OldNick Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 He scored 8 goals from 12 starts last season. Acording to http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/Shooting/0,,10794~200810400~7,00.html He had in the league 27 shots on target and 19 shots off target. So total of 46 shots. Of his shots 56% were on target. And 17% of those were goals. Another interesting thing is that he assited 4 goals. Now compare to say DMG who had 45 starts and 12 goals. Having 64 shots on target and 54 off target. Meaning of his 118 shots 54% were on target. However that means only 10% of his shots resulted in a goal. If you take away his penalties would make it look a lot worse. So off starts last season Rasiak has a 66% chance to score upon a start. While DMG has a 26% chance to score upon a start. Its those stats that show the actual gap in level of quality really. Next season we will need more then the 12 goals DMG scored this year if we are to go for promotion. Someone like Rasiak would bag a bundle in league 1. But as i said he wont be here next season, and if he is not signed by a club will be out on loan. I cannot see him wanting to play in division 3 sadly.you have made an art of using stats and then manipulating them. Your post reads as he scored 8 in 12 games wheras you should add to that his 9 sub appearances. As for shots on taget it is 22 and 19 off and not 27 on target.That of course increases his rate of success on target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 That's in all competitions and includes penalties. Feel free to mess around and see what revalations you can come up with. Just an observation as people were comparing DMG league tally and not his cup goals as well, therefore for fair comparisons both should be shown in the same way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 I think the stats actually give a pretty good representation of both players styles of play. Rasiak - Doesn't get as many chances because he is less mobile. He is no more accurate, target wise, than DMG. However he is much better at beating the keeper when he does hit the target. DMG - Gets a fair few chances (when he puts the effort in) and gets a reasonable number on target. However because many of them are speculative efforts from the edge of the area, they are often saved by the 'keeper or blocked by the defence. I definitely feel there is room for both in our side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 A very good record for a player who was used as a target man for a long ball game. Where on earth did you get that idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 I think the stats actually give a pretty good representation of both players styles of play. Rasiak - Doesn't get as many chances because he is less mobile. He is no more accurate, target wise, than DMG. However he is much better at beating the keeper when he does hit the target. DMG - Gets a fair few chances (when he puts the effort in) and gets a reasonable number on target. However because many of them are speculative efforts from the edge of the area, they are often saved by the 'keeper or blocked by the defence. I definitely feel there is room for both in our side. i think you are right that RTasiak is clinical. He is very much a in the box player, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Just an observation as people were comparing DMG league tally and not his cup goals as well, therefore for fair comparisons both should be shown in the same way For the League it would read DMG - 11 goals* in 121 efforts** - 11 shots per goal Rasiak - 8 goals in 42 efforts - 5.1 shots per goal *The official number is 12, but that includes Lallana's goal against Derby for some reason **Shots on target, off target and headers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 rasiak or mcgoldrick....hmmmmmm rasiak is a league above DMG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 15 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 15 June, 2009 If we have to keep him then fine, he should play. If we can get rid of him all the better IMO.I dont see him a a grafter or team player.Many think the same of DMG, it is just another divisive arguement. Whyhe is being compared to DMG and not Saga or Bwp i dont know. No he's not but he is a goal poacher and that's what we need. DMG is not a goal poacher as the facts Arizona posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 No he's not but he is a goal poacher and that's what we need. DMG is not a goal poacher as the facts Arizona posted. indeed.. wha we could have done wih rasiak in the team last season he is one of 3 players to score 20+ goals for us in the last 20 years.... (apparently) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 15 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 15 June, 2009 None of those stats mean anything if you consider McGoldrick's much deeper starting position for about half of his games. And mediocre though he is, McG has already had a half decent return in League One even playing for tripe like Bournemouth. It show's he still had a shed load of chances with limited success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Conversion rate Rasiak - 10 goals in 45 efforts - 4.5 shots per goal Saga - 6 goals in 35 efforts - 5.8 shots per goal BWP - 6 goals in 55 efforts - 9.2 shots per goal DMG - 13 goals in 127 efforts - 9.8 shots per goal Surman - 7 goal in 69 efforts - 9.9 shots per goal Euell - 2 goals in 39 efforts - 19.5 shots per goal Lallana - 3 goals in 76 efforts - 25.3 shots per goal 'Na na na na na na na na na Gregorz Rasiak! Rasiak! Gregorz Rasiak!!' Get in there!