideout in a list of 'cheaters'! 19 league goals in 68 starts isn't bad and he looked good in a forward line that included Rod Wallace, MLT and Shearer. He often got hurt going in where most wouldn't. That tosser Branfoot sold him cheaply and can't blame Rideout for being ****ed off - it was the second time Saints had said 'no thanks' to him having let him go at 16 - probably why some years later, aged 37, he scored a hat-trick against us in a cup match. Shame on you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintkiptanui Posted 1 September, 2008 Share Posted 1 September, 2008 Redcrap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 1 September, 2008 Share Posted 1 September, 2008 Kevin Phillips' Wife Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 1 September, 2008 Share Posted 1 September, 2008 ****ing ********, absolute nonsense. Did you see his lap of the pitch on the last day of 05/06??? Of course his heart was in it, watch the interview on SpanishSaints.com. He was willing to take a 66.6% wage cut to play for us and Burley wouldn't have it. Players can't help having injury problems, I mean he was brilliant every time he came back for us. Yeah whatever. You know best. I guess all the people at the club that I knew at the time were liars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 1 September, 2008 Share Posted 1 September, 2008 Guy Askham My top pick as well. Him, Wiseman, Richards and all of the "biscuit tin" era. They put in the square root of **** all in and took millions out. Askham must be nearing meeting his maker now and I will not keep quiet during his minute's silence at SMS! In terms of players, I cannot believe people have cited Pahars, Hughes, Rideout, Hassan and others. Pahars - the club would be in the BSP now, or worse, had he not scored those goals at the end of 98-99. I will never forget the peach of a goal against the skates, we haven't got a player on our books now good enough to tie Marian's shoes when he was at his best. Hughes - was still a fantastic player, even in midfield. I remember him and Franny celebrating like mad at the final whistle at Dellhurst. Hassan - came on a free, scored goals from midfield and fulfilled his contract. He probably wishes he'd stayed and not gone to Villa but such is life. Rideout said some silly things when left a bit like Phillips but more out of frustration with Branfoot and Askham - can you blame him? Redknapp Jnr played through awful knee pain for Saints, I can't stand his old man but Jamie didn't need the money and could have stayed on more money at Spurs. Speedie was a total waste of time, Dia for the publicity stunt. Delgado was a right one and Dixon spent more time at the bookies than on the pitch. Redknapp Snr didn't give a toss and has to a prime candidate as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 1 September, 2008 Share Posted 1 September, 2008 Rory delap without a doubt, he was just here for the wages, never put any effort in and was our record signing I think Rory gave 100%, he was played out of position and not his fault Gray didn't know what the heck he was doing. Not our best player and was crap in 04/05 but hardly alone was he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 1 September, 2008 Share Posted 1 September, 2008 I don't think it's fair to include Groves. He can hardly help rupturing his achilles tendon and ending his career while playing for us can he? In the dozen or so games he did play he looked the business. And as for Speedie, nasty toe rag as he is. Whose fault was it that he came to the Dell? Branfoot insisted on him as part of the Shearer deal. Funny how the names Branfoot and Askham keep appearing on here. The years 1991-4 really did do SFC a lot of damage. People, me included, have had a pop at Lowe sometimes but he looks like Abramovich compared that with dark era. Branfoot inherited a decent top flight team and ruined it, Askham and co rewarded that with licence to sign more crap that we had to pay off early and a 3 year contract. The demos should have targeted Guy and Wiseman as well as Branfoot with equal ferocity in hindsight, we would have avoided the mess that followed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Karloff Posted 1 September, 2008 Share Posted 1 September, 2008 Alan McGoughlan. Our first £1m signing. I was so excited. He was so rubbish that he went back to P****y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 1 September, 2008 Share Posted 1 September, 2008 I don't think it's fair to include Groves. He can hardly help rupturing his achilles tendon and ending his career while playing for us can he? In the dozen or so games he did play he looked the business. And as for Speedie, nasty toe rag as he is. Whose fault was it that he came to the Dell? Branfoot insisted on him as part of the Shearer deal. It is well known that Perry Groves had major injury problems before arriving at Southampton. Never really fit enough to play competitive game and that is one of the reasons further injury sustained. We knew this and so did Arsenal and we gambled big time on player very few games and no way fit..stitch up.. 1st class.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 1 September, 2008 Share Posted 1 September, 2008 Marcelo Tejera, Federico Arias, Kleber Chala - all came from South America, supposedly as talented players, but I doubt they managed 90 minutes between them. I bet they weren't here on pay as you play deals either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpb Posted 1 September, 2008 Share Posted 1 September, 2008 I believe that Chala won 13 international caps one year that he was here, it would have been intersting to see him play for us but he was never picked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 1 September, 2008 Share Posted 1 September, 2008 (edited) There is no contest. The answer is Guy Askham, there must be some young posters or very uneducated people (Saints history wise) to only see his name mentioned 3 times. For actual footballers, David Hurst gets my vote. When he was injured he was in a pub telling anybody who would listen he didn't give a fook, could have returned to training ages ago, but was still getting paid, so there was no point. When someone pointed out that he shouldnt really be gobbing off like that he went for it even more, until the guy who questioned him had enough and smacked him one...... i dont think he said anything else after that. Edited 1 September, 2008 by Gemmel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 1 September, 2008 Share Posted 1 September, 2008 Alan McGoughlan. Our first £1m signing. I was so excited. He was so rubbish that he went back to P****y If you mean Alan McLoughlin, he was neither a cheat nor rubbish. He was played out of position and not really given a chance to prove himself He did prove a good player - though not a great one - elsewhere, and internationally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 1 September, 2008 Share Posted 1 September, 2008 Alan McGoughlan. Our first £1m signing. I was so excited. He was so rubbish that he went back to P****y He didn't come from Pompey, he joined us from Swindon. Although Pompey is who he went to when he left us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Karloff Posted 1 September, 2008 Share Posted 1 September, 2008 If you mean Alan McLoughlin, he was neither a cheat nor rubbish. He was played out of position and not really given a chance to prove himself He did prove a good player - though not a great one - elsewhere, and internationally. Apologies for the spelling. The thing is £1m was a lot for us in those days to spend and I think it is fair to say he never really caught fire for us. I never meant to imply he was a cheat and maybe in wrong thread, but it was just a reflection of my disappointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 1 September, 2008 Share Posted 1 September, 2008 Alan McGoughlan. Our first £1m signing. I was so excited. He was so rubbish that he went back to P****y Branfoot and Askham again - if he had played one more game they had to shell out an extra £250k or something. However, as Alan could pass a ball, control it and didn't want our goalie and full-backs to be playmakers, he was loaned and then sold to Jim Smith who knew what decent football looked like (sadly Jim was too old to remember when joining Harry a decade on). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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