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Stanley - points per game based on three for a win and 1 for a draw...so two of your most hated managers are two of our most successful....hmmmm Burley 1.54 McMenemy 1.52 Hoddle 1.50 Bates 1.42 Strachan 1.35 Ball 1.34 Nicholl 1.32 Sturrock 1.31 Souness 1.31 Redknapp 1.22 Merrington 1.21 Jones 1.18 Branfoot 1.11 Gray 1.05 Wigley 0.89 Not sure about Pearson, I think he is around 1.24 but no doubt someone will do the maths. Burley finished with the highest win ration - 42.65% Now the next thing you will say is that other managers had to manage in the Prem, but then they had Premiership squads didn't they. Hoddle was rubbish wasn't he......??? Whatever you think, I doubt very much if we'd be where we are right now with either manager here.

The table I have is based on three points for a win for every manager. Tut tut Stanley. I am sure you have seen the same table as I have.

A toss up between Redknapp and Branfoot. As for Burley, like him or not he is still out most suceesful manager since the war in terms of points per game.

Anyone would think we lost yesterday. Tell you what, lest forget about 3 points at last and have another pop at Lowe. Jeez. I have just watched a programme about Alan Sugar and the behaviour of some Spurs fans towards him. Seems every club has an element of those type of fans.

Missed the point Stanley. And the old I go to more games than you so my opinion is worth more is very old hat.

Ah yes, that would be your nephew who could run SFC and comes on here prentending to be you, posting silly posts and using those rolly eyed thingies to make it look like the person he is replying to is stupid? It is not blame deflection at all. You and others like you came on here a while back telling us that would should model ourselves on clubs like Charlton and that we were badly run and should be run like them. Wise words mate LOL. You and others like you have been telling the rest of us lesser mortals that it was wrong to pick JP when there were so many other decent experienced manages (many of whom are either below us or not far above us and struggling too). All you ever do Steve is to come on here, twist facts to suit your own agenda and tell the rest of us that we are wrong. Not once I have I said that anything legitimises our performances, I am simply making wider comparisons so those people with tunnel vision get a wider picture. What others would give us "reasons" by the way, people like you call "excuses". By the way Steve, if we do stay up and acheive that before the last day of the season will you (or your nephew) backtrack and say that JP has done better than your pal Nigel Pearson, who as we both know only managed to stay up on the last game with more "seasoned" pros? Just to make it a little clearer. Yes we have to sort out our problems, no we don't have to sort the rest of the worlds, yes other clubs are having the same problems as us and guess what Steve and Steve's nephew, none of those clubs are run by Lowe and managed by JP. You see, no matter how much football experience you have, many many clubs find it very difficult to compete with others because guess what, they are all trying to win too! We got three points yesterday. Hopefully the defensive problems may finally have been sorted with two new signings and Saga will take some pressure off of McG and give us more punch up front. I prefer to look ahead with optimism, you prefer to come on and tell everybody how the club should be run because we are all alone in being so crap. Tell you what Steve, I bet you would be a wow on the Charlton and Norwich websites too, ever thought of branching out? You would rake it in as a consultant and by sorting out everyone elses problems too.

Yes Steve, because if he had finished it would have resulted in a goal wouldn't it?

Surely a "fan" is someone who is fanatical about their club. If they prefer to go away and put money into other clubs pockets (including those around us in the relegation scrap) they can hardly be called the "bestest fans" can they?

No more so than a number of seasoned English managers, including one manager who recently managed in the Prem and has been sacked already.

So if it was you, would you say that Watford offered you more money? We told him we wanted him to stay, what else could we have done? He obviously has other reasons for moving so fair play to him. Shame about the negative spin but then you get used to that here with so many people wanting to pull the club down from within.

