Unbelievable Jeff

Denbies does some cracking English Sparkling.

Nope! Tend to stick away from his posts.

You want to take that "Told you so" back? Sturgeon: Macron is not ruling out a longer extension. He is saying it would require deep political change at Westminster - and a great many people in the UK would agree that’s exactly what’s needed.

The other interesting thing is, how many resignations from the Tory party will we see if May's deal fails for a 3rd time? Probably enough to see her out of power, a new GE and a near definite revocation of Article 50.

And here it starts: Angus B MacNeil MP Been in touch with Speaker at #Commons Next week i will, with other MPs, apply for a Debate under Standing Order 24 to push for Commons vote to #RevokeArticle50. Revocation ends #Brexit in an afternoon & requires only one letter to EU . Tweet/email your MP to support this. I won't bother with my MP, as doubt Spreadsheet Phil will be interested.

:lol: I assumed he was too old now to work - what's he do?

I assume Tim did something extremely bad for GM to resort to that kind of threat.

Pahahaha, awesome!!

Who's he threatened legal action against?

So, I think we'll see some interesting amendments now, including the revocation of article 50 IF May's deal doesn't get approved.

But if May's deal goes through, he will allow an extension, so not sure what your "Told you so" is about.

I know you do, was just making sure it was said explicitly.

But it's not, as Article 50 can be unilaterally revoked. However, CB Fry and his prediction is making the Brexiteers look a bit silly.

But no-one said it was binding, did they - and surely if it was misunderstood by that much of the population then the vote should be re-run with the correct understanding? If, as I think we can all see, the vote and process was that deeply flawed, then surely the most democratic thing to do is re-run with the correct information in people's minds.

So if his words have no value, and it is not legally binding, then the referendum is ******** anyway and we can walk away from it. I'm struggling to understand what point you are making here. Either it is legally binding, or it isn't.

Also, "...do my best..." is a best endeavors statement, not one of certainty. I don't know why you keep on going back 3 years on this - the point is the facts have materially changed the vote, hence a new vote is the most democratic action to take.

The will of the UK public is being respected - in fact it is a more up-to-date will of the people, with the people now being more educated on the result. The will of the UK public was not to facilitate a return to sectarian violence and terrorism in the UK, and this was not known before the referendum.

I don't think it's a myth, considering Juncker has said that it is on the table, and there i no doubt it will have been discussed with both Merkel and Macron. If Macron decides to veto, then that's up to him, but we'll know more by the end of today.

They probably were misled by him, but there is no doubt - it is not legally-binding. Either way, "...do my best..." is a best endeavors statement, not one of certainty.

Which makes perfect sense.

But they may allow a much longer one...

The point is that someone comes into power straight away in a GE - we don't wait 3 years and then find out that the person you voted for has changed, and they've changed all their policies. This isn't an election - there is a maximum of 5 years that can pass without another vote coming. Would you support a new Brexit vote in 2021 then?

But surely now we know more information, that vote should be re-run? The vote should have been handled completely different, with the initial vote in 2016 as an advisory vote (as it was) to look into what was possible, and then a further vote once the issues were outlined so the public could decide what they wanted. Just because it was setup badly, does not mean that we should not look to change the process to one that makes sense. The vote, how it has been put together, and implemented, has been fraught with issues because it is a deeply flawed process.

Doesn't take into account further Government cuts though, does it? Just the Status Quo at the time of prediction. Wasn't it pretty much 3 years ago as well?

You don't do this kind of thing through petitions - I'm not sure what they expect, the number will still be miniscule compared to the leave vote so it's a bit odd. I don't support it. I do support a series of votes to ascertain the ACTUAL will of the nation though. Vote 1: Leave or Remain (Remain need 55% majority to overturn) If leave Vote 2: Mays Deal, No Deal, New Negotiation