OldNick Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 Brown saying that the Iranian people should be listened to by their leaders. Well considering the people want him gone and has never been voted in by the electorate ( I know people vote for their MP, but in the main it is the leader who is voted for) it is hypocritical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Keith Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 think this covers it well http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1193238/LITTLEJOHN.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 Brown saying that the Iranian people should be listened to by their leaders. Well considering the people want him gone and has never been voted in by the electorate ( I know people vote for their MP, but in the main it is the leader who is voted for) it is hypocritical No Prime Minister has EVER been voted into office by the electorate. GB is no different to Thatcher, Major, MacMillan ...... The ruling party's MPs are the ones who choose the leader of their party and, thereby, the Prime Minister. 'Twas always thus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 16 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 June, 2009 (edited) No Prime Minister has EVER been voted into office by the electorate. GB is no different to Thatcher, Major, MacMillan ...... The ruling party's MPs are the ones who choose the leader of their party and, thereby, the Prime Minister. 'Twas always thus. BTF I just knew you'd one of the first to back good old Gord. Do you not think he is hypocritical with his stance? whether it be Europe/ Death Penalty/ Euro etc. Edited 16 June, 2009 by OldNick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 16 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 June, 2009 think this covers it well http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1193238/LITTLEJOHN.htmlVery amusing but close to the truth that we'd care to believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 The ruling party's MPs are the ones who choose the leader of their party and, thereby, the Prime Minister. 'Twas always thus. Nit picking and you know it. Of course ,who the leader is ,massively influences who people vote for at election time. Of course you are technically correct, but not actually right. This doesn't make sense but you know what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 BTF I just knew you'd one of the first to back good old Gord. Do you not think he is hypocritical with his stance? whether it be Europe/ Death Penalty/ Euro etc. I'm not backing him - merely pointing out how the election of a PM works in this country! This time next year there will be a General Election. The result of that will determine who becomes Prime Minister. Did you actually vote for David Cameron to be leader of the Conservatives? I don't recall that I had a say in the matter. However, if the Conservatives win the election, it could be construed that the electorate has ipso facto elected Cameron to be PM. What won't happen - and this is where your attempt to link Brown's 'hypocrisy' with that of Dinner Jacket falls down - is that GB will say that the electorate has overwhelmingly voted for the Labour Party and, therefore, him as PM. He won't interfere with the ballot and well you know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 This time next year there will be a General Election. The result of that will determine who becomes Prime Minister. Did you actually vote for David Cameron to be leader of the Conservatives? I don't recall that I had a say in the matter. Im not sure the Cons usually ask paid up Reds who they want running the opposition... A bit like Saints Season Ticketers being asked who they want as Manager of PFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 Im not sure the Cons usually ask paid up Reds who they want running the opposition... A bit like Saints Season Ticketers being asked who they want as Manager of PFC. I wonder how many 'paid up' members of the Blue Rinse Brigade had a say in Cameron's election too? At least I do have a say in the election of the leader of the Labour Party, via my Constituency organisation and my Trade Union and via the Co-operative Party. Not that I would vote for GB BTW. Jon Cruddace would be my man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Keith Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 No Prime Minister has EVER been voted into office by the electorate. GB is no different to Thatcher, Major, MacMillan ...... The ruling party's MPs are the ones who choose the leader of their party and, thereby, the Prime Minister. 'Twas always thus. not technically correct BTF. its actually the Queen who invites leader of party with the most seats to form a government and to be prime minister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 Brown is a complete and utter ****. We were promised a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty and because he knew he wouldn't get the result he wanted he decided we didn't deserve a chance to vote. Labour are going to get anihilated at the next election and we won't see the Socialists in Number 10 for at least a decade thereafter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 No one elected John Major when Thatcher got the boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Keith Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 I wonder how many 'paid up' members of the Blue Rinse Brigade had a say in Cameron's election too? oh dear BTF. not your day is it the process for electing a conservative leader actually ends with all the members and the constiuency associations. the short list is voted on by all the mp's. the top 2 are then voted on by all the members to select the winner (it might actually be the other way round, but either