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Donald in trouble with the law again. https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/trump-is-sued-over-white-house-ballroom-construction-3e9098a0?gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=AWEtsqfH-gLp0s9XVuG3oloSMWg_KCl5IwFRBRJweTn6I08cR2x6qZ4fk9OXT-Qp7ZY%3D&gaa_ts=693c7f7c&gaa_sig=biQJ5IYCu0n0FdksN2wVpJkwTah6lbJxBxQKxZYAxzW7fuDADCGQg678a5s7cMs0yZ8dvBPDD-gNv12cbsVM6w%3D%3D

I have read countless articles and listened to countless broadcasts where the journalists/reporters have described Reform UK as “far right” and Robinson’s views as being “far right” but if you are desperate for some names here are two recent ones - Jon Sopel and Emily Maitlis.

I didn’t say you were. In fact I said that I didn’t think that you were. The language that I use comes from the people in the media who talk about people with what they call far right opinions. If posters support those people it is not unreasonable to conclude that they sympathise with the views expressed. There is a big difference between Ralph and myself. He defends the views of the kind of people I attack. I am not the only person who thinks that Farage, Robinson etc are scumbags with abhorrent views. Anyone supporting or defending them is no better. If you posted something slagging off Robinson and someone responded by being supportive of him, don’t tell me that you wouldn’t reach the same conclusion that I would. I will say this for both Ralph and nic, neither pretend to be anything other than who they are and are very open about what they believe in.

I don’t know what constitutes a moderate Tory in the 1930’s but there was clearly a big gap between the main Tory Party and people like Mosley and his black shirts. Obviously we didn’t have the immigrant issue in the 30’s to the extent that we do now, although Jewish communities faced discrimination. My point is that the Tory Party became more divided over Brexit with the party generally moving further to the right. You mentioned being a one nation Tory yourself, those moderates vanished after Johnson came to power. There is now an area of politics that is between a moderate Tory and the extreme right (which you could label fascistic). This area covers people with the type of views that have been mentioned about and are labelled now as “far right” and “alt-right.” What you would call “right” the media calls “far right” now to differentiate between moderates and more hardliners. From what you post I don’t think that you could be classed as “far right” so it differentiates between your views and those with harder views. I think we all know what we are talking about, we just use different labels.

Not sure where to start. Most of them to be honest, hence why the AI search refers to the definition of “far right” as it does. As I have said before, I refer to certain people and views as being “far right” because the media do.

Haven’t seen Yellowstone but we enjoyed 1883 and 1923. I’m not going to be very original and say The Sopranos and Games of Thrones. Came late to The Line Of Duty but that is up there. Oh yes, agree with Slow Horses too. Comedy wise it has to be Only Fools and Horses along with Monty Python and Fawlty Towers with a special mention for Michael Palin’s Ripping Yarns. Tomkinson’s Schooldays was particularly brilliant.

Katie Hopkins’ official YouTube channel has had over 160 million views. I wouldn’t call that disappearing from view. She might not be as visible as she was before she was suspended from Twitter/X but her name is still synonymous with far right views.

Sanctions or no sanctions, under International law what the US did = piracy.

If you look at the definition above it says that the definition has changed in recent. The degrees from centre right to extreme right have been redefined to meet today’s ideologies rather than those of the 1930’s.

You want me to give you a list of decent journalists?

Do you think that the KKK are pro Trump/MAGA? If so, would you be “concerned.”

I think you will find that a great many people do, given his background. And yes, I do too. Why? He ticks all the boxes ( read above)

Fine, but then the discussion breaks down because you don’t have the same reference points. When I talk about the mainstream media I am not talking about the front page of the Daily Mail. I am talking about vey well regarded journalists. They aren’t all rubbish.

My point is that I use exactly the same labels that the general media uses for people with certain views and ideologies. If you wish to call those views “right” that is your definition. Others would call those views “far right.” We can spend all day throwing definitions around. It is simpler to talk about people with those views, but then you need to know who those people and what their views are.

If you are going to engage in discussion about the growth of “far right” views in this country you really need to. Otherwise you end up like The Kraken and call people “fuckwits” when they are just using definitions that are widely used in the mainstream media.