Our defence has been pants to date so losing one player from that unit, no matter how good, does not have to be a bad thing. The changes might work in a favour and it is encouraging that the defence sounded more solid yesterday. As for a last minute thing Alpine, apparently the "Dutchie" as you call him has been tracked since the summer, so maybe, just maybe, the club do have back up plans and do not just do things on the fly as you seem to think? Whilst is it very easy to sit behind a comuter keyboard and slag people off, the wrist slitters amongst us also have to realsie that managers/coaches have got a really tough job. If the squad isn't right in August or if you lose key players through injury (as we have done) you have to struggle through half a season before you can do much about it. Then come january you can be left with a situation that you lose some of your "better" players and have to regroup. Despite the stick that JP gets for his lack of experience in CCC football, he is doing as well as a number of managers with experience (and he did better than one very experience Prem manager who has since lost his job!). Hopefully, given time, JP will turn out to be a very good manager for us and if the latest changes to the defence mean more clean sheets in this half of the season, then losing Cork will have had a positive effect on the club.

Alpine has all so the answers so we should be led by his response. Just the other day he was telling us who "right" he was about everything (apart from his unqualified support for Wilde of course). Sadly though, having declared that the club was finished because Cork and Pearce had left we then go and grind out three points!!! Early days of course, but as we have a fighting chance of staying up and as we have yet to go into administration then perhaps Alpine you are not always right about everything? As for JP, well again, as Pearson very nearly took as down but managed to get the points we needed to stay up in the final game and was then lauded as a manager who needed to stay...I expect Alpine that if JP keeps us up (and lets remember he doesn't have the resources that Peason had) then you would be fully supporting him (and the club/board) next season?

Alternatively Rudi might actually be injured.......

I think we should start asking if he has left yet. All this wailing and wringing of hands is a bit of a joke though isn't it? Skacel has been roundly slagged off here as a failure. This time last year the perceived wisdom on here was that the "journeymen" (Skacel, John etc.) were a waste of money and that we should play the kids. Now it seems that we are treating said journeymen really badly??? As my old mate Um Pahars would say (with lots of rolley eyes things), you couldn't make it up.

Well, if he does or doesn't, anyone would have to have really thick skin to take on a job like this. As for his other half, I wonder how any wife deals with the fact that their hubby goes of to work and gets called a w*nker day in day out.

Obviously not, as one of the Undead. Really, what does it matter?

I am not the least bit ashamed of myself and why should I be? The management team you talk of nearly spent us into administration and we only managed to stay up on the last day of the season. I would hardly say it was a "damn fine management team". You really need to get past this strang obsessiveness and try and look at things objectively for a change Stanley.

Alpine Rupert Lowe Michael Wilde George Burley Short on laughs but it would be priceless to let Alpine loose on those three.

Great news. We do need something different up front and Saga can be a quality player for us again. I'd still like to see another forward come in though as much as that is unlikely.

Doesn't exactly fit with his claim that he is up for a new challenge though does it? And the article says that he has found himself at left back this season??? Hmmm

If Simon Jordan was at this club you lot would be at his throat as much as Lowes!!!

I agree with CB Fry. But of course the main point is that if the others had not made such a pig's ear of things after he left he would not be back now, would he!

So then, no mention of the fact that he pulled the plug on a move to Ipswich because they wouldn't match his wage demands???

Haven't seen the incident yet but having been sent off a few times myself...if he challenged for the ball with his studs showing he was asking for a red, you just can't do that anymore.

Yes I do really care Ottery, and I can see no viable alternatibe to Lowe right at this minute. That is not to say that I don't also pray for some benign mega rich sugar Daddy to come and save us. Take Lowe out of the equasion for a moment. What is required in the current circumstances given that no one has the cash to bail us out? Someone who can take tough unpopular decisions? Someone who can work in a tight financial situation? Wilde, Crouch, Hone, Hoos etc tried and failed and we are in a bigger mess now. If Lowe is not here to make tough cals then someone else would have to wouldn't they? If Lowe has sold a three year plan to the backers and bought the club some time, then fair play to him. If a creditable alternative pitches up and finds some more cash to play with, great. Personally I don't think that alternative is Crouch or Merrington or McMemency etc, so who does that leave?