Guided Missile Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Not saying it is rubbish, however my mate has not been that reliable of late as some people on here know. He posted it as a message to my mobile. IMHO, he heard there was a press conference called by Fry at 2:00PM and it's one of two outcomes, ie he has a 50:50 chance of being in the know. I'm adding to that, the fact that there is a mass sale of players at or about payday and I'm thinking that for a new owner with the backing of a multi-millionaire with money to invest and closing on the deal today, that is a very strange way to start off... In other words, I would put the odds at about 100:1 against your mate being right. No disrespect... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 I'm adding to that, the fact that there is a mass sale of players at or about payday and I'm thinking that for a new owner with the backing of a multi-millionaire with money to invest and closing on the deal today, that is a very strange way to start off.... GM, FF has stated he has had contact from the Police re a post on here, did you have a similar threat over you which prompted your Humble Pie thread ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 (edited) IMHO, he heard there was a press conference called by Fry at 2:00PM and it's one of two outcomes, ie he has a 50:50 chance of being in the know. I'm adding to that, the fact that there is a mass sale of players at or about payday and I'm thinking that for a new owner with the backing of a multi-millionaire with money to invest and closing on the deal today, that is a very strange way to start off... In other words, I would put the odds at about 100:1 against your mate being right. No disrespect... As posted yesterday, I understand from a very good source that an 'announcement is imminent' -there will be a sale. Reading between the lines its probably not Pinnacle. Flogging a bunch of players in the run-up isnt inconsistent with any of this. Edited 30 June, 2009 by shurlock spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 In other words, I would put the odds at about 100:1 against your mate being right. No disrespect... None taken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo_michele Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 As posted yesterday, I understand from a very good source that an 'announcement is imminent' -there will be a sale. Reading between the lines its probably not Pinnacle. Flogging a bunch of players in the run-up isnt inconsistent with any of this. Reading are involved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 IMHO, he heard there was a press conference called by Fry at 2:00PM and it's one of two outcomes, ie he has a 50:50 chance of being in the know. I'm adding to that, the fact that there is a mass sale of players at or about payday and I'm thinking that for a new owner with the backing of a multi-millionaire with money to invest and closing on the deal today, that is a very strange way to start off... In other words, I would put the odds at about 100:1 against your mate being right. No disrespect... your right of course but at least its something to cling to today rather than radio silence. God im ****ed off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 GM, FF has stated he has had contact from the Police re a post on here, did you have a similar threat over you which prompted your Humble Pie thread ? No, I haven't heard from the police, for the simple reason that we are not living in Iran. Another possible reason is that posting facts, that are publically available and forming an opinion based on those facts then posting it, is still legal in this country, as far as I know. I did have a veiled threat from Mike Wilde, via Keith Legg, but when I provided my lawyers name and contact details, he went very quiet. If an email that Duncan posted on here was obtained and there is a claim of breach of confidentiality, I suggest that Tony Lynam should review the initial circulation list of that email to provide to his lawyers, in order to consider a civil lawsuit. That he thinks that there is a criminal law issue involved and that he can simply phone 999 for the police to sort it out demonstrates his capability to run a multi-million pound enterprise. As far as the humble pie thread, it was posted when we had been assured that Lynam et al would complete, at the latest, by today. I am still fully expecting this, as now is the time to support, not sabotage. Any posts that were made prior to this, by me, I stand by 100%, with the information I had to hand. As everyone knows with Mr. Lynam, the information changes daily, unfortunately... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Echo = talentless t0ssers Solent = talentless t0ssers South Today = talentless t0ssers Don't let a bunch of talentless t0ssers get you down. Smile..... it's Friday. Thank you Mr Fialka ;-) Probably not, but it cheered me up to think of that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo_michele Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 [...]forming an opinion based on those facts then posting it, is still legal in this country, as far as I know.[...] Give it time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 No, I haven't heard from the police, for the simple reason that we are not living in Iran. Another possible reason is that posting facts, that are publically available and forming an opinion based on those facts then posting it, is still legal in this country, as far as I know. I did have a veiled threat from Mike Wilde, via Keith Legg, but when I provided my lawyers name and contact details, he went very quiet. If an email that Duncan posted on here was obtained and there is a claim of breach of confidentiality, I suggest that Tony Lynam should review the initial circulation list of that email to provide to his lawyers, in order to consider a civil lawsuit. That he thinks that there is a criminal law issue involved and that he can simply phone 999 for the police to sort it out demonstrates his capability to run a multi-million pound enterprise. As far as the humble pie thread, it was posted when we had been assured that Lynam et al would complete, at the latest, by today. I am still fully expecting this, as now is the time to support, not sabotage. Any posts that were made prior to this, by me, I stand by 100%, with the information I had to hand. As everyone knows with Mr. Lynam, the information changes daily, unfortunately... CS