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By the way, just out of interest you understand - how old are you? So anyway I'll play with ya once again Kid; if you care to checkback on Mane, the hottest Saints peoperty in years best since MLT etc etc - as indeed he is proving - he was "always" going to Man U. . . . . http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/10/15/sadio-mane-reveals-why-he-was-right-to-choose-liverpool-over-man/ Now remind us, who did he sign for? . . . . .Sorta tuning in?

Let's get something right here SKD and sum up if we can, this transcends mere football, scousers, saints and any other refuge you're trying to crawl into, you are wishing a fellow human being serious injury and the really awful thing is that you don't apparently see anything wrong in that at all; young and impressionable people no doubt log into these discussions and at each point your obnoxious comment is highlighted you idiotically attempt to defend your stance using very poor, if not hypocritical logic. So mate, If Lallana did anything "wrong" then wishing him serious injury must make it right in your world, which in its turn provides an insight into the world you inhabit and one is compelled to say what a horrible world it must be. Getting the point now in any shape or form? We can only live in hope.

Try to fair to people's rationalisation processes on this Forum, SKD, since to any fair-minded person little of that response of yours makes real sense in the light of what has preceded it in this debate, in regard to what you have previously written. If you wish Lallana serious injury as you claim and is irrefutably evidenced herein, wriitten down as it is in this Thread, how can you then say you don't begrudge the lad leaving? If you wish him serious injury then the obviously corollary is you must de facto "begrude him leaving" ; for example are you asking us to accept that had he of not signed for Liverpool FC and was still at the Saints you would be wishing him serious injury then? As you can see [we hope!] the postion you are taking in regard to Lallana is a position that in any form of logic is mutually exclusive. Hence we can claim what you write post that comment does not stand scrutiny. So then let's move on to "stabbing your employers in the back" any rational examination what you offer there, provides further evidence that you don't grasp what's involved in this at all, blinded by your own venom as you are. Obtaining £25 million for a player who cost basically nowt is being stabbed in the back? Let's face it a portion of this Thread shows tremendous glee and hope in the fact that Lallana was failing and was going to fail at Liverpool FC. Had he of failed at Liverpool that section of fans would have been ecstatic and there would have been shouts along the lines of, "£25 mill for that crap, what a deal we struck!" and "How very clever we all were," and so on and so forth, there would have been no mention of being stabbed in the back at all, just pats on the back for having obtained £25 mill for player who was thought to be good, then got found out at a major club; some might say schadenfreude at its most shameful. Liverpool took a chance on Lallana there were no other serious contenders for his signature at the time and Saints received £25 mill which many fans [Liverpool and impartial] were claiming was too much for the player at the time and at £25 mill Liverpool took something of a gamble in signing him; as I write above there were no other real contenders for his signature. So what unfolded can hardly be summed up by your comment of "being stabbed in the back" at all. As for your other gem, "Maybe I'm just a better man than you" well that is a mere psychological deflection mechanism on your part, which in it's turn indicates the mistake you realise have made in you claiming you wish Lallana serious injury, since whether you are a better man than me or not, has no real validity whatsoever in regard to what is under discussion here, hence that comment of yours is as stated merely an attempt at personalisation in order to deflect. So then you could be a better man than me who knows? The evidence herein, however, certainly shows you are perhaps a much more bitter man than me. Concomitant to which when it comes to writing, "you wish Lallana serious injury", there is further indication you may have to gain the courage and be man enough to try to admit to yourself that such a mindset shows a very serious flaw in your make-up as a human being indeed.

However, SKD, to wish someone serious injury as cold and as calculated as you have done here, and publicly so at that, takes matters to a new level. Let's say you're employed by a company in a certain position and another company offers you a similar position at say twice to three times your current salary, with more lucrative contracts on offer, allied to even better perks and expense accounts etc. etc. are you implying you wouldn't take the new job? Of course you would! We all would and many of us would pull every trick in the book to get that much better job; and that's the way society in general ticks [whether we might like it or not]. Now of course football has an emotional dimension attached to it that "ordinary" employment might not, however, should that emotional attachement psychologically destabilize you to the level where you definitively wish serious injury to befall someone, it is most definitely time to take a long, hard, serious look at yourself in relation to the cause of that emotional destabilisation in general and yourself as a human being in particular.

Probably why they destroyed Chelsea at Stamford Bridge and are currently top of the league.

The key as with most of us in lfe Manuel, whether we like it or not - is MONEY. Big Money gets the best players in the main, dare I say Mane . Man City were a Yo-Yo-Club, in comes Prince Mansour offering a min of £100,000 and then above per week to players and City overnight become a major football force. Big money is the trick.

Yes, NS, Lallana is now beginning to look an absolute snip at £25Mill. "Engine room" of club and country now.

Yes very true WC, well observed, that being the case we can add that Ince crossed the alps perhaps, but not the East Lancs or M62. So unless Klopp and Mourinho ditch that unwritten law, the chances of Shaw merely signing for Liverpool are very slim, having said that if anyone is likely to merely shrug their shoulders and complete such a deal it's Jose, that's if he's there long enough.

Liverpool, Man U have an unwritten law no player crosses the East Lancs road or the M62 to sign for the other side, the last player to do so was over 50 years ago a Man U reserve player. Though Klopp and Mourinho might try try to create a piece of football history and notoriety we could suppose.

They carry on as they are and they'll be worth a £159 million.

