Wes Tender

No, me neither. Bring it on. The EU is petrified that once we are free of their shackles that we will thrive, so cheer up, Soggy.

No, you're not. You aren't right about us going the Norway route either. You're not very good at this prediction thing, are you?

I could admit that you're right. But then we'd both be wrong. I'm perfectly calm. It seems to me that it's you who has your knickers in a twist, sonny. You're just niggled because you look stupid supporting the example of a long dead politician from a different era swapping parties, when several of your remoaner lot have changed parties, sometimes more than once, in the past few months and not had the common decency to put themselves up for re-election in a bye election. Thankfully most of them, if not all of them, will soon all be in the dole queue come Friday 13th December. They won't be missed, as they were mostly lightweight chancers.

Are you Badger's poodle? I answer him and get some smart Alec response from you. Churchill left the Conservatives in 1904 and the Labour Party was founded in 1900. Was Labour worth mentioning in connection with Churchill?. Considering his aristocratic and privileged background he was hardly likely to join them, was he? Did Churchill rejoice the Conservatives? Nothing wrong with my private boarding school education, so don't come the puerile "my cock is bigger than yours" attitude with me, sonny.

You're going back rather a long time to the turn of the last century, when there were just the Liberals and Tories. I was thinking about the confused ones during the past few months, some of whom have been in three parties, without it ever occurring to them to stand in a bye-election to see whether their electorates still wished to be represented by them.

He seems a bit confused. Conservative, Lib Dumbs, now Labour. A bit like some other confused ex-Conservatives and Labour MPs who have switched parties a couple of times.

Well, as I say, it could be that his children are mini-Marxists. It could be something similar to the "******** to Brexit" sticker on Bercow's car that turned out to be his wife's. Or perhaps it was put there by some leftie pranksters. I'll await any more credible evidence that he has switched parties.

I've taken your advice and now believe all I read in the Mail. When you said that the country is probably ready for a bit of radical socialism, were you thinking of what McDonnell could do in that direction? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7590207/John-McDonnell-misled-public-finances-Britains-biggest-council.html

Of course, he didn't say that, did he? If you had any intelligence, you will realise that it is possible for staff in an organisation to work a four day week and for that organisation to operate every day of the week. Want to hazard a guess as to how that can be so? I'll wait for the clang when the penny drops. Of course, this will require more staff in order to operate at the same level of service, or a mix of more staff and some staff working longer hours than the four days at overtime rates. Either way, it will cost the NHS more than it does at the moment. Never fear though; Corbyn will simply shake the magic money tree, the infinite source of wealth that is the super rich billionaires and multi national corporations. Those who will either take themselves and their wealth elsewhere, or find ways to avoid paying. As usual under Labour, they are experts at spending other people's (our) money and then saying that the NHS is free, when all of us pay for it out of taxation. Increased NHS running costs = higher taxation.

The 9 years of austerity were brought about by Labour's profligacy. Do you remember the Labour governments of Wilson and Callaghan? The Winter of Discontent? Want it even worse with a more extreme Marxist PM? And thanks for the recommendation that I should believe all I read in those publications. I take much of it with a pinch of salt, but you've persuaded me that I should believe it all.

Maybe he had moved. Perhaps it was his former house. Maybe he was away and his idiot kids are Momentum supporters.

Have you been smoking the whacky baccy? I'm seriously worried about your sanity if you are unable to differentiate between the effects of a Prime Minister on the country both politically and morally and to place them on the same level of parity. We have had adulterers as Prime minister before and I would suggest to you that their private behaviour didn't have any effect on their political stance. Personally, I'd prefer the adulterer to the Marxist as PM if that was the choice you think there is. The trouble with Labour's aspirational policies, is that they portray them as fact, as in "we will seek to abolish student university charges", and the gullible are taken in by them. You're extremely naive if you don't know what an extreme left wing government would do to the economy. Corbyn and McDonnell are far further to the left than the Labour lot who ruined the economy under Wilson, Healey and Callaghan, nationalising everything, raising taxes to pay for it, high inflation, going cap in hand to the IMF to borrow to pay for it, allowing the unions to run the country. Your moniker suggests that you might be old enough to remember those times, as I do. Perhaps you are old enough, but getting forgetful in your old age, or maybe you loved that red in tooth and claw socialism then, and want something even more extreme now; who knows what goes on in your mind?