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Conversion rate Rasiak - 10 goals in 45 efforts - 4.5 shots per goal Saga - 6 goals in 35 efforts - 5.8 shots per goal BWP - 6 goals in 55 efforts - 9.2 shots per goal DMG - 13 goals in 127 efforts - 9.8 shots per goal Surman - 7 goal in 69 efforts - 9.9 shots per goal Euell - 2 goals in 39 efforts - 19.5 shots per goal Lallana - 3 goals in 76 efforts - 25.3 shots per goal 'Na na na na na na na na na Gregorz Rasiak! Rasiak! Gregorz Rasiak!!' Get in there!!! we must have been better than it looked as I cant recall us havibng so many shots at goal. Would these include hitting defenders and cleared or actually into the keepers arms or into the crowd i wonder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 If we are serious about getting out of this league ASAP then we should be at least trying to keep players like Rasiak. Goal scorers are a precious commodity and he'll score for fun in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakovnetski Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Question. With whom are the players contracts, SFC or SLH? Are there any circumstances where the contracts would become null and void due to the company going into Admin or are we obliged to retain all staff in new contracts under TUPE regulations? I thought that TUPE only applied if you wanted to retain staff, and that you could get rid of any other staff if you wanted to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Do you know his current wages and what clauses were in his contract about relegation? No? then do shut up. Indeed. Pathetic comments. We know nothing about the new owner, resources to be made available to the club, and have no signals of intention yet. Rasiak will either do the business for us or get us some money in to buy someone who can. Until such time, I think concluding we cannot afford such a natural goalscorer is tw*ttish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 rasiak or mcgoldrick....hmmmmmm rasiak is a league above DMG Agreed. But DMG would be a nice player to have on the bench. Rasiak is one for now, DMG one for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Indeed. Pathetic comments. We know nothing about the new owner, resources to be made available to the club, and have no signals of intention yet. Rasiak will either do the business for us or get us some money in to buy someone who can. Until such time, I think concluding we cannot afford such a natural goalscorer is tw*ttish. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog24g Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 He is under contract. He has to report. End of story. You can't pick and choose which players to keep without paying off the rest of the contract, so unless he agrees to walk away for free or renegotiates for less to leave sooner, he has to get paid in full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Indeed. Pathetic comments. We know nothing about the new owner, resources to be made available to the club, and have no signals of intention yet. Rasiak will either do the business for us or get us some money in to buy someone who can. Until such time, I think concluding we cannot afford such a natural goalscorer is tw*ttish. Did we all miss an announcment? besides I thought the potential new onwer was planning to run the club on its own 2 feet which suggests it wont be spunking money on prem wages in league 1 if it can help it. I thought Watford could have had him on a free but decided his wage demands were too high. If they are too high for a CCC team then its not pathetic to suggest its not that great for us to keep him is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 With Lynam stating the client in the Pinnacle bid is worth 'hundreds of millions' we should be alright like SaintRobbie said, but it's whether or not people like Rasiak and Saga want to stay and play in League One. It's my guess they will be wanting to play Championship at least because they are involved in the Poland squad and they will be pushing for World Cup call ups next year. Only time can tell now I guess.. It doesnt matter what he's worth, its down to how much of it he wants to put into the club. And given that most money "invested" in football clubs in this country is effectively p**sed up the wall, my guess is that he wont want to punt the lot on it. imho, of course... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Agreed. But DMG would be a nice player to have on the bench. Rasiak is one for now, DMG one for the future. DMG is not "one for the future". If he isn't likely to play most games in league one for us because Rasiak stays then he will be off to a mid to lower Championship team. McGoldrick won't be a bench player next season for Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Simple really - we need someone of Rasiaks standing to muscle his way to 20+ goals this season. There is no other striker at the club that will do that for us IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Rasiak is a bit like Beattie. Strong and call hold the ball up. If he plays for us in L1 we are in with a shout of overturning the -10 deficit and making the play-offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 I am a strong critic of Rasiak but I have to admit if he plays for us in league 1 I think he will destroy a fair few teams and as a result we will have a very good chance of making the play offs. Let’s just hope the new owners can afford and want to keep him. With Poland still in with a very strong shout of qualifying for South Africa 2010 then I cannot see Rasiak being very keen to stay. An upper Championship or lower Prem side will take a gamble on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Rasiak is a bit like Beattie. Strong and call hold the ball up. If he plays for us in L1 we are in with a shout of overturning the -10 deficit and making the play-offs. Cant see anyone disagreeing with that. Lets hope the takeover happens and the new owners see next season with Rasiak and are prepared to put the money out for it to happen. Ras up front and KD at the back sounds like the start of a promising team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 as we stand at the moment it does not matter who plays up front, i am more concerned who will supply the bullets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 DMG is not "one for the future". If he isn't likely to play most games in league one for us because Rasiak