The fact that you were subject to that vileness while you were with your child sums matters up totally and is an indictment of the way society is going. IMHO you most definitely made the correct move by leaving the carriage, otherwise I doubt very much had you spoken out that they would have desisted from subjecting you and your child to Direct Verbal Abuse and where might that have led to? Discretion is the better part of valour and the mere fact that you felt compelled to "have ago" in such dire circumstances, speaks very highly of you LDH.

On that basis he must feel very aggrieved over something this season, he must have been MOTM or MOTM candidate in every game he's played.

Really? My bad! My sincerest apologies FAS - it would seem I'm just not with things at the moment, do forgive!

What a seemingly belligerent person you are, fascist tendencies duly noted. So any thoughts on the football matter to hand, in that the post may or may not contain merit in regard to the fact such corruption may well have impinged on the likes of the Saints in terms of bungs and illegal approaches for their stars etc? Or do you just wish to continue exhibiting your pronounced predilection for arse-hole tendencies? Your choice.

On the other thread which I created concerning this [apologies once again] Hutch claims "And as none of it is Saints-related, they should all be in General Sports." Well Hutch I'm not entirely sure about that myself, because one could make a strong case that this issue should indeed be dealt with in terms of the greatest number being made aware of matters pertaining thereby utilising the "main" Forum could make sense. It makes sense because it indicates how corrupt things are virtue of Big Business having hijacked the game and could well serve or help prove how the Saints best players could be err being "tapped up"? Of course that then would mean it further helps prove there is a general financial malaise [and blind-eye condition] that may reach to the very top [as if we already didn't suspect that] - that being the case it probably could affect The Saints directly and many other clubs and therefore the game as a whole?

My apologies, I have just noticed there is a thread dealing with this very matter:blush:. Specsavers here I come!

Big Sam Allardodgy has of course been here before, the last time if I recall correctly it also involved his son. Which as One of the reasons I found his England manager appointment so puzzling . . . . . http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/26/exclusive-investigation-england-manager-sam-allardyce-for-sale/

And even more uncomfortable with the results so far "gained" there. The Saints 3 goals and performance made some of them feel uncomfortable to the tune of ranting hysteria jellied legs and knees-up's of a different kind

"Assume as thou wilt sir, for thou must maketh it profound unto they very own self, if indeed no one else, while to others it is foolishness committed to words!" [Malory] "The truth comes in many guises" [Wittgenstein]. ;)For some of course the truth itself becomes contention. So farawaysaint instead of making assumptions that suit your own predilection [the first quote] why not take what is written to task and prove it's incorrect, it might make me spend a fiver, but it could be worth it

Hi DM, thank you for your very kind post. Yes, the reason I commenced posting on here was due to the fact Liverpool were in a sense plundering your club, loving football as I do not just my team, ergo Southampton FC is as important a club as say Real Madrid is, as is say lowly Rochdale FC to any other club we care to mention and I grew concerned over the last few years that the "obscene" money suffusing the game may well cause its ruin, I now have developed an affinity for the Saints and of course a number of Scousers have been instrumental in helping develop this great club, rattling a few off the top of my head; Case, Adkins, Lee, Lambert with honorary Scousers once removed in the form of Ball and Keegan. In essence then it can be debated that Big Business has to a large extent hijacked the game we all love, so let's be honest here, if that's IF the Saints had been able to hang on to their finest, is there any doubt they would, with the right manager also on board, be challenging Real Madrid, Barca and Bayern et al for the ECL? The sad part is that Mane, Bale, Lovren, Lallana, Clyne, Shaw, et al are now showing for the respective clubs that that would probably be the case. This knowledge brings pain, as is evident with Saints fans [as indeed it would with most football fans] as they hope their defectors in the Mane fail [sorry couldn't help that]. It would be "nice" to have seen the Saints indeed hold on to their prime assets, unfortunately money rules and the players like most of us follow the big money and Saints fans, as indeed West Ham fans of not that long ago, in regard to Cole, Ferdinand, Lampard, Carrick, Johnson, Tevez, Mascherano etc. are left to lament the constant sale of their prime assets. IMHO if West Ham had been able to hold on their best at that time the they would, with the right manager at the helm, have won the Title what, say 4-5 times? As for Saints and the Sunday-Thursday schtick you mention I think most Saints fans understand that your squad isn't deep enough in terms of experience to pull off a combined EL and EPL high-spot, one or two major injuries could prove crucial. Though having said that footy can surprise us - that's one of its endearing traits in that the likes of Real Madrid or Barca, [sevilla] should with absolute, undoubted certainty defeat the likes of Saints every time, however, there is always that undercurrent of footy uncertainty, so the likes of Bradford go to Stamford Bridge and put 4 past Chelsea. So hope within us fans springs eternal, however, overall the teams that spend the most always tend to win the most. So if anything will undo the Saints it will probably be squad depth and cutting-edge experience. Yet that hope, however seemingly slim, will among many of us never be denied! Here's hoping that the Saints win the EL!

Dave be fair, you must have watched lots of football down the years? Any player, even the world's greatest can and do miss sitters. Lovren took it well and painful I know but he has gradually become immense for Liverpool, along with Lallana, Clyne and of course the mercurial Mane. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v04htGzxNaM

Every team is vulnerable. Liverpool have played Arsenal away, Spurs away, Chelsea away and outplayed them all, on top of that they also beat the League Champions very convincingly. A very decent start.

Clyne, Lallana and Mane were outstanding, with Lallana being nominated as the MOM yesterday, following on from MOM performance for England, if they keep this up they coiuld help propel Liverpool into real contention.

Yeah it undoubtedly is, since it would be Liverpool.