scott_saints Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Like most I have not got a clue...Just want to get on with the football. .. :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Suspend the -10 for two years and brought into play when.... if...FL discover any knew info/evidence etc....Then it will all go away.....Would have to be very well worded press release OR there will be hell from Leeds, Luton...Pompey supporters etc.. Like most I have not got a clue...Just want to get on with the football.that is a very good idea, not sure of all the angles for and against though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fos1 Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 that is a very good idea, not sure of all the angles for and against though Nick any update on what your Bournemouth friend said about Jackson on Saturday ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 I assume they dont have to have anyone play the games but just free dates on those days for teams who play us.There will be an extra promotion this season .As for us joining the Blue squre , well i dont know if it is too late as the fixtures are sorted and you cant have lots of teams being promoted up at this late stage. it is a mess. Over past seasons, when Clubs were in Admin/Difficulties, I cannot recall ANY of them being threatened with Demotion to the Blue Square ..... So, what makes SFC such a unique case ?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Over past seasons, when Clubs were in Admin/Difficulties, I cannot recall ANY of them being threatened with Demotion to the Blue Square ..... So, what makes SFC such a unique case ??????It is a case if Pinnacle or any other does not complete we liquidate, then we will be demoted into the Blue square, it has been reported so elsewhere.I cannot believe the complacency about how dangerous times we are in. I am just as much to blame as any other in thinking we will be OK somebody will take us on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 It is a case if Pinnacle or any other does not complete we liquidate, then we will be demoted into the Blue square, it has been reported so elsewhere.I cannot believe the complacency about how dangerous times we are in. I am just as much to blame as any other in thinking we will be OK somebody will take us on. I did not appear to be complacent ........ I just did not know under what circumstances we would end up in Blue Square ....... Your litle word "liquidate" explained all In other words, IF Pinnacle take us over, we will be in Div 1 ........... starting on either 0, or -10, or -25 ..... ????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Small piece from Charles Sale in the mail today: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1194532/Charles-Sale.html "Troubled League One club Southampton are confident that they will not be docked 10 points next season for going into administration. Their lawyers believe they have a watertight case that Football league rules refer to a football club going to the wall — not the club's holding company which was the case at St Mary's. " Doesn't say anything new but it has been alleged in the past that Sale get's his SFC feeds from a certain ex-chairman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 I did not appear to be complacent ........ I just did not know under what circumstances we would end up in Blue Square ....... Your litle word "liquidate" explained all In other words, IF Pinnacle take us over, we will be in Div 1 ........... starting on either 0, or -10, or -25 ..... ?????????Im not qualified for certain but that is the way i see it. Blue square is in a meltdown scenario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Surely someone must know what time the FL meeting is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Engine Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Small piece from Charles Sale in the mail today: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1194532/Charles-Sale.html "Their lawyers believe they have a watertight case that Football league rules refer to a football club going to the wall — not the club's holding company which was the case at St Mary's. " No lawyer in his right mind could beleive that Southampton Football Club has a watertight (or indeed any) case for getting the points put back - this is nonsense/bluffing or very very poor legal advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Surely someone must know what time the FL meeting is? no idea, they make the rules up as they go. By the time they've gone to the old boys club had a few whiskies, then a long lunch they might finally get around to work some time later today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superstevesaints Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 12.30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 And I heard noon, then we'll have to wait for it to be delayed as usual, so between 12pm-1pm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Small piece from Charles Sale in the mail today: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1194532/Charles-Sale.html "Troubled League One club Southampton are confident that they will not be docked 10 points next season for going into administration. Their lawyers believe they have a watertight case that Football league rules refer to a football club going to the wall — not the club's holding company which was the case at St Mary's. " Doesn't say anything new but it has been alleged in the past that Sale get's his SFC feeds from a certain ex-chairman Plus of course it's "The Daily Grail ........" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 No lawyer in his right mind could beleive that Southampton Football Club has a watertight (or indeed any) case for getting the points put back - this is nonsense/bluffing or very very poor legal advice. So, the Sale piece in the D.Mail this morning could just be Lowe going into derriere covering mode in anticipation of the FL decision later? