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People getting paid less or more people doing less hours i.e. productive work

Anyone offering any opinion should read this first: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/hillsborough-documents-released-brian-reade-1318730

FC - any crowd needs to be controlled whether they are aggressive or not. There have been deaths from crushes at festivals for example. The issue if badly behaved fans is a bit of a red herring - there were plenty of big matches in those days when no one died in a crush - and fans weren't behaving badly on that day in particular. You're also ignoring how the police response to growing crowd violence actually made things worse - if you treat people like animals then it is hardly surprising if they act like animals.

But it is perfectly possible to act logically and rationally as an individual within a group but for the group itself to act irrationally. If the herd starts to stampede then each cow would be stupid not to join in but the stampede itself might be stupid. Why should any Liverpool fan expect that they were about to contribute to a fatal crush? You're waiting to get though the turnstiles. It's taking ages and you start to worry that you'll miss the match. there are plenty in front and plenty behind. Suddenly the exist opens and everyone realises that there's a much quicker way into the ground. You get through the exit and see the main entrance into the stand and perhaps even get a glimpse of the match underway. everyone else if moving to the same point and now there are even more people behind you. Once you realise that there are too many people in front you consider moving to the side but now no one can budge. At what point does that person become eligible for blame?

It wasn't. The terrace was divided into pens and entry to each pen was only possible from behind the stand i.e. you could not move laterally into a different pen once you were on the terrace. The side pens were well under capacity. The police didn't control access to ticket barriers and panicked, opening the exits which allowed thousands of fans to enter the ground much more quickly. These fans took the logical decision to take the main entrance to the Central terrace and there were no Police to direct them to the pens which had plenty of space. The idea that there were hundreds or ticketless fans is a convenient myth for the Police.

A ****-take surely.

So if one of your loved ones was killed you wouldn't want a proper inquiry to determined what happened?

There has never been any evidence of significant numbers of fans trying to get in without tickets. Plenty of tickets were still on sale on the evening before the game. Jesus, the uninformed crap still out beggars belief.

Haven't got a decent pic but I've got a "one team in Hampshire" flag that used to hang in block 38 at home matches in mid '00s.

Or a bit of a cock with an increasingly wearing posh buffoon schtick.

This. As I said earlier, Ho chose a self-ban from here after he embarrassed himself time and time again. He's too gutless to come back on here. You are too gutless aren't you Ho?

PES - if it wasn't for the Parachute payments the Pompey life support machine would have been switched off months and months ago and the trust would never have had time to think about a plan let alone put together a bid. Pompey have been extremely lucky to be in the first wave of relegated clubs getting the improved 4-year parachute payments. If your collapse had come a year or two earlier you'd currently be following AFC Pompey in non-league.

Did I hear them doing their version of Shalalalalalala? FFS we're back in the Prem you need to get a new record.

Surprised there are any Pompey fans there, this being a tinpot trophy after all....

Dreadful, Bompey defo to lose now

Barney up first....

This is what I get

looks like none are left

At times like these we are all reminded that interent forums are serious f;ing business.

LD - no amount of whatabouttery changes things for Blair. The reason we're talking about Blair in this thread is because of Tutu's comments which were directly aimed at Blair not Brown.

I'm guessing that st_shar might not be a Pompey fan

oooh you b]tch!