thinks GM touched someone's nerves.....head on the nail so to speak. Radio silence since tho from Pinnacle. One other thing I thought of over breakfast..it wasn't really a good move for TL to name the consortium after his own business interests was it? Now, if it does go t1ts up, which I hope it won't but this is Saints after all....his other firms will be tarnished by the whole episode...could explain his reluctance to give up on it if that is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-til-i-die Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 I pray to god this hasn't all been a major hoax. A seriously concerned Saints fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 I believe someone and possibly that includes Pinnacle too, is playing brinkmanship since Fry made his statement last week. I would go as far as to suggest Leon Crouch as he confirmed he is part of the Pinnacle bid. But perhaps this was his, or their game plan all along. The sticking point with Pinnacle is to get an assurance that there would be no further points deductions. I believe once this was assured their plan would swing into action with, for example, Leon Crouch. If Fry carries out his threat to wind up the club then surely we will have a Leeds type situation. This would then present a situation where the sale price or price acceptable by the creditors would spectacularly drop. In steps Leon Crouch, does a deal with Fry for small change and Pinnacle's orginal plan will have succeeded. However, at the same time, nothing is to stop others such a Comrade Lowe and the Wicked Wilde doing something similar. Somehow, I'm coming round to seeing such a scenario. Thoughts, anyone?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Lowe buying the club for a pound! Scary but also likely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 As far as the humble pie thread, it was posted when we had been assured that Lynam et al would complete, at the latest, by today. I am still fully expecting this, as now is the time to support, not sabotage. Any posts that were made prior to this, by me, I stand by 100%, with the information I had to hand. As everyone knows with Mr. Lynam, the information changes daily, unfortunately... Nothings changed. He wheeled out his money man for the whole world to see. A man we were told at the time was the one and only money man. A man that would be well known to many. Since then the story has been stretched beyhond belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 I believe someone and possibly that includes Pinnacle too, is playing brinkmanship since Fry made his statement last week. I would go as far as to suggest Leon Crouch as he confirmed he is part of the Pinnacle bid. But perhaps this was his, or their game plan all along. The sticking point with Pinnacle is to get an assurance that there would be no further points deductions. I believe once this was assured their plan would swing into action with, for example, Leon Crouch. If Fry carries out his threat to wind up the club then surely we will have a Leeds type situation. This would then present a situation where the sale price or price acceptable by the creditors would spectacularly drop. In steps Leon Crouch, does a deal with Fry for small change and Pinnacle's orginal plan will have succeeded. However, at the same time, nothing is to stop others such a Comrade Lowe and the Wicked Wilde doing something similar. Somehow, I'm coming round to seeing such a scenario. Thoughts, anyone?! Or it could be that Leon found out that Pinnacle didn't really have a pot to pee in and walked off site. My thoughts are that he will return with Salz on a white charger...and Pinnacle have been rushing around trying to find someone with a pot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 I believe someone and possibly that includes Pinnacle too, is playing brinkmanship since Fry made his statement last week. I would go as far as to suggest Leon Crouch as he confirmed he is part of the Pinnacle bid. But perhaps this was his, or their game plan all along. The sticking point with Pinnacle is to get an assurance that there would be no further points deductions. I believe once this was assured their plan would swing into action with, for example, Leon Crouch. If Fry carries out his threat to wind up the club then surely we will have a Leeds type situation. This would then present a situation where the sale price or price acceptable by the creditors would spectacularly drop. In steps Leon Crouch, does a deal with Fry for small change and Pinnacle's orginal plan will have succeeded. However, at the same time, nothing is to stop others such a Comrade Lowe and the Wicked Wilde doing something similar. Somehow, I'm coming round to seeing such a scenario. Thoughts, anyone?![/QUOTE] I've had such thoughts since Barclays/Lowe forced us into Admin ...... but, as usual, no one on here thought it remotely possible that The Devil's Alliance would return under any circumstances Whatever DOES happen, and if, remotely, Saints are still in existance after Friday ..... we will be starting on -25 ...... FACT... ( with very few players ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Or it could be that Leon found out that Pinnacle didn't really have a pot to pee in and walked off site. My thoughts are that he will return with Salz on a white charger...and Pinnacle have been rushing around trying to find someone with a pot.[/QUOTE] It's not the Pot that is the problem ......... they have run out of P*ss .....y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Engine Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 I believe someone and possibly that includes Pinnacle too, is playing brinkmanship since Fry made his statement last week. I would go as far as to suggest Leon Crouch as he confirmed he is part of the Pinnacle bid. But perhaps this was his, or their game plan all along. The sticking point with Pinnacle is to get an assurance that there would be no further points deductions. I believe once this was assured their plan would swing into action with, for example, Leon Crouch. If Fry carries out his threat to wind up the club then surely we will have a Leeds type situation. This would then present a situation where the sale price or price acceptable by the creditors would spectacularly drop. In steps Leon Crouch, does a deal with Fry for small change and Pinnacle's orginal plan will have succeeded. However, at the same time, nothing is to stop others such a Comrade Lowe and the Wicked Wilde doing something similar. Somehow, I'm coming round to seeing such a scenario. Thoughts, anyone?! The few facts that have emerged are quite consistent with a plan whereby Pinnacle have been put into to bat to p1$$ about for 4 weeks in order to drive the club into liquidation and hence make the assets of the club available at a far lower price to whoever is orchestrating the bigger picture. It's possible and anyone (you know who I mean) could be behind such a plan. Will you please stop looking over my shoulder whilst I'm typing - thank you!