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Mary Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Just phoned the FL Press Office in the last 5 minutes. They haven't been told what time the meeting starts. If there is a decision today it will be posted on the FL website. Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burger Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Just phoned the FL Press Office in the last 5 minutes. They haven't been told what time the meeting starts. If there is a decision today it will be posted on the FL website. Regards Rather FL give their decision to Pinnacle leaving door open for further discussions. FL decision on their website = take it or leave it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Small piece from Charles Sale in the mail today: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1194532/Charles-Sale.html "Troubled League One club Southampton are confident that they will not be docked 10 points next season for going into administration. Their lawyers believe they have a watertight case that Football league rules refer to a football club going to the wall — not the club's holding company which was the case at St Mary's. " Doesn't say anything new but it has been alleged in the past that Sale get's his SFC feeds from a certain ex-chairman Surely not ??? ..... Every time I post on here re Lowe, I am "assured" that he is no longer with us, and will not be with us, and has no further influence over us ........... To which I say KR*P .......... as The Mails bleat all too clearly demonstrates Both He and Jackson should be boiled in oil ..... the latter for his extremely blatant attempts to scuttle the Pinnacle Bid Jackson a Saints Fan .... you must be joking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Surely not ??? ..... Every time I post on here re Lowe, I am "assured" that he is no longer with us, and will not be with us, and has no further influence over us ........... To which I say KR*P .......... as The Mails bleat all too clearly demonstrates Both He and Jackson should be boiled in oil ..... the latter for his extremely blatant attempts to scuttle the Pinnacle Bid Jackson a Saints Fan .... you must be joking Please give it a rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTONS EAST SIDE Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Surely not ??? ..... Every time I post on here re Lowe, I am "assured" that he is no longer with us, and will not be with us, and has no further influence over us ........... To which I say KR*P .......... as The Mails bleat all too clearly demonstrates Both He and Jackson should be boiled in oil ..... the latter for his extremely blatant attempts to scuttle the Pinnacle Bid Jackson a Saints Fan .... you must be jokingJacksons a chancer, a limelight hugger. The guy obviously thinks he is Micheal Jackson, not Marc Jackson. And just like the former he is a PR disaster zone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Please give it a rest. Give WHAT a rest FFS ........... I suppose in your mind, Lowe had nothing to do with the Daily Mails article ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Give WHAT a rest FFS ........... I suppose in your mind, Lowe had nothing to do with the Daily Mails article ??? Why the **** would Lowe be wasting his time dropping snippets to the Daily Mail about something he no longer has any vested interest in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Lowe used to be on the FA board did he not? Why do I think he was.... I blame Lowe for everything!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Spoke to someone connected to the deal yesterday,KK is a red herring,Gordon Strachen was first choice but he wanted a year away from the job(watch this space).The Lawyers are 70% sure of winning appeal on the 10 points as in legal terms we never went into administration, was assured that the new manager is quality,Matty has "sold" the club to new investors in the belief that if we start playing well and winning the crowds will return to the 20000 25000 bracket,and finally AND NOT LEAST there will be NEW money to invest in players. A very positive Saint till I die! At those odds we should accept our fate with the 10 points rather than risk further punishment. At -10 and some investment in players c/w strong crowds we would at least stand some chance of reaching the play offs next season. Risking a starting total of -25 or -30 would put us odds on for crashing into Division 4. Take our medicine like a man, stop whingeing (nobody else thinks we have a moral case over the 10 points) and get on with restoring this clubs's prestige. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 At those odds we should accept our fate with the 10 points rather than risk further punishment. At -10 and some investment in players c/w strong crowds we would at least stand some chance of reaching the play offs next season. Risking a starting total of -25 or -30 would put us odds on for crashing into Division 4. Take our medicine like a man, stop whingeing (nobody else thinks we have a moral case over the 10 points) and get on with restoring this clubs's prestige. i dont think we have any sympathy elsewhere, I also know that people are not at all happy that Stockport have got away with no real penalty to them going into admin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Why the **** would Lowe be wasting his time dropping snippets to the Daily Mail about something he no longer has any vested interest in? Indeed. "Why?" crossed my mind too. It's unusual for Sale to mention SFC 'off the cuff'...IMHO of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 I have seemed to have spent the last 3 years waiting for sfc news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Give it a rest about Lowe. If you're right and he comes back by a zillion to one chance - we'll all say "well done Richmond you clever old thing." That's what you want isn't it? But he's not so please blow a different trumpet. You're getting as boring as Dalek with his Hoddle