way, all the membership gets to vote) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Keith Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 No one elected John Major when Thatcher got the boot. true. but he did actually win his own election in 92. which is possibly more than brown will do in 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 oh dear BTF. not your day is it the process for electing a conservative leader actually ends with all the members and the constiuency associations. the short list is voted on by all the mp's. the top 2 are then voted on by all the members to select the winner (it might actually be the other way round, but either way, all the membership gets to vote) Well I didn't know that, honestly! It's only recently changed then? So much the same as the Labour Party then. Except that there is no shortlisting by MPs in the Labour Party. The shortlisting is done on numbers of votes cast (by all members) in the first round. This shortlist is then put to all members for them to choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 not technically correct BTF. its actually the Queen who invites leader of party with the most seats to form a government and to be prime minister Same difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 true. but he did actually win his own election in 92. which is possibly more than brown will do in 2010 John Major was a likeable person, Brown on the other hand is a sly & dull arsehole that no-body likes. I hope Labour keep him on for the next election because it will ensure that Labour get slaughtered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 16 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 June, 2009 Jon Cruddace would be my man.Oh y word.What a smug looking git he looks.Then to read what he votes for!!! BTF talk about going backwards it was like the Labour party 1972, the day people like him are in power is time to say goodnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 John Major was a likeable person, Brown on the other hand is a sly & dull arsehole that no-body likes. I hope Labour keep him on for the next election because it will ensure that Labour get slaughtered. Politics aside, I thought John Major was weak and ineffectual and not that intelligent. That strangulated voice did nothing for the image - let alone the 'underpants in the shirt' and 'screwing Edwina Currie (allegedly)' although image is of no importance to me. I agree with you that GB is dull but the day we elect 'personalities' on looks and presentation rather than on substance is the day I know this country is going down the plug-hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Keith Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 Well I didn't know that, honestly! It's only recently changed then? not quite. autumn 2005, its how David Cameron was elected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 Well I didn't know that, honestly! It's only recently changed then? So much the same as the Labour Party then. Except that there is no shortlisting by MPs in the Labour Party. The shortlisting is done on numbers of votes cast (by all members) in the first round. This shortlist is then put to all members for them to choose. Out of interest, who else was on the Labour shortlist???? That's right, no-one. Clown got the PM position that he felt was his right. Going off on a tangent, I do wish he would drop the "getting on with the job line" (referred to in the article), because hearing all of the lefties spin it day after day after day, hoping that we will fall for it, is getting beyond a joke. On top of this, he states "I will not walk away" as if he he doing us a bloody favour. As for the "do nothing" party with "no policies" jibes, why does he not call a general election? If his opposition has no policies and will do nothing, then surely this will be his best and only chance to win the popular vote. Or maybe he is a true leftie in that he would feel too compassionate and guilty about the impending slaughter that the tories would face. Get this fool out now! PS Tony, all is forgiven, please come back Alan Johnson (ever peter bleeding mandelson) please step up to the plate before this totalitarian economically-inept and pathalogical liar destroys whatever great is left in Great Britain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 16 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 June, 2009 Politics aside, I thought John Major was weak and ineffectual and not that intelligent. That strangulated voice did nothing for the image - let alone the 'underpants in the shirt' and 'screwing Edwina Currie (allegedly)' although image is of no importance to me. I agree with you that GB is dull but the day we elect 'personalities' on looks and presentation rather than on substance is the day I know this country is going down the plug-hole.His government set the conditions for a golden economy for Blair to inherit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 Politics aside, I thought John Major was weak and ineffectual and not that intelligent. That strangulated voice did nothing for the image - let alone the 'underpants in the shirt' and 'screwing Edwina Currie (allegedly)' although image is of no importance to me. I agree with you that GB is dull but the day we elect 'personalities' on looks and presentation rather than on substance is the day I know this country is going down the plug-hole. Image is everything. How a person carries themselves makes a huge difference at the negotiating table. Margaret Thatcher was one of the best leaders this country has ever had because she had a presence and even intimidated. She could go to Europe and get what she wanted. Brown on the other hand is a laughing stock amongst world leaders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 As for