Unbelievable Jeff

This. 4 year International ban for teams. If UEFA want fans and teams to take it seriously and properly vett who can buy tickets and attend games, then you have to have proper punishments.

11. Brexiteers on here pretend that the lipstick on a pig new deal is the one they wanted all along, even though it was the worst deal in history a year ago and is not the no deal they've all been harping on about for the last 24 months (since they knew no deal was a thing).

...as we've recently been discussing wife beating, innocent rapists and the like recently, I was wondering what the Saintsweb opinion is on situations like this, a pedophile being stabbed to death in prison. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50042406 Discuss.

It's an interesting paradigm - even on this own thread with GM, LD and Les wanting to leave with No Deal. They will no doubt see this as a win for Boris and the far right, whereas the win is for the moderates who just wanted a sensible deal.

It seems to me now that BoJo's only chance to make that 31st date is to come up with a proper deal (although to get a treaty written, signed and approved by all parties seem a little unlikely). I wonder if he'll also ask for an extension with the reason being a deal is very close, and whether that will please his followers. If he manages to sort a deal, then I don't think many of us will be churlish enough to say that his Premiership has started anything but very successfully.

Would the decision to continue with the backstop be unilateral? I think we'll end up seeing reunionisation of NI if we go this way, but the union will break anyway if we leave.

I thought Les had left us? He threw a hissy fit and then went off in a mood?

Look it up in a dictionary if you don't know what it means. It's over 6 letters and you're a Brexit voter so I assume that's what you meant.

To be honest, I'm sure a lot of it is due to my sunny disposition and uplifting character (arf)!

Unfortunately I don't see it that way - I feel like we're lose to a tipping point in all areas of life at the moment, and as I'm sure most parents on here feel, the thought of your kids going through pain, anguish and destitution is pretty unbearable. Unfortunately the environment is only one of those pillars, but the one that will likely affect the most people.

At the moment it's fantastic. Do you not worry for their later lives?

We're ruined as a nation anyway though...we're already purposely hobbling ourselves through Brexit because we don't like foreigners, so why don't we hobble ourselves because we don't want our kids to suffer. With the way the world is going, environmentally, politically and the increase of the far right again, if I had the choice now I wouldn't have kids as I really worry for the life they're going to have.

I just don't know TBH - be interesting to see.

Unfortunately. I think you're wrong on this, there are indications that large swathes of the Labour party, if not all of them, will now support the WA, and a number of Conservatives are at breaking point with Boris and supported the deal the first time round...if they voted against it that's the end for the Tory party as they would be seem to be blocking anything but a No Deal exit. It is also a revised WA, it hasn't been voted on yet. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/14/labour-bloc-plans-radical-move-to-push-through-brexit-deal https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/lisa-nandy-won-t-vote-for-boris-johnson-s-deal-1-6308444

I have to say, I'm close to not caring anymore...there is very little joy for me in football anymore - it's probably why I end up spending my time winding up chumps in the Lounge. It's just very difficult with football in its current guise, and especially under our current ownership, to instill any sort of joy in me, let alone the commitment that supporting a football team should require. I dunno...

But they won't block it - they don't have the numbers anymore. Last time it lost was by 58 votes, but there have been massive changes since then to the make-up of Parliament, and a number of MPs who will now vote for it ahead of no-deal.

I think if Boris was to not ask for, or implement, the extension request, that will be the way to go.

That's if you believe their policies - which I don't.

The first step is awareness. No matter how annoying they are, it doesn't mean that people out there are going to buy worse cars, or use more fuel, or recycle less to spite them. But it will wake some people up.

I'm making the assumption that the numbers will still be positive for a Deal (as I think it is now), or for a Customs Union type of deal. You may know this - can Parliament bring back the WA for another vote pre-Oct 31st?

TBH, it actually plays into Corbyn's hands - Johnson still has to ask for an extension and there will be a GE coming. That GE will be fought on the fact that a Tory Government can't get a deal through Parliament, and Boris can't even get one agreed with the EU, but that Labour could as there is no appetite from the majority of parliament to go No Deal.

I didn't say it was a good revolution, did I? Brexit Central is blocked on my works network unfortunately.

And no-one is.

And now a deal is "essentially impossible" - not a surprise as we all know - THERE IS NO SOLUTION TO THE BACKSTOP. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49970267

To be fair, they were the revolution - it's why we now have a very right Conservative Party and a fast-growing middle-ground. If it weren't for that initial break no-one would have had the guts to move.