fixation. FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 ummmm.......f5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsmike25 Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Surely not ??? ..... Every time I post on here re Lowe, I am "assured" that he is no longer with us, and will not be with us, and has no further influence over us ........... To which I say KR*P .......... as The Mails bleat all too clearly demonstrates Both He and Jackson should be boiled in oil ..... the latter for his extremely blatant attempts to scuttle the Pinnacle Bid Jackson a Saints Fan .... you must be joking I can't believe some fans still bang on about Lowe, do you really think giving him attention is going to change anything. There's nothing that wrong with Jackson at least he attempted to 'save' the club which is better than no club at all. And I believe it was the football league which scuttled Pinnacles bid, all Jackson did was say "if there bid goes tits up we'll bid" which is fair enough. And as for Lowe he's ****ed off and thank god for it, I don't think he has anything more to do with our club, and frankly I'm glad, I don't even want to hear his name it makes me sick to the stomach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spades Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 3pm we will know something, thats all i can say edit: i dont claim to be ITK... and i certainly am not ITK, but for those of you looking for a little bit of hope, i can be all the ITK you want me to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Lowe used to be on the FA board did he not? Why do I think he was.... I blame Lowe for everything!! He was briefly a Premier League representative on the FA Board (along with his mate Sheepshanks). It's mentioned in the link below, from just after Sturrock went - it takes some reading with hindsight, talking the respect fans had gained for Lowe, about Lowe taking difficult decisions to preserve the club's financial stability, and being a future FA Chairman... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/3489097.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evo Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 and being a future FA Chairman... Well he's now chairman of FA, is that the same thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 This has been the longest takeover day ever... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westofshannonsaint Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 why do people care what rival fans think about us starting on -10 points or not. If at the end of the season we miss out on promotion or the playoffs by 10 points or less we will all be sitting here blaming the FL (and probably RL) & opposition fans will all probably have a quiet chuckle at our expense. and anyway I dont care if Leeds don't like us (I am not to fond of them either) and to me it is not that much of a moral issue either, if you knew you could get of a driving charge on a technicality most would probably try to get off with no penalty. I do however fear that we could end up being docked even more points. I just hope that this is sorted out today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 IThere's nothing that wrong with Jackson at least he attempted to 'save' the club which is better than no club at all. And I believe it was the football league which scuttled Pinnacles bid, all Jackson did was say "if there bid goes tits up we'll bid" which is fair enough. There a hell of a lot wrong with Marc Jackson talking about making a bid. He has no money, no contacts and lives in a fantasy world. He could not win the race for Saints if he was the only one in it. But.. By now claiming he has 'new middle eastern money' and won't apeal the points deduction he is undermining Pinnacles negotiating position with the football league. He is a chancer, a fantasist, and an attention seeker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 At those odds we should accept our fate with the 10 points rather than risk further punishment. At -10 and some investment in players c/w strong crowds we would at least stand some chance of reaching the play offs next season. Risking a starting total of -25 or -30 would put us odds on for crashing into Division 4. Take our medicine like a man, stop whingeing (nobody else thinks we have a moral case over the 10 points) and get on with restoring this clubs's prestige. That's pretty much where I am too. Why are we trying to win everything on the table rather than compromising, accepting the 10 point penalty and preparing for the new season? Come on, 10 points will make it harder, but not impossible. If we end up with a more severe penalty, we will shoot ourselves in the foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Thought we should have some Churchillian words of wisdom: We will fight them in the board room, we will fight them in the courts and in the tribunals, We will defend our points whatever the cost.... Never in the field of football takeovers has so much been owed by so many fans to so few lawyers... Sir, we are docking you ten points! Yes, but the season after next we will start on zero however you will still be ugly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exit2 Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Im lead to believe that the below scenario is the case the lawyers have against the FL about us not having the ten points deduction. OK lets say we accept the 10 point deduction and sign the non appeal clause. In four months time the FL then say can we see Southampton Football Club Limited's CVA to prove to us that you have serviced your creditors demands. The problem here is that Southampton Football club limited are unable to produce a CVA because in fact we were not in administration it was SLH. SLH are not a member of the football league so legally they can not ask for it. Does that make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 (edited) Why the **** would Lowe be wasting his time dropping snippets to the