the "do nothing" party with "no policies" jibes.. The only reason the Tories aren't releasing policies is because Labour always steal their ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 Out of interest, who else was on the Labour shortlist???? I honestly don't know as I left the Labour Party in 2002 (after many years' membership) because of the Iraq war. I've only recently rejoined following GBs 'promotion' as, in spite of all the negative spin, I believe him to be a man of integrity with sound moral judgement. But that doesn't mean I'd vote for him should his leadership be challenged internally. Get this fool out now! PS Tony, all is forgiven, please come back Alan Johnson (ever peter bleeding mandelson) please step up to the plate before this totalitarian economically-inept and pathalogical liar destroys whatever great is left in Great Britain Yes Alan Johnson would be a good shout. Man of the people etc. etc. Probably not having the intellect of GB but I don't know that for a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 The only reason the Tories aren't releasing policies is because Labour always steal their ideas. The only reason the Tories aren't releasing policies is because they don't actually have any. Whenever they've tried to say they have, they then have infighting (viz. Kenneth Clarke) or retraction (cuts to public services) or they come up with an idea that benefits less than 1% of the population (IHT for estates worth £1m). We'll see next year. But I do think that unless something damaging crawls out of the woodwork they will be elected. They say we get the government we deserve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 Yes Alan Johnson would be a good shout. Man of the people etc. etc. Probably not having the intellect of GB but I don't know that for a fact. Why does Brown make that retarded face when he talks - you know the one where he sucks his bottom lip in when he breathes in? The image consultant that told him to smile should have sorted this out a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 I honestly don't know as I left the Labour Party in 2002 (after many years' membership) because of the Iraq war. I've only recently rejoined following GBs 'promotion' as, in spite of all the negative spin, I believe him to be a man of integrity with sound moral judgement. But that doesn't mean I'd vote for him should his leadership be challenged internally. Are you serious? Trying to portray Labour Cuts, yes that's Labour CUTS as investment, in front of the nation during PMQ's is an outright lie. He knows it, you knows, I knows it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 Why does Brown make that retarded face when he talks? I think he does that when he's lying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 No-one elected Tony Blair, they elected their local MP, who represented his party and then when they had a majority the Labour Party could form a government under his leadership. People elect an MP and a party, not a leader. The Queen is our head of state. If you want to elect a leader, we need a presidential system like America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 No-one elected Tony Blair, they elected their local MP, who represented his party and then when they had a majority the Labour Party could form a government under his leadership. People elect an MP and a party, not a leader. The Queen is our head of state. If you want to elect a leader, we need a presidential system like America. ....but the Peace Ambassador to the Middle East won general elections. He made the War on Iraq party electable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 Why does Brown make that retarded face when he talks - you know the one where he sucks his bottom lip in when he breathes in? The image consultant that told him to smile should have sorted this out a long time ago. I wonder if it's something to do with that awful accident he had playing rugby - the one that left him blind in one eye and nearly losing the sight in the other one. Don't know - just hazarding a guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 Should've stuck to rugby, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 I wonder if it's something to do with that awful accident he had playing rugby - the one that left him blind in one eye and nearly losing the sight in the other one. Don't know - just hazarding a guess. How does an eye injury give you a deformed mouth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 Bad depth of field when checking his look in a mirror? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Saint Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 true. but he did actually win his own election in 92. which is possibly more than brown will do in 2010 It is true isn't it....but let's not let that get in the way or indeed even allow Brown to be given the chance to win (obviously he won't, but that isn't the point). How ironic that a thread entitled "hypocrisy" demonstrates such hyprocrisy itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 How does an eye injury give you a deformed mouth? Are you not able to read? I said he had an awful accident THAT LEFT HIM BLIND IN ONE EYE. I did not say or imply that he ONLY had an eye injury - indeed I postulated that the 'awful accident' may have caused damage to his face as well. But hey - you carry on judging people's credentials and appearances in a sad and twisted way. And I'll maybe judge you by the same criteria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mao Cap Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 Image is everything. How a person carries themselves makes a huge difference at the negotiating table. Margaret Thatcher was one of the best leaders this country has ever had because she had a presence and even intimidated. She