Unbelievable Jeff

Assassination of Nigel Farage?

680,000 now...

So be doesn't like blacks as well as Jews?

Surely democracy is about taking the wishes of the nation at a point in time. 3 years ago, with the information available, we wanted to leave. Now we are getting to implement that, with more information,, surely it's democratic to ask whether or not what is being proposed is what is wanted now? Surely that is the definition of democratic?

I'm guessing no-one can explain why a further vote is undemocratic, even though they refer to a further vote as undemocratic.

I don't think you're understanding my point in relation to the election. What I am saying is you vote today, but the party you vote for don't come to power for 3 years, and by then they've changed their policy and leader. It's why you don't vote ahead of time. No, it's not all about those that have changed their minds - it's about everyone who did and didn't vote at the time, and the fact that with more information people can make a more informed decision. It's different to an election as it was voted for 3 years before implementation. How is that not the right thing to do?

But it's not just about you - that's fair enough if you still see yourself as a leave voter - but what about those leave voters who have now changed their mind after learning what that leave vote meant? Aren't we in a better situation now with what we do and don't know about what leaving the EU means? So how is having a second vote undemocratic?

So what leave did you vote for? You can say "I voted leave", but others may have voted leave and have a completely different definition of leave to you, I think that's fair to say?

Don't make assumptions on what I think, I have never defended the Remain campaign. Tell me what is undemocratic about having a vote on the deal.

I genuinely, hand on heart, don't know what you're alluding to. Just give me an example.

Because what hasn't happened? In theory, we should be about to implement a deal. What is undemocratic about voting for or against that deal?

I don't know what you mean by that, go beyond ridiculous in what way?

In what way?

I agree to a certain extent. However, why would a new vote, in which we have more information to base it on, be undemocratic? It is gauging the will of the people at the time it is due to be implemented, not 3 years ahead of that time. How would you feel if you were voting in a general election, 3 years ahead of the time they came into power, yet 3 years down the line the party that had substantially changed, new leader, new policies etc. You'd want a new vote - which is sensible, surely, as it's not what you voted for in the first place.

I can't go into it now, as about to drive, but it is widely recognised that recent wage growth is due to market correction from the previous 8-10 years. I'm sure if Shurlock is around he can confirm this.

This isn't in bad faith, so I don't think it would be an issue - it was triggered too early, we all know that, and it least now we know what "deal" is possible with the EU. For me, the biggest issue is still NI and contravening the GFA. If the vote was held again, and it was well known that it could lead to a return to sectarian violence in the British Isles, I think it would lead to further votes changing sides.

We leave without a deal, it's the end of the Conservative party for a long time...therefore I can only see a long Article 50 delay, or a revocation of article 50, with the thought to reinstate once we have a plan of what we actually want.

If Labour were intelligent, which they're not, as soon as the deadline is extended they should get rid of Corbyn, and then Brexit will be cancelled.

Oh well, massive delay to Brexit it is then!

How's the march going guys?

Just gonna leave this one here...

Please tell me this is forever...or are you just flouncing off again because you keep being made to look stupid?

That's odd, because I've spenty life being a Conservative party member, and whether I'm a Remainer or Brexiteer, I'm still a Conservative. If the ERG take us out with No Deal, we will have a Labour Government for years.

Yep, and they'll get violent if they don't get their way.

I'm just impressed he replied and tried to put things in his own words. Kudos for finally doing that.