Unbelievable Jeff

Sounds about right. I believe Adebowale has a mental illness so the same sentence can't really be applied.

And this is the problem, you sir are a juxtaposition. You say you don't want toblive around crack addicts, and neither should those on the minimum wage. So who do you want to live there? Can't be other crack addicts, cos then you are segregating society...which isn't a good thing.

I suggested they move out, but to commutable distances. And the people you mention aren't likely on minimum wage, so won't need to move so far out.

And I agree, I wouldn't want my daughter to see that either. We are both cut from the same cloth, we both want the best for our families, but I accept I do it through the capitalist state, yet you hold yourself as some sort of martyr/moral superior because you haven't bought a second house (yet).

I'll lie in mine, and you can lie in yours, safe in the knowledge that you don't have to live with the people that you defend, yet seem to despise. You use a capitalist society to work your way out of the places that you say you wouldn't want to live again, yet complain when it doesn't follow the misguided rules that you mistakenly believe you live by.

The point is though Pap, it doesn't lead there for normal members of society. I will guarantee that quite a few of these people using foodbanks also smoke, drink, have Sky etc, and they are not people who are living to their means. I dorect you to the program Skint, where they used food banks, yet still managed to find money to smoke etc. We have already discussed, and I have shown examples (can show examples) of places that: - 1 person earning minimum wage can live (house share in London (and I wasn't even using the minimum wage for London which we all know is higher)), house in Liverpool, and you know it can be shown elsewhere). - 2 person family where both parties earn the minimum wage. (I agree for 1 parent families/those with disabilities it is not possible, and this is where benefits come into play to help those.) Agreed, it may not be where people want to live, but the freedom of choice comes with earning a higher wage. That's the way the world works, and is the main driver of capitalist states. However, when you live by the rules, do not make excessive amounts of money out of people on benefits I find it frustrating to be likened to the worst of society, as if I am morally corrupt.

Here you go...

Nope. I made the big eyed children move, to a place they could afford, using the minimum wage.

Go on, show me where I have even got close to this hyperbole? All I am saying is that if you can't afford to live somewhere when you earn the minimum wage, you shouldn't live there. You're the one that crusades for the common man, whist admitting you'd never want to live around them...you sound like a Labour MP.

You're saying that people shouldn't make a profit on property...unless it's you.

Hahaha, brilliant. ****ing NIMBY.

Baz is really struggling here, starting to feel a bit sorry for him as Pap has left the argument so he has no-one to copy, and he's confusing himself.

No I'm not, I'm suggesting those that can't afford it move to the poorer areas or out of London full stop.

And there is a limit, I will pay capital gains on it when sold.

I did write it. If you look at the ad, Internet is included. Bills does not include food, you classed it seperately so I did. Phone can be what, tenner a month?

So what are you saying? What is your point?

My manager grew up in a council house in Chelsea. Doesn't live there anymore mind, too expensive.

Learn to read. £500 rent and bills.

So, to summarise. Baz and Pap believe that everyone should be able to own a house as long as they are working, in any area of the country that they wish. So someone on the minimum wage with a child should have access to a 2/3 bed property in Chelsea.

Have you read my earlier posts? I said I was excluding single parent families as I believe they would need help.

I did say a house/flat share, but yeah that's affordable. Example below: http://www.spareroom.co.uk/flatshare/flatshare_detail.pl?flatshare_id=2630620&search_id=&search_results=%2Fflatshare%2Flondon%2Fleytonstone%3F%26aff%3D677%26KW%3Drooms%2Bto%2Brent%2BleytonstoneMBM%26gclid%3DCJ3CwIXa6bwCFSgGwwodJ2wAqg&featured=1 £500 rent & bills £120 travel Leaves £380 for food and disposable income. Definitely doable.

I bought and renovated all my properties, should I be allowed to make a profit/rent them out?

Yep, neither should food. Food should be given out by the Government, with everyone getting the same food, just multiplied for family members.

I thought we were talking about families? If not a house share is sufficent.

Using the tube? £3.20 each way I think, so £120 a month or so.