could go to Europe and get what she wanted. Brown on the other hand is a laughing stock amongst world leaders. Actually he's quite well thought of on the international stage, due to his prompt action in saving the banking system and the G20 exceeding expectations. But yeah, at home he's the very image of a lame duck, which is what counts after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 Actually he's quite well thought of on the international stage, due to his prompt action in saving the banking system and the G20 exceeding expectations. But yeah, at home he's the very image of a lame duck, which is what counts after all. I forgot - Gordon saved the world.:smt046 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 Are you not able to read? I said he had an awful accident THAT LEFT HIM BLIND IN ONE EYE. I did not say or imply that he ONLY had an eye injury - indeed I postulated that the 'awful accident' may have caused damage to his face as well. But hey - you carry on judging people's credentials and appearances in a sad and twisted way. And I'll maybe judge you by the same criteria. It seems i'm not the only one that's noticed his mong like breathing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 I forgot - Gordon saved the world.:smt046 TBF, to orchestrate a co-ordinated fiscal stimulus that does in fact appear to have been fairly successful (although poorly implemented in places) is pretty ****ing impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 I forgot - Gordon saved the world.:smt046 Stanley, what would the Tories have done when the banking system threatened to crash & burn ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 Btf is so biased it's funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 TBF' date=' to orchestrate a co-ordinated fiscal stimulus that does in fact appear to have been fairly successful (although poorly implemented in places) is pretty ****ing impressive.[/quote'] We'll be paying for it through high taxes for decades to come. Blair got lucky by inheritting a thriving economy from the Major govt. He and his bungling chancellor then went on a Socialist tax and spending spree, sold half of our gold reserves when the price was rock bottom, and left the cupboard bear for this rainy day. This is what happens under a Labour govt and is the reason why every generation learns the lesson of keeping them out of power for long spells until a new generation forgets the lessons and votes them back in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 Btf is so biased it's funny What exactly do you think I'm biased towards? I'd be interested to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathan Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 What exactly do you think I'm biased towards? I'd be interested to know. You're obviously very biased towards the Labour party. I think you know that the elctorate do not want Gordon Brown as Prime Minister, otherwise he would surely have called the election last year until he realised he would lose. The argument about voting for the party and not the leader is mute. Tony Blair for all his faults (and there are many) was charismatic and played a major role in people voting for Labour (as you well know). Feigning ignorance doesn't suit you BTF, as you seem more intelligent than that. Although a bit too far to the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 You're obviously very biased towards the Labour party. I think you know that the elctorate do not want Gordon Brown as Prime Minister, otherwise he would surely have called the election last year until he realised he would lose. The argument about voting for the party and not the leader is mute. Tony Blair for all his faults (and there are many) was charismatic and played a major role in people voting for Labour (as you well know). Feigning ignorance doesn't suit you BTF, as you seem more intelligent than that. Although a bit too far to the left. I think you meant 'moot'? I am a Labour Party member but for pragmatic reasons. I don't think the Labour Party in its present guise represents my views but there's no party in mainstream (and therefore electable) politics that does, so I go with the best of the bad as the alternatives are even worse. I agree with you about TB's charisma but beneath that? I'm not so sure. I am further to the left than TB (that's not difficult) but who is to say how far to the left is too far? You may think so - others may disagree. I think GB will lose the next election, barring a catastrophe in the Conservative party. Time will tell if the electorate will have made a wise choice. In the same way as others look to history to reinforce their views about the Labour Party, I'm entitled to do the same about the Conservative Party. I remember Black Wednesday, rip-roaring interest rates, the crash in the property market and so on and so on of the Tory years. On this forum, I try to redress the balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 Why dont he shut the **** up! The Iran election dont relate to Britain. its their problem, not ours... Why comment! Smug bastard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robsk II Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 Sorry, calvin? The Iran elections DOES relate to the international community, and thus Britain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 Sorry, calvin? The Iran elections DOES relate to the international community, and thus Britain. I just dont understand why us British people have to comment on every situation. We always act so smug, like we can do what we want and say what we want. I can see why other nations hates us. we keep getting involved in other situations which aint our problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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