Sergei Gotsmanov

I never abuse people who have a differing opinion; this is how you debate. You seem blind to the fact that by banning people and political groups you play a very dangerous game and are advocating exactly the same policy of Dictatorships. Everybody should have the right to an opinion, even those idiots at the cenotauph on remembrance day. Only when arguments are in the open can you succesfully counter them. It is called a free society.

Do you not think that Saints Fans can make up their own minds on these dickheads. Censorship is for fascists. Your attitude is far more dangerous; why do you not debate?

I would remind you that this is an internet forum for debate so please do not bully or intimidate other posters who happen to have a different take on a story.

What Sergei does not like is the way that they were set up and the following trial be media.

Verbal and Pedg you must live in the most sanitised society. Ironically you display no respect for the judicial process in a way that betrays an outrageous intolerance and reminds me of the witchhunts of the Trueman days. Trial by media with an increasing hysteria picking up bits of hear say and hurling them about as evidence. Handing out insults to any that dare suggest that you may be going over the top and just maybe there may be moe to the story and that is why it has been presented to the media. You sniff out sexism in the workplace like some Nazi party official looking to report somebody who has not towed the party line. Shall we ban banter? I will tell a sexist joke just like all those that sang 'you should be washing up' to Wendy Toms; it was just a joke guys and when I go home in the evening its my wife that wears the trousers just like hundreds of other blokes all round the country. I hate nobody, but you guys seem to be eaten up with hatred and obsessed.

You are right they must have left out the really bad bits to make a better story.

Annoymous testaments. Kangaroo court, trial by media. Is that how it should be?

So the cameras were not hidden but does that make it right that tapes were edited to expose the worst of what was said and then fed to the media to generate a media storm. Do you not think that if the culture was that bad over a twenty year period there would not have been a court case of some sort?

I have no idea what Gray's relationship with his female colleague is like; in some offices banter is exchanged; I am not going to jump to conclusions based on a short clip on You Tube - that would be stupid wouldn't it. I am sure if this went on to an unacceptable level there would have been a court case. The law is in place you know. I highly reccomend that you read Big Brother Pedg; it may open your eyes and you may be appreciative of what a free society is.

Why can this not be debated then Verbal? So you agree with female linesman, what about referees? Do you believe that a female linesman should have been fast tracked into the job to increase female representation? Is it right to have female linesmans in such a male environment? There is plenty to discuss Verbal; you clearly do not believe in right to discuss anything that may fall into the sacred areas of political correctness. As it happens I think that if they can prove themselves then that is fine but that my experience suggested that fast tracking was not the right way to go about it. What I find creepy is the idea of hidden cameras gathering evidence to be used at a later time. You clearly believe that it is acceptable, I do not and that we should be concentrating on the outrageous medieval witch hunt that has ensued. I am sorry but I do not know what misogynistic.

Absolutely absurd; maybe in communist China you would be recorded and then punished in some Kanagraoo court but this is supposed to be Britain. It was clearly a private chat that has been put together to incriminate make them look as bad as possible. Andy Gray in particular is not my cup of tea but he has been villified to such an extent that it looks pretty organised and very sinister. Racist comments are a red herring; they were expressing views on woman lino's in what should be a legitamate debate as to whether they can do as good a job as their male counterparts. It is early days and inevitably people will talk about the issue and in an all male context it will probably be come in a banter like form. Do you think Pedg we should be allowed to discuss whether women linos is a good thing?

He is spot on. Luckily it came from a Guardian journalist or those of us on the right would have been chastised. This was a cynical smear campaign and a lot of people acted as they were supposed to. Some of the comments written about these guys was absolutely over the top. You may not have agreed with what they said but there were people all round the country expressing the same thing about female lino's.

Yes Verbal that probably was not worded very well. I was referring to Wendy Toms partner. You still have not answered the question I put to you.

It was a question Verbal. My wife laughed when I told he (admittedly she was at home looking after the children and preparing my supper). I expect her other half did as well.

Verbal do you think that as a club we should have been fined when our supporters sang 'you should be washing up' at Wendy Toms?

Your sarcasm continues to be hysterical. Lucky I do not take offence and speak to your bosses and get you sacked.

Lads banter. I expect pubs across Wolverhampton were full people having the same discussion about whether there should be a female linesman that night. Stop getting so hysterical about it. It looks like they lost their jobs because it suited Sky.

No its generally how fascists and communists enforce their ideologies. Undercover filming and then a show trial.

Well actually Deppo he is quiote right. Maybe one day something will be used in evidence against you.

This was banter, and if somebody did not like it they should have told him so not report him.

He did not know that this was going to be collated to be used against him. Do you really want to be judged on conversations that you have off the record (and it was). In my experience if I talk like an idiot I soon know about it because everyone thinks I am an arse.

I am saying that if you say something stupid then it should be addressed there and then not by secret recordings. I do agree with Saint Bert though AG was pretty dreadful to the Sky presenter.

If you got a smack everybody would cheer - and it would not just be him that smacked you. Why run to matron?

I would think Delldays that on your submarines people express differing opinions - do you report the ones that you disapprove of; or do you tell the person that expressed them they are an arse?