TwoPints

So, all this time, you were just being pedantic and there was me thinking you had a point to make.

Cracking set of results tonight. It's all starting to fall apart (again) for the fishy few.

Yes, I understood that. What I'm still struggling to understand, which I thought I'd made clear in my post, is that you fail to explain what it is that makes you believe I have little understanding of the basics given that I provided you with an answer to your question. You also seem to have dodged my question about what is is about the information I quoted to you, given the sources of that information, that makes you believe it to be untrue. A little explanation of your assertions that people don't understand the basics if they disagree with you would be helpful. Otherwise it just comes across that you're just denying the facts presented without justifying your reasons for doing so. It's very easy for all of us just to say 'no I don't believe that and because you do, you don't understand' in response to anything presented to them.

9 points from the top 3 now. ?

Batman's beaten him to it. ?

The problem with your posts Mash is that you don't actually say anything that makes any sense. Which parts of my responses to your specific question do you have an issue with and maybe rather than just making meaningless comments you could elaborate a little on what your issue is with my response. That way we might be able to have a sensible debate.

Unfortunately not. But funny all the same.

So you agree that the article is factually correct the and not just 'propoganda' then. I don't think anyone said the only benefit of being in the EU was the structural funding, if you'd read more than the first two lines, you'd have found a whole list of benefits. None of which are free.

So what was the point of your post then? If you can't believe what politicians say, why are you quoting two of them, one of which was from 11 years ago?

Just checked the numbers and the ONS numbers for the same period that the article was written quoted 50% of UK exports went to the EU. I'm not sure what period the article referred to but it's in the same ballpark so not sure why you think it's not true. For the structural funding to areas hit by economic decline, a quick Google from 2013 (the year the article was written) shows that about €10bn was allocated to the UK for structural funding. Again I'm not sure why you think it's all untrue.

Blimey. You do post some nonsense Batman. Presumably you expected people to just read the scaremongery headline and not the bit at the end of the article which said: "Department for Business spokesman said: “The NHS is under no threat whatsoever from the TTIP deal or any other trade and investment agreement. "It cannot force the UK to privatise public services or prevent it from regulating in the public interest and any suggestion to the contrary is both irresponsible and false. “It will remain up to the UK Government and devolved administrations to decide how to run publicly funded health services, including whether private companies should be involved. "Where a service has previously been provided by a private provider, this is not irreversible.” ... and to quote a soundbite from 11 years ago and another from 2 years ago without any context around the bits you picked out to suit your argument is pointless and misleading.

It was originally from a Guardian article from January 2013 I believe. If you don't believe any of those then there's more info here: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/european-debate/so-what-has-europe-ever-done-for-you-9099786.html But I suspect that if it doesn't fit with your position on Europe then you'll either not read it or call it all a pack of lies which seems to be the way the Leavers deal with arguments that don't reflect their own view on this forum.

Maybe the reason you don't understand the argument for staying is that you refuse to read anything that justifies it?

So, any argument that goes against your position is a 'pack of lies', anything that supports it is evidence of why we should leave. No point in debating anything really then is there?

Just read the article in a bit more detail and it clearly states: "The*latest text*of the EU's negotiating proposal to the US, made public on 31 July, contains strong safeguards which enable Member States to retain full control over how they provide health services." So, nothing for me to worry about with this argument then, (apart from the current Tory governments management of the NHS).

Didn't an earlier comment mention that the NHS is exempt from TTIP? Did you miss that, choose to ignore it or is it wrong?

Eh! What has that got to do with the EU referendum?

Grief

Always knew he was a ****. Farage, Johnson, Galloway and Gove supporting the 'leave' campaign. I know which way I'm voting. I wouldn't **** on any of them if they were on fire.

Stool

"Bloody awful afternoon out. I counted about 4 different fights/fracases in the Pompey end today, it's just so embarrassing, the amount of police attending games these days is crazy but seemingly justified." Just a little something I found on 'thepompeychimes.net'. Seems that even their own fans think they're a bunch of ****s.

It's the modus operandi of extremists isn't it, to separate and segregate whatever their extreme views?

I'm IN ?

I concur. It was best when the replays just kept going until somebody won. It'll never happen again but reducing the games further just makes it the same as all the other cup competitions doesn't it?

Have you ever tried 'living off the state'? ... it's not easy and it's not living, it's just about surviving.