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I don't think that being a fan and running the club are always a good thing. Crouch had a chance to do this before and under we we were nearly went down. Surely we can do much better than that. We have gone down the anyone but Lowe road before and it hasn't worked. The next change is crucial and it has to be right.

But surely Stanley, a man with your principles will be up to protest against the hated Lowe even if we win??? Or are you going to tell me all that changes with one football result???

Why would you want Crouch back in? If there is to be another change I hope to God it is someone else with a bit of nous.

As if it matters in the great scheme of things Stanley. But if it matters to you, well done.

Sorry Alpine I just can't let this pass. How long I have been calling you Victor Meldrew? Look at your last sentence! LOL

Yep a Yank, Ellison according to 606 Collect your pinch of salt here...

Nobody picked up on the latest takeover gossip???

Yeah nostalgia is great but to be fair it doesn't pay the bills in 2009. The glory days are well behind us and the trouble with this site is that somehow it thinks that we are owed success and a decent living now. People need to grow up and look at the real world as it is now, not 30 years ago It is not just SFC that are down in the dumps. Others like Norwich and Charlton are suffering too. This is reality. Not fantasy. Not the past. Of course people want to remeber and wallow in ther good times, trouble with small clubs like us we don't have much to wallow in. Apart from the mid 80's and a brief spell under Strachan we have been cannon fodder. As my old sparing partner (Alpine) would say, deal with it.

Alpine, you really set youself up don't you?

I don't think Stanley quit understands all of this but nice try.

Since when has money ever bought success??? If £7m was the price of promotion don't you think that better placed clubs would have "bought" promotion? Chelsea are a case in point. Huge amount of money spent to make make them the best, wher have they ended up? £9m wouldn't have guaranteed promotion. £6m million spent elsewhere might have done it. It is a gamble. Most gambles fail that is why bookies are richer than punters. When we Scarpped in to 6th place we were one of the better CCC teams but we were not consistant. Why? Who knows. If it waas a scientific formula I am sure ever club would have cracked it. Think back. Lawrie mcMenemy had players like Channon and Osgood but took three years to get out of the second division. Burley had none of that class. With the money at his disposal he was NEVER going to get it. In his second full season he lost Jones Bale and Baird with no hard cash to replace like for like. Burley said, fairly I think, that our plan was to get to the play offs. We did. If he had said we will get promoted he would have fallen short, but we reached our goal. What is your problem with that?

We have recently had a respected old fan post a nostaligic thread. No harm in that you might think...... Trouble is, we are not living in the 60's or 70's or 80's. The glory days are WELL behind us. Our squad is the weakest in many decades. Finacially we are screwed. We need to a) avoid administration and b) avoid relegation. For all of the pontification on here the only way of avoiding a) is to run the club prudently and b) for everyone to get behind SFC. The Alpines, Fitzhugh Fellas, the Stanleys have their followers, but it is the Nicks and the Frank's Cousins who talk common sense and whose opions are better palced to take SFC forward. Knee jerk reactionaries have always been 5 minute wonders. What we need is common sense and pragmatism. I have spent hours on here (with others) trying to get the debate back to some middle ground only to be labelled a Lowe Lovvie by the blinkered and by Um Pahars a "fool". What people have to realise is that they are disappearing up their own backsides with all of this reactionary rubbish. The "good old days" are well behind us. We need to live in the real world. There are, thank God, a few posters who can see that. The others need to get their head out of their rectums and deal with what is, not with what was. So......what are the reactionaries going to do? Carry on boring the sh*t out of people or come into the real world?

No he is not. I think he is a decent pro and obviously knows the game but with money so tight, if he feels he is is better off eslewhere he should go. We need people here who want to be her come what may. In the side or out.

Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Alpine has said something I agree with F*ck

I see them more times at St Marys than you do don't I Stanley? And if, like Alpine you think that 1.54 points per game is rubbish, perhaps you are better off at all of the other grounds where you chose to spend your money.

Yes Alpine, but after taking us down and spending three years to get us back up with a squad not far off 1st division standard, you would have been on the web every then calling for his head. Burley never had players like Channon and Osgood to call on yet you slate him for not getting promotion in only one season. Now run along (in your parlance) and go and think about what you actually say on here, there's a good chap.

Didn't Snodin go to Charlton???

No Alpine we don't. Which is another reason why you come across as a blinkered bigot. If you think that a manager with a win ratio of 43% is rubbish so be it. But is speaks more about what you have going on than anything else. Someone on here once called you a characture of a fan, I can see why. You are so eaten up with bigotry you can't even look at the facts and make sense of them. I am not sure what is the saddest, the fact that you actualy seem to believe what you say or the fact that there are some people on here who actually agree with you. Irrespective of what division they have managed us in, only three managers have managed to average 1.5 points per game or more for us. The one with the highest average is, according to you, rubbish. What points ratio does a manager have to achieve in your eyes that makes him acceptable Alpine? 3 a game???

I can't believe that people stil attack him. He had a decent win per games ratio and we have had far worse managers. Did you ever see Burley give Mandaric a thumbs up after a drubbing at Portsmouth? The last decent season we had for years was under Burley. Why slate him for that? It was like the Birmingham fans slating Bruce when they were top of the table.

Agreed.

Ah, you would be another one with an agenda then.

Because it is interesting to see how people compare. Of course you are not measuring like with like, but it does show those managers who managed to get the best of what they had in the divisions they were in. I suppose it winds up people like Alpine with agendas who want to tell us how rubbish someone like Burley was for example. Whilst I am not saying he was a best manager he was obvioulsy far from our worst. What wouldn't any of us give for 1.54 points per game whatever divsion we were in?

You really do have a problem don't you Alpine. Bates and McMenemey both spent time in the lower reaches. McMenemy took what, three seasons to get promotion with the likes of Channon and Osgood in his squad. Another point you conveniently avoid is the fact that McMenemy was able to call on the highest calibre of players we ever had in the 80's. It is horses for courses. Burley had a CCC squad and played in the CCC remember? I still think that to "hate" someone you have never met and know nothing about apart from tittle tattle on an internet chat board shows signs of a disturbed psyche. You carry on hating him Alpine. He is still the most successful manager we have had in terms of points per game so it shows wher you are coming from. And as for tiisues of lies...what is it with you eh? You spend your life bending the facts to suit your warped agenda. You need to grow up Alpine and get a perspective. These are facts Alpine not your version of the facts.

You could say he retired much earlier when with us...but when he was an form he was terrific.