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinhk Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 I think I will stay calm until the end of today. If nothing happens then it is clear Matt LeTissier has been led up the garden path and used by a manipulative Lynam and his so called investors. This delay has led to the breaking up of SFC and the damage done in the last week or so may well put off other investors. In my opinion the fire sale is not for wages but a pool of money for the creditors as the club is broken up and liquidated. Salz may be able to pick up the pieces but I doubt in Div 1. Difficult to stay calm isn't it!!!!!!! We were told that Matt and Tony were good friends, so isn't it rather unlikely that TL has intentionally misled MLT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 it seems my negativity know no bounds pass the razor blade when your all done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 (edited) We were told that Matt and Tony were good friends, so isn't it rather unlikely that TL has intentionally misled MLT? I think 'were' could be the most crucial part of that statement if this thing falls apart...basically if it doesn't go through, Matt's mate has made him look a right t1t.(and I'm not happy about that) The Dynamic Duo just before a meeting with Fry... Edited 30 June, 2009 by Channon's Sideburns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 I agree Art, the sum of buying the pieces will be lower than the sum of buying the whole. Buying the pieces is risky because you may not be able to buy all the bits, someone might beat you to an essential part. Also, you may not actually want all the parts anyway so just buying the bits you want makes better sense. Buying some of the bits and letting others buy other bits may be good practice. For example, a property company might make a better job of owning the stadium and making full use of the facility than the football club owner who, in turn might be pleased to be relieved of the problems of owning the stadium and be happy to pay a rent for using the stadium rather than a seemingly never ending mortgage. As fas as the player sales are concerned, again, this might be what a potential owner of the football club wants. The current set up has failed, many players want out and may have clauses in contracts that are not in line with our League 1 position. If these players leave and some money comes in then the value of the team goes down so you pay less to buy the club in the break up situation. That leaves you more to buy in fresh faces and to completely rejuvenate things. The down side to this is, of course, the creditors may be offered less and they might cause more problems with the league when a CVA is needed. But if we are -10 then promotion this year would be unlikely so -25 is not much worse, you are aiming for a minimum of say 66 points (22 wins out of 46 matches) to stay in League 1 this year and so put the past behind you before starting to regain ground next year. Hanging on for 'break up' and bargains saves money but is risky but I reckon the 'players' concerned in this on all sides have thought these strategies through and are prepared to go to the very limit to save money now to spend later. That's why the three 'amigos' could never sell, the cost of buying their shares just diluted the funds then available to invest in success. I never did like poker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 The few facts that have emerged are quite consistent with a plan whereby Pinnacle have been put into to bat to p1$$ about for 4 weeks in order to drive the club into liquidation and hence make the assets of the club available at a far lower price to whoever is orchestrating the bigger picture. It's possible and anyone (you know who I mean) could be behind such a plan. Will you please stop looking over my shoulder whilst I'm typing - thank you!!!! The prospect of a further 15 point deduction may be a significant fact that destroys that argument, TBH. It may be worth looking at Luton Town to see where your theory may take us.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 So sod all is still happening then is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 All we can do is wait and hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evo Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Anyone seen Trousers lately? :-k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringwood Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 why would anyone sell the club for a £1, especially to someone like Lowe, who would have to borrow the money and that's where the problems started, ie borrowed money if the takeover is to happen I would think that the fact that SFC have just sold an asset worth £1m then the price for the SFC has dropped by the same amount. this will be another excuse to not complete as 'admin' have now moved the goalposts !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 i missed it, contained an e-mail i am led to believe? would happily receive a copy via PM FF Ditto if possible please FF...thanks Or it could be that Leon found out that Pinnacle didn't really have a pot to pee in and walked off site. Are these three posts related? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 why would anyone sell the club for a £1, especially to someone like Lowe, who would have to borrow the money and that's where the problems started, ie borrowed money if the takeover is to happen I would think that the fact that SFC have just sold an asset worth £1m then the price for the SFC has dropped by the same amount. this will be another excuse to not complete as 'admin' have now moved the goalposts !!! I don't think the FL would view a "sale" for a £1 as being acceptable Bates did it at Leeds ........ but the FL will not let it happen again, IF the Football Club expects to be allowed in the League Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 We were told that Matt and Tony were good friends, so isn't it rather unlikely that TL has intentionally misled MLT? We have been told several things along the way that have made this bid sound all 'cosy', and promising.I don't think we can take the early indications and information to have been written in a tablet of salt. "Several hundred million",one investor or consortium ?How often has that particular facet of the bid changed ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Are these three posts related? Nope...haven't received anything from FF, I suspect he's holding his counsel until the end of today (as per his post last night). That is the god's honest truth - my thoughts on Leon walking are just my own personal opinion following what we HAVE been told, and the speculation on here. I feel that Leon seems to have taken a notable step back over the last week or so..which could coincide with Pinnacle's relentless stalling and the presentation of Mr Fialka when they were up against the wall... Just my hunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 We have been told several things along the way that have made this bid sound all 'cosy', and promising.I don't think we can take the early indications and information to have been written in a tablet of salt. "Several hundred million",one investor or consortium ?How often has that particular facet of the bid changed ? Matt Le Tiss and Lynam know each other from charity golf events. Pinnacle have sponsored some and i believe this is where they know each other from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjk Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 What gets me is the number of times they've said they expect to complete within 24 or 48 hours and even within hours and still nothings happened.How can they keep saying this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Matt Le Tiss and Lynam know each other from charity golf events. Pinnacle have sponsored some and i believe this is where they know each other from. Oh Lie-nam does some charity gold work does he Tris? He's kept that quiet..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 We were told that Matt and Tony were good friends, so isn't it rather unlikely that TL has intentionally misled MLT? And so is guy whittingham! TL has got drunk on the limelight and has now closed the curtains, trying to shrug off the hangover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 What gets me is the number of times they've said they expect to complete within 24 or 48 hours and even within hours and still nothings happened.How can they keep saying this. They have until the close of business today. Failure to complete by then OR a statement from Fry that rekindles hope, will result in me losing faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 They have until the close of business today. Failure to complete by then OR a statement from Fry that rekindles hope, will result in me losing faith. So soon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Anything interesting happen while I was sat in a field in Somerset for the weekend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Solent have just said that Pinnacle meeting with Fry this morning.. Put up or Shut Up time me thinks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draino76 Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 We're now nearly on page 69 of this Fred. (Teee hee hee). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Anything interesting happen while I was sat in a field in Somerset for the weekend? Hampshire qualified for T20 quarter Finals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxy Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Anything interesting happen while I was sat in a field in Somerset for the weekend? Little new information so we have been busily spiralling into ever deepening misery. Same as ever really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 On teletext now..........Notts county supporters trust have given a thumbs up to their clubs takeover by a Middle Eastern consortium...Munto Finance Ltd. Chairman John Armstrong-Holmes.." we are all excited by where Munto could take us, this is a historic landmark for our famous club"......:( Words I like to hear today.......With Saints:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Anything interesting happen while I was sat in a field in Somerset for the weekend? Well..hell has frozen over...MLT's on Countdown with Stelling...we're closer to oblivion than before....DmcG has gone up north, Kelv's going East, Surman's going Brummie.... Marvellous really... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Re the takeover nothing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Solent have just said that Pinnacle meeting with Fry this morning.. Put up or Shut Up time me thinks... Well they better hurry then, there'e not much of it left! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Anyone seen Trousers lately? :-k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Hampshire qualified for T20 quarter Finals Ah good news, looking forward to coming back for the final doh that put the mockers on that. And finally before I rush to the airport for my flight back to Dubai, did anything come of those worrying rumours that were around about Pinnacle that some of us got a lot of stick about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 We have been told several things along the way that have made this bid sound all 'cosy', and promising.I don't think we can take the early indications and information to have been written in a tablet of salt. "Several hundred million",one investor or consortium ?How often has that particular facet of the bid changed ? Maybe they were talking about Japenese Yen or more likely Rhodesian Pounds/Dollars or whatever their currency is, which would probably tie in with Fialka's piggy bank money Last post of the day, had been saving it for a big Whey Hey, ere' we go knees up post, but buggered if I'm going to stay on here F5ing every 2 mins. Think I'll go and cool down outside in the 42c sunshine, I'm getting a bit over heated and hot under the collar sat in front of the computer in an a/c controlled room :cool: See you all in 2 mins then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 I actually feel physically sick - pathetic isn't it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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