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Oh dear, the old "he doesn't go to games therefore he can't have an opinion" thing again. And I have lost my marbles. And as for Alpine, I was not talking about boring posts I was talking about negativity.

Could do with that now to help pay the bills!!!

I don't know if Big John McGrath was ever captian, but we could certainly use someone like him now!

Closer

Negativity can thrive for so long before the even the people spouting it get bored (apart from Alpine who seems to thrive on it!). Even the stuff spouted by the plants gets boring after a time as it becomes more and more transparent.

Surely Take That are way too old to play at St Marys nowdays???

Perhaps they should just paraphrase War and Peace each week? Really what do you expect from a football club website?

Visions usually take more than a few months to come to fruition don't they? And does any one truly know what Lowe's vision is? From what I gather his current plan is to stave off administration (which despite the people on here telling us it is imminent it has yet to happen) by bringing down the cost base, which is happening is it not? It is to bring on the youth to help save money on transfer fees and wages, that is happening. It is to get back to the Premiership in three seasons - looks very unlikely right now but we can't say that failed until three seasons have passed. I don't recall anyone at the club saying that we were going to set the world alight this season. If we stay out of administration and stay up I don't see that as a failure. If the plan is Premiership football in three seasons and we don't make that I would see that as failure.

If you have never met the man you can hardly make a valid judgement. You might not like what he does or how he presents himself but to make a decision based on those things is highly subjective. I don't want him to stay. Out of Wilde Crouch and Lowe I think he is the best thing for the club but there is always someone out there better. Do I like him? I'd be interested to have a pint or two with him to see what makes him tick but don't think he would be on my Christmas card list based on what I THINK I know of him.

Do we know who much the banks wanted us to save? If JP and Woote combined cost us less than Pearson and kept us afloat at that point didn't the decision make sense business-wise? I have no idea how much sh*t we were in, but given we were desparate to get shot of the high earners I would say quite a lot...so saving money on the coaching side must have been a big factor too.

Harsh....but fair!!!

Go back and check the thread about us going into administration last week and many believed it to be true. We seem to be discussing these incidents as if they happened. We were going to see our best young players in January and that was believed...I could go on..

In retrospect I think that Wotte might have been a better bet for 1st team coach and JP below him...but the damage is done. At Christmas I thought we might be able to scrap our way out of it, but the other teams, apart frpm Charlton, seem more able than us to get the points needed. I think that Wotte will do slightly better than JP but I can't see us winning enough matches sadly.

What amazes me is that how something that is printed on an inernet chat forum instatly becomes fact. Perhaps we should debate these things as and when it is proven that the attack happened or that Lallana did actually burst into tears?

In some ways it is like who is your favourite Bond. A lot of people would go with the won who did the best when they were younger. Bates managed when I started suporting Saints but I saw more football under Lawrie Mac and he did build some of the best squads we ever had. Both enjoyed long career with us and both were given time, something that doesn't happen nowdays. STrachan did well briefyly but looked like he had lost the plot after Christmas. Ok, he took us to a Final (by virtue of some kind draws) but bottled the team selection for the Final big time agter The Arse had ripped us aprt in the league just before. Burely in his one full season wasn't able to find the level of conistency to top the league, but did give us some great winds, not least putting 6 past Wolves away. Chris Nicholl was not the right choice to take over from LM and failed to build on his legacy. Only three manager maged to average a win every other game, Burley, McMenemy and Hoddle. Ted Bates was just under with 1.42 points per game but of course managed an awful lot more than anyone else. We have had two great managers, Lawrie Mac and Ted Bates and you can argue who was the better until the cows come home. The rest came and went and some did okay in patches but I don't think that anyone else came close to those two. The most enjoyment I have had being Saints fan came under those two. I enjoyed Strachan for about half a season (his post match interviews were always worth watching even if the result didn't go our way), Burley's play off season and Dave Jones's Great Escape. It was good to see Bally give Le Tiss his total support but the results were not fantastic in that period, it was more about enjoying Le Tiss.

Of course Lowe has made mistakes. Everyone on the planet makes mistakes. It is called being human. What I don't understand is that why Lowe's mistakes seem to be worthy of daily dissection more so than those of Crouch, Wilde or maybe the people who run Charlton etc? Okay, so maybe some people would feel better about him if he took out a section on The Saints website to wear a hairshirt every day. Frankly I would much prefer that he spent his time looking after the finances and supporting his manager and staff (and keeping out of the spotlight). As for being DoF. What is that exactly? Someone who negotiates contracts etc? I have no problem with that. Now if you were suggesting he made himself Head Coach then yes, I would have a problem with that. As for all the commotion about Lowe knowing nothing about football - he seems to have a better eye for goalkeepers than WGS! The bloke has run a football club for over a decade which means that he has over a decades experience of running a football club more than anyone on this site. In hindight it wasn't the best decision in the wrold to bring in JP but if you look back and follow the thought process and see the bigger picture you could see why it happened. In hinsight what was thought to be a very pragmatic and good decision (to bring in Redknapp) also backfired. Unfortunetly for Lowe and SFC he does not share the crystal ball that many on here seem to have. LOwe currently runs the club, I think he is entitled to get involved in any decsions that affect the club - just as Wilde and Crouch did. CEOs at every club make decsions about who comes and who goes - why should LOwe be any different? Because he is a "toff"? because people don't like him? Running a club of our size and dealing with the expecations of the fans of a club of our size is no easy matter - as Wilde and Crouch found out and as the bloke who replaces Lowe will find out. No one is saying that Lowe (or Crouch or Wilde or anybody else) is above critisism, but when when it goes to the depths that it frquently does here (and involves death threats) then it goes way too far (IMHO). Things are cr*p. Things were often cr*p wen we were in The Premiership. Things are even worse for Charlton right now. Sh*t happens but this is just football. To wake up in the morning hating someone you have probably never met is not a very healthy situation to be in.

Wasn't Euell seen as a total donkey by TSW not so long ago? Wasn't the perceivd wisdom here to play the kids because they couldn't do any worse than the journeymen like Euell? Whoever picks the team, whether it is Wotte, Lowe or Steve Godwin's nephew, there are 11 people out on the pitch who earn their money by playing professional football and have to be held to account. Whoever picks the team, if they lose and are doing badly various people on here will say it is because we are picking various wrong players. Even when we were in the frame for the play offs there were still arguements about why Wright and Davis were playing. I don't recall anyone saying that Lowe picked the team then.

Jonah posted very frequently casting doubt on the Wilde Bunch but he was roundly slagged off by the Anyone But Lowe brigade.

Yep, very sad but I am surprised that he manage what he did. Here's hoping he is a good a coach as he was player.

He should feel really at home in the CCC then!

If you only post cr*p in the heat of the moment you are doing better than most of us!!! Thing is, when Lowe goes, as he will, if the next bloke doesn't set the world alight he too will get a roasting, and so it wil go on.....still it keeps us of the streets!!!

Player in and none out, result!!! Not sure whether that is a good thing re the financial situation but not unhappy that Rudi is staying and we have another big centre half.

So no Killer for the rest of the season then, if at all....

Oo-er misses, very nice but pricey

At least he would bring the average age of the team up to about 16.