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The same weird state of confusion that believes that Manchester United is a Manchester Football Team, despite playing all its home games in Trafford. Just to show how confused I am, I also believe that Trafford is a borough, about the same size as Southampton, from this abstract: The Metropolitan Borough of Trafford is a metropolitan borough of Greater Manchester, England. It has a population of 211,800,[2] covers 41 square miles (106 km2),[3] and includes the towns of Altrincham, Partington, Sale, Stretford, and Urmston.

Exactly...as this abstract explains... The Portsmouth Urban Area, in south-east Hampshire, includes the following components (as defined by the Office for National Statistics) Fareham Portchester Gosport Havant Lee-on-the-Solent Portsmouth Stubbington Waterlooville Greater Portsmouth is an unofficial term sometimes used for the conurbation, but which sometimes refers only to Portsmouth, Havant and Waterlooville, and sometimes includes the whole of the Portsmouth Urban Area together with adjoining parts of West Sussex The Portsmouth urban area can be looked at as part of a larger multi-centred conurbation also including Greater Southampton South Hampshire or Solent City is a term used mainly to refer to the metropolitan area formed by the cities of Portsmouth and Southampton and their suburbs and commuter towns, in southern Hampshire, England region. PUSH (Partnership for Urban South Hampshire) is a partnership of local councils in this area to provide a more cohesive strategy for the area as a whole in key policy areas, and to act as pressure group for the area at the county and national level.

Why can't we, as the great John Lennon said, "Give war a chance..."?

I once saw the Saints play at Giants stadium, in New Jersey, in front of 75,000 fans. This stadium is home to two American football teams, the New York Jets and the New York Giants. So, we have two teams from New York, playing their home games in a different state. The stadium is being replaced in 2010 by the Meadowlands Stadium, modelled on the Allianz Stadium in Munich, right down to the changing colour of the stadium and the potential sponsor of the new building (Allianz btw, for $30M, although the Jewish lobby in New York frightened them off). This is worth a read. Maybe our esteemed German owner will show the same Germanic pragmatism as they have in Munich. I have a feeling the "little Englanders" we have for a fanbase will happily p! $$ on any bonfire he lights and watch with pleasure as Pompey go out of business and we languish outside the Premiership for another 20 years. Arsenal have shown that to make money and be successful you need a large crowd going every week. This part of the South could easily support 40,000 plus crowds for Premiership football, rock concerts and national games. Meanwhile, Eastleigh Borough Council!!! spunk £32M on a hotel at the Rosebowl, where they are ecstatic if 20,000 turn up and the average gate for a league game is about 2,000....

In real terms, the idea that Portsmouth and Southampton are separate cities died when the M27 was built. For all practical purposes, we are a conurbation that should be known as Solent City, two suburbs, 15 minutes by car, apart...

The Allianz Arena in Munich is home to Bayern and 1860 Munich. Look at the way the Germans arrange the Stadium: Allianz Arena is lit up in red when Bayern Munich play, in blue when 1860 Munich play and in white when in use by the German National Team. 1860 Munich play in the 2nd Tier of German Football, by the way...

As I posted in the original thread: "In fact, a lot of people from the M27 corridor from Chichester to Bournemouth, from the M3 corridor from Southampton to Basingstoke would go every week to see both teams. 45,000 capacity would be needed...and we may even end up with both clubs dominating the Premiership. Who knows?"

....I had the temerity to post this thread on our site. Fast forward and I can't help thinking that if we could get past the deep seated prejudices and concentrate on the economic and footballing sense of ground sharing, someone from the Portsmouth FC will fly to Switzerland and discuss probably the only option that will save the club and provide our club with a much larger income to fund our development. My interest was sparked by the news that the proposed Everton stadium has been kicked into touch. Read the article by Oliver Kay in the Times today. The reality will dawn on the two Liverpool clubs that the only way for them to survive and compete in the Premiership will be to share. This is an interesting extract: Going halves on grounds Clubs sharing a stadium has never taken root in this country, but there are examples abroad. San Siro, AC Milan and Inter Milan, capacity 80,018 They have shared a stadium for 62 years. Hosted Champions League finals, rugby matches and concerts. Allianz Arena, Bayern Munich and 1860 Munich, 69,901 1860 Munich compete in Germany’s second tier, and with a considerably smaller fanbase to boot. The stadium, opened in 2005, will host the 2012 Champions League final. Luzhniki Olympic Complex, Spartak Moscow and Torpedo Moscow, 78,360 Maybe the most famous artificial football pitch in the world, where John Terry slipped as he ran up to take a penalty in the Champions League final in 2008. They have shared the home for 15 years. Maracanã, *Botafogo, Flamengo and Fluminense, 82,238 Brazil’s biggest and most famous stadium is home to three of Rio’s largest clubs. They share the ground not only with each other, but with volleyball matches, concerts and even a visit from the Pope. In 2016, the Maracanã will stage the opening and closing ceremonies of the Olympic Games. *I think Oliver Kay of the Times is wrong in this regard. Botafogo apparently play their home games at Estádio Olímpico João Havelange

I saw Ron Davies play many times at the Dell, walking there rather than taking the bus. In my humble opinion, having watched many great centre forwards play at the Dell, St. Marys and many other stadia all over the world, Ron Davies was the best orthodox centre forward in the world. You never watched him, but the way he hung in the air, defying gravity as he headed the ball, explained why Ted Bates thought he was the best centre forward in Europe. I think he underestimated him... Read this and learn...

