Shroppie Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 I think us lot on here are giving TL more grief than the FL at the moment. Perhaps we should chill out if at all possible and stop endlessly covering old ground of which we have limited knowledge about (myself included btw). Agreed. I will attempt to chill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 But it will always be tomorrow ? Friday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 I have to agree with that totally, but fear the League have made up their mind that the -10 is fair and justified, even if it doesn't actually fit witin the letter of their rules. I would like to be reassured that this will not be be a deal-breaker, but appreciate that I'm unlikely to get that. I think that's the crux. It may well be that the Fl's own rules do give us gtrounds for a potentially successful appeal, but the league naturally want us to accept teh punsihment as they see it as within the spirit of the rules and the most 'sporting' decision. I would suspect that a compromsie will eb possible, given that because of the uniqueness of the situation that SFC cannot agree CVA aswe are technically not in administration, some sort of agreement with respect to this would need to be reached so we dont leave the dorr open to further points deductions down the line if accepting the -10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 (edited) Thanks for the update... and before you get the wrong impression, I think its born out of the frustration of these last two years let alone the last few months! ;-) Most I think would agree that waiving a right of appeal is NOT in the best interests of the club, but maybe feel that given the current situation, and whatever the legal technicalties, seeing a confirmation of our survival and the unveiling of the new owner/s and teh positive sthis would bring are in some ways more imporatnt to fans right now than the 10 points - which given the wave of renewed optimism and support could be overcome anyway with the right management in place.... The frustration is not helped by the Football leagues stance as you mention, why insist on no right of appeal if the case is solid anyway - I suspect because in the cold light of legal scrutiny the club may have a techical case, but do we have the stomach for such a fight? There is alos the greater good of the game to consider... the impact that a successful appeal could have on the league and other clubs - I know its not fashionable to consider anything but our own position, but it would be hypocritical of me to condem the the way the game has evolved in terms finace and what this has done to stiffle true sporting competition, if not accepting that sometimes its perhaps better to take one on the chin for the greater good and maintain the moral high ground? Whatever, I am sure you and your team and advisors will be doing all you can for a successful resoltion and I wish you all the very best in your negotiations. Thanks for the graft these last months. It is appreciated. Frank As usual, a lot of sense in there Frank. I, like you, (and most here) really just want to get on to the important issue of Football. However, lets look at it from Pinnacles point of view for a moment, and take a more protracted view of the situation. They naturally want to get the best possible deal - obviously that would be starting on a level playing field with no points deducted. As a consequence they have decided that the right of appeal should stand. Now take a slightly longer view of the situation as well. What if, next (this) season, we actually manage to get into a play off position - but fail to gain promotion. It is very likely that those points would've gained us an automatic place. All hypothetical, I know, but if it happened, then would we, the fans, not be asking why Pinnacle did not fight for the right of appeal? I think we would. I'm pretty sure that Pinnacle will complete the deal - they just want the best for themselves, the team and the fans. In order to get that we need to keep our nerve and remain a little more patient. Oh and BTW - I agree with your sentiments with regard to MJ - he needs to stay away while, how shall we say, 'the preferred' bidders do business. Edited 22 June, 2009 by Micky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Solent said it was Crouch who paid the exclusivity money and not Pinnacle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Solent said it was Crouch who paid the exclusivity money and not Pinnacle? I have a feeling he will be involved in some capacity and will probably have a place on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Notice that 3pm Echo update to the article that has been there all day indicates that the FL meeting is finished and that pinnacle expect clarification shortly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Im concerned about this now. The FL have made their ruling and they arent going to chage it just becuase someone has taken us over. Why should they and what sort of can of worms does it open If this mystery buyer does have cash to spend we ought to be one of the best teams in L1 next season and if that means we take time to rebuild the club and it takes a few years to get back into the CC then so be it Pinnacle have next to no chance of getting this reversed and its a bit odd how they seem to believe they can do? Just buy it and get on with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Right, just got back, i am nakered. Had my ham sandwich and am pretty confused. Can anybody please sum up what i have missed today ?? (if anything) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Im concerned about this now. The FL have made their ruling and they arent going to chage it just becuase someone has taken us over. Why should they and what sort of can of worms does it open If this mystery buyer does have cash to spend we ought to be one of the best teams in L1 next season and if that means we take time to rebuild the club and it takes a few years to get back into the CC then so be it Pinnacle have next to no chance of getting this reversed and its a bit odd how they seem to believe they can do? Just buy it and get on with it They probably won't get it over turned but for the sake of a couple of days i am glad they are atleast giving it a go. If it does not come off so be it, it will be minus 10 but i am glad they are attempting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 They probably won't get it over turned but for the sake of a couple of days i am glad they are atleast giving it a go. If it does not come off so be it, it will be minus 10 but i am glad they are attempting it. So I miss the point of this? Its another few days we could be getting the squad together with any new management/coaches and looking at bringing in players When theres absolutely nay chance of something why bother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Right, just got back, i am nakered. Had my ham sandwich and am pretty confused. Can anybody please sum up what i have missed today ?? (if anything) Apart from having a chuckle at CB Fry throwing a hissy fit it's been a rather disapointing and uneventful day..... again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Right, just got back, i am nakered. Had my ham sandwich and am pretty confused. Can anybody please sum up what i have missed today ?? (if anything) Sounds like the only thing you missed was mustard - ham by itself.... yuk...!