OldNick

Not your load of tripe

Thats the problem I cant grasp you at all.

Exit, Liverpool are the prime example how it could have worked. You cant look back from now and make a judgement , you have to remember the times and situation.Both Gray and Wigley were rewarded for loyalty and also having high regard for their coaching in the reserves etc.I had reservations about both but I could see why they were chosen although I wasnt hapy. Wigley was vewry unlucky, but you cnat afford to be unlucky being a football manager.

if the takeover does not happen , then RL will go his own way and not be moved by any fan group.They have contributed in unsettling the fanbase and the club. Saying that it is mainly well meaning hardworking Saints fans who want the best for the club.Sadly they are naive to believe a fan on the board is of use. The powers that be (whoever) will only patronise and then od what they want to do for the best return.

but you mentioned the s/ts from under RL that made a difference to the first season down. As you rightly say the early birders are manily the hardcore fans and so the attendances dropping rather than rising when your new lot arrived does not show the common feeling that RL was the reason for attendances dropping. As for your last comment I assume you are beling flippant. If Saints had kept the tickets at the PL price i expect Id still go like a lot of others,it would hurt but Im a victim of being a Saints fan.Giving me and others like me a good discount is not business sense or does your accounting not go to that. Unfortunately the most loyal in football get milked the most.

I would like to be able to put my replies in seperate boxes like you do but dont know how. Dont lecture me on running headlong into peoples arms , you were very vocal telling us how wonderful the Wilde bunch was. Of course a takeover and change of chairman is different, but it is better than the change of ownership ie being in the banks/administrators hands. The new people may be extending debt, we dont know, but if they are I doubt they have a chance of getting the money at this stage, against a business that will lose money for a long time still. Again Im not the person who was duped last time and do not have the ear of any of the protagonists but do through my business know people from both sides who give me the odd snippet. A person from the new lot apparently saying that he didnt now think he would be able to keep us from admin and the banks /bond holders getting edgy is hardly being played and it is not of use to the selling party. Your constant playing the change of managers card is getting boring, for someone who pertains to be bright and then to believe that was the major/only contributor does you no favours.I dislike this government but do accept the current woes, whilst them being major factors have been effected by outside factors out of their control. I could list 10 -20 reasons why we went down, the same could be said for evey club who has been relegated in our lifetimes.When we were relegated under LM we had the Great George Reader as chairman and the Corbetts in the boardroom, was it their fault?

Exactly

if we sent him free to earn a contract he'd awesome.Give him the contract and then he can lie back and look at his bank statement.

Poor mans Scooby. We need money and even RL thinks so.

Pedg, I see your point, but Shearer has a fire and I believe he is not one to take lightly.He is now used to the media and after a game might not be so laid back when talking to the press.He is oiin the comfort zone and can be relaxed but put a win on it and he changes.

Dont forget the last 2 seasons had the ridiculous early bird s/ts which encouraged many people to buy s/t's but at a low price.The problem being they have a terrible job raising those prices without uproar. The early birders are many of us fans who would pay through the nose and so a major part of the clubs finance is lost. I of course am delighted to have a cheaper football ticket, but in a hard nosed business way we are the ones who normally are milked of money.

Pedg, most of what you say I agree with, but the Shearer thing is intriging. We might have missed the boat with him now anyway as he has commitments with the BEEB. as for him being a disaster Im not so sure. Shearer would put us back into the forefront of the media, something fans miss from the PL. He is a winner and like Keane has a steely resolve to win. If we do have money to spend , if a players agent is called and is told Jp is on the line, they might tell him to call back later wheras is Shearer is there he would have instant respect. I quite like the idea of the kids playing fast exciting football but if it goes t###, what is optionB ?

UM you know what Im going to say to you about that statement.You and others ran headlong into the arms of the Wilde bunch, much to the despair of fans like myself.Caution was advised but it was 'it can't be worse than under RL.' For some it may have been better but now the chickens are coming home to roost and a takeover with someone taking away the debts would be better than losing 10 points. Reading between the lines and hearing a couple of things said that were from people who really know the situation from the new group, the position is perilous. Beggars cannot be chosers and we need the new people to move IMO, quickly. The bank have given us a little slack but they are cold nosed and if they see a bottomless pit they will act. Our little dabble on the roulette wheel was 2 seasons ago, with a reckless bet that failed, the banker still requires paying.

I dont think we have a choice if it is good or bad, the club is in dire financial straits and we cannot pick and choose. The difficult decisions were put off and now we are looking down the barrel of a gun.

Ill be glad when you join us again, your stand will not help the club when we really not need it ,but lets hope it is soon.

I dont bother with other clubs. Bates brought ticket prices down then did he?,more importantly winning so many games would have made a difference. Are you categorically saying you will be gettoing a S/T when RL leaves?

meeeoowww, pass him some milk

So are you saying all those Leeds fans dont go to the home games!!!!!! They had superb home gates last season, thier principles disappeared with winning games,

I dont know, if your dislike of RL is so deep you might sing Swing Lowe instead of OWTS , that wouldn't help.Cardiff will be pleased with you though, they are in a financial mess and will be glad of your £30+

Realist, Lowe Realist thankyou. I support SFC, i spend my money at SFC so I can help in my little way to help it survive financially.I can also feel justified to complain if the money is not spent in the right areas etc etc. You may go and spend money to help other clubs survive and compete stronger against the team you follow. Your position may be just in your mind but in the real world you are making the opposition stronger and our club weaker.That is why I have contempt or lack of respect for your stand. SFC needs all the help it can get, and people like yourself should try and think beyond the predudice. Answer me this, didyou go when we were in the PL, moved to the new stadium, enjoyed the good times? I agree the relegation season was a disaster and there were many factors, but that is life.This debate should be defunct anyway if the new men do as supposed to be happening. When RL is gone are you going to buy a s/t then?

to be fair the money is important.The support is also vital but if those fans heads are so full of dislike for the chairman they are hardly going to help the grouds atmosphere in support of the team.

Hac we have already had reasons for and against the stay away fans. IMO it is a nonsense, and the club will not miss fans who think they are making a stand. The club dont know they are staying away they would only assume it was for 1 of many reasons.1 thing is fairly certain IMO that if we got back up with RL in charge their principles might well change and go again. To go only to away games and feed our rivals is a nonsense, they may as well buy in their club shops as well as an act of principle. When the Wilde bunch took over it was against my wishes, but I got on with it as I want to support our club,RL has come back for selfish reasons no doubt, but he at present is our the only person who the club can afford to try and get us out of this financial mess. If the new lot do turn up then great but in the meantime if you and others starve the club of income you will be able to support us at all the L1 and L2 clubs in the very near future.

Well thats 2 of you the club wont miss.When your family is ill you rally around and try and help them recover.To ignore them but spend your money to pay for medicine for others is a nonsense. As fpr principle I dont suppose you went to Cardiff to watch us in the cup final.Real principles that.

I understand the drivers being upset, but it is true about the drivers not turning up looking professional. The more professional they look the better the tip is likely to be, as the passenger would most likely look and think,'well he'll be happy with a £1, as he's used to little.' Wheras the well dressed would be more likely to expect a better tip.

Should you be telling us that, I do hope the sniffer dogs weren't there.