The girl Swinson is the gift that keeps on giving. Her latest ruse following on from the Lib Dumbs policy of ignoring the referendum vote, is to reinforce the message that they aren't democrats by amending their title on the ballot paper. They have permission from the Electoral Commission for it to state "Liberal Democrats - to stop Brexit". I think that the precedent having been set, the Tories should follow suit and have "Conservative Party - get Brexit done." Labour can have "Labour Party - for Leave in the north, Remain in the south". Actually, it's a bad idea to believe that the electorate don't realise what your party's policy on Brexit is and that they need to be told. It's patronising, something that they are very good at.

Increased staff numbers will be countered by shorter working hours, so we would be no further forward under Labour. Isn't Corbyn a Marxist? I thought that I had read somewhere that he himself admitted it. What description do you think fits him best politically? Is it petty name calling? Marxist is a label describing an affiliation to a political stance, much as one nation Tory, Brexiteer and Remoaner are. So I'll go on calling a spade a spade, regardless of whether it annoys you; or even because it does.

For any number of reasons. But a simple question for you; will the waiting times increase or decrease if NHS working hours were cut by the Marxist?

Rupert Lowe stands down as Brexit Party candidate in Dudley North, in order not to split the Tory vote and allow the Marxist to become PM.

And the middle class support for Labour is largely derived from metropolitan champagne socialists I suspect, mostly remoaners.

https://order-order.com/2019/11/14/tories-take-20-point-lead-working-class-voters/ Very interesting indeed.

Superior to King Edwards? Do tell, so that we can form our own judgement. I'm surprised that you didn't place the inverted commas on the quoted word then. But I'm being petty, as you were, criticising grammar on a football forum.

Inverted commas on "but". I'll accept it if your school was inferior..

He suggests that they vote Lib Dumb. The Marxist Corbyn might benefit if Tory remoaners followed his advice, but he doesn't recommend that they vote for him. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/13/vote-lib-dem-urges-former-conservative-minister-david-gauke The Conservative Party is well rid of idiots like him. The fool thinks that the Lib Dumbs are the centre ground of politics and that traditional Conservative voters "like him" should vote for them. He is deluded. It will be interesting in his seat where he will face a real Conservative candidate, Labour in second place and the Lib Dumbs trailing in third some distance behind. Many remoaners can vote Lib Dumb, unsure what Labour's position on Brexit is. Brexit will split the vote in all directions, but I doubt whether Gauke will be elected again.

Brexit has thrown up some strange bedfellows, Gavin. Some months ago I believe I posted that I read an article that I had almost completely agreed with about Brexit, only to find out that it was written by the Communist Party of GB. Throw in George Galloway and Corbyn into the eurosceptic mix and it is hard not to laugh at Soggy and his ridiculous accusations that it is only the far right that wants Brexit. It is right across party lines, left and right. And if we agree with the Communist Party over Brexit, does that make us commies, or them tories? But then again, in the same vein, I laugh at your opinion that anybody who wants a clean break WTO Brexit is an extremist. The real extremists are some of your lot, who would totally ignore the referendum vote and revoke Article 50 and destroy democratic trust in this country.

Don't be ridiculous, Gavin. It's nothing of the sort. Best of three? Five?

*yawn*. Not that hoary old chestnut again, Gavin. Surely you're bright enough to recognise that plotting to hold another referendum on the EU before implementing the result of the previous one would destroy people's faith in the democratic process for good.

The referendum was completely unavoidable. Cameron was forced to call it following UKIP's devastating vote in the EU elections. Had he not done so, it was a strong probability that he would not have achieved a majority in the election, as UKIP would have split the vote in much the same way that The Brexit Party would have in this election. Cameron was thus forced to promise the referendum. Had he not done so, then it is arguable that whatever situation Cameron's election produced would have resulted in a subsequent election where the imperative for a referendum grew to a fever pitch. Regardless of all the worst efforts of the Remoaner establishment to thwart Brexit, it is clear that it was going to happen anyway at some stage. Despite throwing everything at it via project fear, the desire amongst the electorate had grown too strong and is now unstoppable. The genie is out of the bottle and cannot be put back.