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Sounds like the only thing you missed was mustard - ham by itself.... yuk...!! Can't stand mustard myself tbh. If we get an answer today though that will be the only mustard i need. The fact that nothing has happened however... does not surprise me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 (edited) So I miss the point of this? Its another few days we could be getting the squad together with any new management/coaches and looking at bringing in players When theres absolutely nay chance of something why bother? The point being for the sake of a couple of days 4 wins could be the difference between 12 points on the board or just 2. The extra 10 points if put into context would have saved us this season ?? So if at the end of the season and we end up 10 points short of automatic promotion, would you regret not waiting a few days ? HTH Edited 22 June, 2009 by Smirking_Saint Remembered some stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Engine Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Pinnacle have next to no chance of getting this reversed and its a bit odd how they seem to believe they can do? Just buy it and get on with it I think the FL thing is a smokescreen which buys them time to sort out other problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Im concerned about this now. The FL have made their ruling and they arent going to chage it just becuase someone has taken us over. Why should they and what sort of can of worms does it open If this mystery buyer does have cash to spend we ought to be one of the best teams in L1 next season and if that means we take time to rebuild the club and it takes a few years to get back into the CC then so be it Pinnacle have next to no chance of getting this reversed and its a bit odd how they seem to believe they can do? Just buy it and get on with it My sentiments entirely as a fan. However, if it was my money buying the club, I would want to make damn sure I was getting the best price I could and the -10 points could have a major impact on the club at the end of the season, if we do very well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Mary Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Just phoned FL again. Confirmation that the meeting is finished and the decision will be on the FL website in the next 2 hours according to their media dept. Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the scud Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 im off been on here all day dnt think my F5 button can handle anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the scud Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Just phoned FL again. Confirmation that the meeting is finished and the decision will be on the FL website in the next 2 hours according to their media dept. Regards i'll be back in 2 hours then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Not seen it myself, but apparently SSN has said the Football League will make an announcement at 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obelisk Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Just phoned FL again. Confirmation that the meeting is finished and the decision will be on the FL website in the next 2 hours according to their media dept. RegardsIf there's been a decision then I would hope that our team will be aware of what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Not seen it myself, but apparently SSN has said the Football League will make an announcement at 6 Can anyone confirm this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee_saint Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Can anyone confirm this? I've had SSN on in the background all day and haven't heard anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4452173.Football_League_statement_expected_shortly/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draino76 Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 **** man I can't take any more!!!!!111111ONE1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Damn them I want to go home not sit in the office hitting F5! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Just phoned FL again. Confirmation that the meeting is finished and the decision will be on the FL website in the next 2 hours according to their media dept. Regards 2 hours ???? .......... don't they consider it important then ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4452173.Football_League_statement_expected_shortly/ I can see it now... ' the football league can firm that it held an emergency meeting today with espect to teh ongoing situation with Southampton Football club. NO conclusions have been reached, but we can confirm that discussions will be ongoing until at least Friday...' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 I presume Pinnacle will not be permitted to make a statement until AFTER the FL get around to releasing theiors then ? Wouldn't want to be gazumped would they Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 2 hours ???? .......... don't they consider it important then ???? They don't consider you important. Relax, it won't make any difference to the timescale. I've learnt not to get worked up about things I can't control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Octopus Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 I feel sick!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickfinks Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 ive hit the vodka now, mind is doin overtime, F5 button is ****ged, i'm ****ged for that matter..... ah man this is awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 A sensible decision would be to say "Ok, you can appeal BUT if it fails you'll be docked a further 15 points" That way it's a small moral victory for the Pinnical led consortium, they can take over and not persue the -10 points anymore. I just want us bought out now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the scud Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 I feel sick!!!!! oh dear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Our Father.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Just in case, this link might come in handy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Charteris Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Does the Beeb know something we don't? They have us at -10 points at the bottom of League 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Is the statement being typed by someone using only their tongue then ? FFS this is beyond crazy _ I can't go home from work until this is sorted - infact I can't even leave my room to go for a pee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Is the statement being typed by someone using only their tongue then ? FFS this is beyond crazy _ I can't go home from work until this is sorted - infact I can't even leave my room to go for a pee I did, and I got away with it! Enduring image, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Where are the Football League offices? Are they in London, I could pop round now and ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintKenny Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 SSN now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mUrph Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 This just in. FL say no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spades Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Does the Beeb know something we don't? They have us at -10 points at the bottom of League 1. As it stands we are starting the league on -10... this has been the case since April. So unless you have been living under a rock since then, you should know this also. The whole point of the current goings on is trying to overturn the -10... so unless we suddenly appear to be on 0 points again, they know the same as us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 FL not allowing us to appeal - deal in jeopardy according to SSN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Octopus Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 SSN FL refuse to change position!!! No deal at moment. In jeopardy. Bad news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 The Football League **** us royally up the gary glitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 SSN reporting the FL have not changed their position on the appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StBiffa Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 w @ nkers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 they've refused to let us appeal w@nkers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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