stays then he will be off to a mid to lower Championship team. McGoldrick won't be a bench player next season for Saints. He's under contract so will do as he's told Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 15 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 15 June, 2009 as we stand at the moment it does not matter who plays up front' date=' [b']i am more concerned who will supply the bullets[/b] Lets sort one problem at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 If GR is still a Saints player come start of season he has got to start his record for early season goals is very good it is not impossible that he could have at least 6 goals before transfer deadline feed GR & he will score Not comparing but in the 90s Saints had a few fat lazy goal scorers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Rasiak is not as big and strong as some seem to think. He is not causing a stampede as clubs fight to sign him on. If he was as good as some think then his wages would be cheap as he would help us get back up to the CCC. I have seen him when given a hit by a large defender and he spent the rest of the games looking to steer well clear of the aggro. He can be good but will play against a lot of big strong types who will quite happily give it large to an international. That said he does have a better ratio of goals to games than any other player we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 Rasiak is not as big and strong as some seem to think. He is not causing a stampede as clubs fight to sign him on. If he was as good as some think then his wages would be cheap as he would help us get back up to the CCC. I have seen him when given a hit by a large defender and he spent the rest of the games looking to steer well clear of the aggro. He can be good but will play against a lot of big strong types who will quite happily give it large to an international. That said he does have a better ratio of goals to games than any other player we have. on of 3 players to score over 20 goals for us in the last 20 years.. so yes, he is farking good for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 Yeah but you are assuming the existing budget - well non existent budget - not the one we may be about to see through MLT and Pinnacle. If I was MLT as Director of Football I would be convincing the owners to keep all our best players... and MLT seems to be convincing them well thus far. H'mmm - I thought that one of Pinnacle's planks was that the club would be a going concern in its own right. If that is the case then we will be working on a League One budget. I don't think that money is going to be hurled at the club. I suspect that any money outside of the budget will be invested strategically and Rasiak would not necessarily be a strategic investment unless we were going to build a team round him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 If the club decide that he is worth keeping then perhaps they should attempt to renegotiate his contract with sweeteners ie : a) reduce wages now and we'll spread the rest over a longer contract. b) reduce wages now and link the extra payments to goals scored. c) reduce wages now but receive a big bonus if promoted. I'm sure that some creative contract bargaining could be arranged, particularly as he does not seem to be in great demand from elsewhere at the moment ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasiak_33 goals Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 hot news..! :-D jus readed on polish internet news that Lechia Gdansk are close to buy Rasiak for 300.000 euro + 3-5 players +...one physichian (can not spell it ,sorry) Lechia Gdansk is a very little club "midtable" in polish PL, their stadium takes not more than 5000 people, like league two in England Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreog Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 Somehow please just get rid of him off the wage bill..........he is over rated and underperforms.......he thought going to Bolton would catapult him back to the Premier League where he misguidedly thought he belonged.......well that was a waste of time and Watford was only a partial success whereby they realised that he wasn't worth the money............he is exactly the type of player Saints do not need around the place and I only pray some equally misguided desperate Championship manager will take him on to appease some baying supporters!............fingers crossed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 17 June, 2009 Share Posted 17 June, 2009 Somehow please just get rid of him off the wage bill..........he is over rated and underperforms! you do realise he is one of THREE players in the last 20 years to score 20+ goals in one season for us.. so yeah, can see how he under performs and is over rated:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 17 June, 2009 Share Posted 17 June, 2009 you do realise he is one of THREE players in the last 20 years to score 20+ goals in one season for us.. so yeah, can see how he under performs and is over rated:rolleyes: Its completely idiotic, isnt it ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 17 June, 2009 Share Posted 17 June, 2009 you do realise he is one of THREE players in the last 20 years to score 20+ goals in one season for us.. so yeah, can see how he under performs and is over rated:rolleyes: Him like BT were always looked at as lazy buggers yet always managed to score. On paper they both go down as 2 of our best strikers in recent history but its understandable how some think we would be better off without him. Personally I dont think its worth keeping him if we havnt got the right people to supply him. He doesnt create many goals of his own accord so if we keep him we need to teach our wingers to cross properly. Do that and he will be on course for 30 goals this season. dont do it and his wages will cost us getting a couple of half decent league 1 players. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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