Daily Mail about something he no longer has any vested interest in? When there was a bust up with Mary Corbett he was quick to pick up the phone to the Daily Mail and make up blatant lies to his mate Sale! The tw*t!! Edited 22 June, 2009 by Gordon Mockles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Im lead to believe that the below scenario is the case the lawyers have against the FL about us not having the ten points deduction. OK lets say we accept the 10 point deduction and sign the non appeal clause. In four months time the FL then say can we see Southampton Football Club Limited's CVA to prove to us that you have serviced your creditors demands. The problem here is that Southampton Football club limited are unable to produce a CVA because in fact we were not in administration it was SLH. SLH are not a member of the football league so legally they can not ask for it. Does that make sense? That's the point I've been making all along. The FL's rules demand a CVA - there won't be one as the football club is not insolvent so can't exit insolvency. The PLC is being wound up so won't have one. This is why they screwed up with their original decision. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean the points deduction itself was wrong, but it does mean the over simplistic attempt by the FL to simply apply all existing Insolvency Rules was ill-thought out and silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Thought we should have some Churchillian words of wisdom: We will fight them in the board room, we will fight them in the courts and in the tribunals, We will defend our points whatever the cost.... Never in the field of football takeovers has so much been owed by so many fans to so few lawyers... Sir, we are docking you ten points! Yes, but the season after next we will start on zero however you will still be ugly... Lol. However. I think it's about more than the 10 points. If we except the -10, we except we were in admin. If we were in admin we need a CVA or face another -15. We can't get a CVA because we were never in admin in the eyes of the law. I could be wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Shearer Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 I said it on friday and I'll say it again - I dont think anything will be resolved today. This is only due to it being the typical Saints thing and life is never so straight forward with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsmike25 Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 What will be resolved is the football league will put two fingers up to our membership because Pinnacle are fighting a losing battle. I'm keeping my fingers crossed however, we all know on friday how positive we felt! and look where that got us. Anyway lets hope the football league will see sense and give Pinnacle the right to appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Are we tooked over yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Im lead to believe that the below scenario is the case the lawyers have against the FL about us not having the ten points deduction. OK lets say we accept the 10 point deduction and sign the non appeal clause. In four months time the FL then say can we see Southampton Football Club Limited's CVA to prove to us that you have serviced your creditors demands. The problem here is that Southampton Football club limited are unable to produce a CVA because in fact we were not in administration it was SLH. SLH are not a member of the football league so legally they can not ask for it. Does that make sense? Good point. If we legally accept SFC (the club) were docked the points, not the holding company, they could use the CVA rule and dock further points from the club. Let's be real, Mawhinney and his board of cronies are insidious little f*ckwits and can't be trusted. Unless you're a big club *cough* in which case, the rules can be changed to suit another agenda...money possibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Im lead to believe that the below scenario is the case the lawyers have against the FL about us not having the ten points deduction. OK lets say we accept the 10 point deduction and sign the non appeal clause. In four months time the FL then say can we see Southampton Football Club Limited's CVA to prove to us that you have serviced your creditors demands. The problem here is that Southampton Football club limited are unable to produce a CVA because in fact we were not in administration it was SLH. SLH are not a member of the football league so legally they can not ask for it. Does that make sense? that makes perfect sense. Legal purgatory! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burger Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 I'm really concerned that the FL decision is going to be published on their website (Radio Solent say they have been in touch with the FL). Why can't this be discussed behind closed doors with both parties first, unless all avenues have been taken and Pinnacle issued a final ultimatum...ie if you decide X will we continue, if you decide Y we pull out.....or FL make a decision then Pinnacle review and then decide whether to continue or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Are we tooked over yet? Don't be daft man! We are Saints - nothing ever goes according to plan.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Engine Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 The FL will say, Saints have been punished, like other clubs before them, in accordance with the rules which Saints signed up to as members of the League. The FL cannot back down on the 10 point deduction. If Pinnacle, foolishly in my view, cannot accept a 10 point deduction as the price of being able to pick up the club and stadium on the cheap then my fear is that the FL will say, OK, if you don't like our rules, go find yourself another league to play in. I am seriously worried now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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