I suggest you guys google slingbox and learn how to watch Sky on either an IPhone or Blackberry For the cost of the slingbox and no monthly fee. Sky will never be able to charge for this...

I particularly like this photo of him chatting with Robbie Savage

...managers he's played for and players he's faced, reckons that Alan Pardew was the best manager he ever played for. In the Sun today...for what it's worth. I wonder what our players currently think of AP...?

Cut the "noble cause" sh !t, Wes. As soon as many of the "fair weather" fans experience a little drizzle, they'll join you, shopping with the missus on a Saturday afternoon, again. Not that I don't welcome their presence on match days, but to suggest that the people that deserted the club in it's hour of need, somehow should show satisfaction that they brought about the situation we are lucky to find ourselves, is total b0ll0x and an insult to the fans that turned up during the hard times. Save your keyboard strokes for the supporters that inspired the new owner to buy us. I doubt that it was the gutless stayaways that you try hard to turn into people with a cause celebre. Their absence was due to far more mundane reasons than the previous chairman's social background...

Hence Yorkie bars...eaten well before the final whistle...

...unrealistic ones. Gratitude has replaced ingratitude. Relative harmony has replaced total disharmony and "Give us a wave, Pardew..." has replaced "Hang Lowe..." Attractive football has replaced dire hoofball and team spirit has replaced dis-spirit. Fiscal responsibility has replaced debt laden dreams but something just doesn't seem to have been replaced. That happens to be the unquenchable support the club has had, through thick and thin, from the ordinary fans. Wouldn't it be a nice gesture, at our next well-attended home game, for the club to make a small gesture of gratitude to those ordinary fans? A free Yorkie would be enough.... Fan's day....just one a season, Christ knows it has been earnt.

Definitely Lambert's goal and the Echo confirms this today....

...probably...

If you think that my original thread presents the same argument as the one made by David Conn over 10 years ago, then you obviously have a problem with the English language, which makes any attempt by me to debate, rather pointless. You appear to think that his statement in the book, that Newcastle, amongst a number of other Premiership clubs, such as Liverpool, are money making machines for the stock market, rather than clubs run for the fans, is still true today and that this, in some way is what I was arguing. Hope that's not too "snarky" for you....

Wes, I'll make this simple for you, so that you will understand why you are going back on ignore and everyone will see what a tool you are and that you only have yourself to blame. You pi $$ me off because you're a pompous old windbag who is constantly looking for a bandwagon to jump on or an opinion to hang on to. The evidence for this is that you accused me of plagiarising, yet out of over 3,000 posts, you have managed a sum total of 6 threads all of which have either been quotes of other publications as in the case of these: Alan Pardew's birthday I don't know whether it has been mentioned on any of the many threads about our new manager, but according to the announcement on the OS, tomorrow is Alan Pardew's birthday. McLeish after Bale McLeish is seeking to buy Gareth Bale from Spurs for Birmingham Saints owe Bournemouth money This has just been published:-Championship side Southampton's parent company went into administration recently and that appears to have had a knock on affect, with Southampton FC owing AFC Bournemouth money. Hatters consider legal action Just reported in thr last half hour:-Luton director Stephen Browne admits the club are prepared to take legal action against the Football League if they fail to dock points from Southampton. Stern shocks States Really? Did he score a spectacular goal? What is the matter with the OS? ...or this shameless cr @p: Would you BOYCOTT? Ways to get rid of Lowe and the board Well, I think that the time has come. We've had him forced back on us by the Quisling Wilde's alliance with Lowe and his cronies and there is nothing that can be done by way of an EGM to rid us of him through the shareholdings unless Wilde changes horses yet again. In summary, Wes, despite claiming that my threads are unoriginal and copied from someone else, you have in fact, demonstrated just how large a w @ank stain you are on the fabric of this website.

Different era, different argument, but don't let that stop you spouting bo££ox. Reading you and Wes, is liking watching a re-run of a poor Laurel and Hardy film...

In the same way that you are replying to my post, using the same medium, but simply using different words? Muppet...

David Conn's argument in 1998 was about football in the 90's and "how clubs such as Manchester United, Newcastle United, Tottenham Hotspur and others (were turned) into stockmarket money-making machines." Feel free to look for different arguments than I was making and claim they are the same. Read his book again, this time without dribbling on the pages...

Nostradamus lives.....

I think that one of the most dramatic moments in the history of our club, must have been when Lowe was forced to call in the receiver. What was that fateful board meeting like to witness? What events pushed our great club to the brink of extinction. Was it too many bad decisions made by the management or just bad decisions by the banks? I have a feeling that it could have been just a minor payment that the bank failed to honour and that pushed Lowe into a position that he was powerless to control. What is interesting is that since the purchase of our club, Swiss TV are, for obvious reasons, very interested in the dramatic events behind the fall of Lowe. I have been able to obtain an exclusive video dramatisation of that last board meeting, that is to be shown on Swiss TV next week. Obviously, it is in German, but luckily it has been subtitled in English. You can find it here.

Fair point and I'm OK with that. Great job with this Steve, BTW. Reflects well on the site and it's members, IMO...