NickG Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 ok we will Mourihnio just for you (I'd prefer Tisdale I can spell that!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 June, 2009 ok we will Mourihnio just for you (I'd prefer Tisdale I can spell that!) well done that was a great reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 ince achieve the same promotion as Tisdale. as well as one before that. you just want a famous manager not a good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 June, 2009 ince achieve the same promotion as Tisdale. as well as one before that. you just want a famous manager not a good one. so ince is bad and tisdale is good despite achieving the same..? ?????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 where have I said they are much different? You have. They have achieved much the same as managers, Ince is a bigger name, but also was a total failure in his last job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 so Tisdale is bad and Ince is good despite achieving the same..? ?????????? thought this summed up your lack of logic better!:smt046 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 June, 2009 where have I said they are much different? You have. They have achieved much the same as managers, Ince is a bigger name, but also was a total failure in his last job. total failure in a league 2 above us...cant see what that has to do with it WGS took coventry down - failure almost all managers are failures at times and they bounce back... and i suspect, no i am sure someone like tisdale will fail just like ince and nearly all other managers at some point in the very near future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 you still haven't said why, with no better achievements, no more experience Ince is a great choice and Tisdale isn't? other than fame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 June, 2009 you still haven't said why, with no better achievements, no more experience Ince is a great choice and Tisdale isn't? other than fame. Ince would attract better players that are realistically available IMO guess what....fame DOES play a part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 Of course there are many other important things required to be a good manager. But Nick you can't deny fame and contacts does bring its benefits Players more likely to sign for Ince and more bums on seats = greater revenue. By no means am I putting Tisdale down, I'd be happy with Ince or Tisdale, both would show ambition from the new owner. As would Keegan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 Of course there are many other important things required to be a good manager. But Nick you can't deny fame and contacts does bring its benefits Players more likely to sign for Ince and more bums on seats = greater revenue. By no means am I putting Tisdale down, I'd be happy with Ince or Tisdale, both would show ambition from the new owner. As would Keegan. Agreed MLG - but those bums on seats will fast disappear should the 'Famous One' fail to add SUCCESS (WINS) to his portfolio. Remember we are fickle, and at the first sign of trouble I fear 'the bums' will vacate their seats. Fame will, admittedly, get you off to a flyer, but ultimately everybody will be judged on the results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 June, 2009 Agreed MLG - but those bums on seats will fast disappear should the 'Famous One' fail to add SUCCESS (WINS) to his portfolio. Remember we are fickle, and at the first sign of trouble I fear 'the bums' will vacate their seats. Fame will, admittedly, get you off to a flyer, but ultimately everybody will be judged on the results. as would bums on seats should tisdale fail to win...either way, you dont win, people dont come...last season proved that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 as would bums on seats should tisdale fail to win...either way, you dont win, people dont come...last season proved that Exactly - you can play the fame card only so far. I hope that Alan Shearer doesn't find that out too early at Newcastle next season as that looks likely to be his first managerial position. Would hate to see him fail at his first attempt as a manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 June, 2009 Exactly - you can play the fame card only so far. I hope that Alan Shearer doesn't find that out too early at Newcastle next season as that looks likely to be his first managerial position. Would hate to see him fail at his first attempt as a manager. i never mentuioned bums on seats.. the fame card i was playing was that he could attract better players that are realistically available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarniaSaint Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 Alan Knill from Bury Good call or that guy at Rochdale, can't remember his name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 i never mentuioned bums on seats.. the fame card i was playing was that he could attract better players that are realistically available I know, MLG made the FAME = BOS connection, and while I agree it will initially - ultimatley seats will only remain full if results are good. FAME alone will not fill stadiums. I agree with you, certain managers will attract certain types of players - some managers will have better contacts than others as well. At the end of the day though - results will be the key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 17 June, 2009 Share Posted 17 June, 2009 Ince may have fame but he does not have the charisma of someone like Keegan so I don't think it would have the same effect. There would be some benefit in attracting players - although I wonder how much difference that would make at this level. Ince would probably create more press interest and a few more tickets initially - although I don't remember MK Dons being a media circus. Ince would be a name, would show the ability of the new people to attract a name and some ambition. I don't see anything in DD's arguements that support his view that Ince would be great and Tisdale would be a cheap option. I think the football world would see it as a bigger appointment than likes of Grey, Wigley and Pearson for us. IMHO Tisdale would be a better manager for us than Ince. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 17 June, 2009 Share Posted 17 June, 2009 i never mentuioned bums on seats.. the fame card i was playing was that he could attract better players that are realistically available The one advantage in having MLT on board is that he will be able to attract players to the club and we do not have to have a celebrity manager to do that. Personally I am comfortable with any of the stated choices, but to be honest appointing Tisdale would tell me that the club has long term plans, rather than short term gain. It is a long, long way to the Premiership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Please GOD now we have ambition and funds that Tisdale is NOT appointed.. we can so so so much better now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 I just have feeling Coppell might be a dark horse in this race. Saints are an attractive proposition now, especially for a man who wants to do it his own way. Surely the only way is up and we would have the resources to compete in the CCC in a couple of years. He and Tisdale would be my choices. Ince, Dowie, Keegan - overrated and with as many failures as successes behind them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 ok ignire team bath. Exeter - done ok? Maybe, builds slowly, and much of his success is put down to Steve Perryman by those who know about Exeter. Nice guy, might have been right at some other time, but not what we need now. I would also seriously question the judgement of any manager who leaves a club to join another one 10 points below them at the start of the season, haveing just taken his club to 2 promotions on the trot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Saints are clearly a better option than Exeter now he would jump at the chance to manage us. I'd have him as third choice behind coppell and wgs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Saint Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Widdrington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Saints are clearly a better option than Exeter now he would jump at the chance to manage us. I'd have him as third choice behind coppell and wgs. interestingly.....hoddle got slated for leaving and spurs are/were a better option than saints.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 total failure in a league 2 above us...cant see what that has to do with it WGS took coventry down - failure almost all managers are failures at times and they bounce back... and i suspect, no i am sure someone like tisdale will fail just like ince and nearly all other managers at some point in the very near future In WGS' defence, I think I'd say that it was the Coventry CHAIRMAN who took them down. Their economy was very much worse than ours at the time and CC sold their top players in the second half of that season and left WGS with a load of inexperienced kids to fill the gap. It didn't work. I'd hardly blame Strachan for that, he's not a magician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff Saint Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Please GOD now we have ambition and funds that Tisdale is NOT appointed.. we can so so so much better now Out of interest, who? The only names, even with wealth, that spring to my mind are Keegan, Hoddle, WGS and Coppell. But they are all very much their own men where money might not be the lure that it would be to others. If they all turn the chance of going for a division 3 football team down, who else is there? Curbisherly? Pardew? Would either of these, on paper, be any better than Tisdale. He might well be unproven but his CV reads as well as you could hope? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Saints are clearly a better option than Exeter now he would jump at the chance to manage us. I'd have him as third choice behind coppell and wgs. + 1 I cannot fathom why anybody would want Kevin 'bottler' Keegan or Ian '****' Dowie. Or indeed Peter 'FFS' Reid' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonraker Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Our two most succesful managers the late great TB and LM had little fame or experience prior to being appointed. Theres only on way top get bums on seats and keep them there and thats winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 interestingly.....hoddle got slated for leaving and spurs are/were a better option than saints.. I don't really get your point... I'm sure the Exeter fans would be upset if he left them for us but we are most definatly a better option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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