Wes Tender

Where are Abbott, Thornberry, Butler, and the other Labour car crash interviewees?

And let's have her as Chancellor of the Exchequer. Her grasp of economics and unfailing recall of her brief requires it to be implemented. Also McDonnell is in the wrong post. He should clearly be Foreign Secretary, as his empathy towards those regimes most likely to cause WW3 is a valuable asset to our diplomatic prowess.

OK, so everybody is p*ssed off at them equalising so late in the match, but the fact is that we were the better team against Arsenal at home and with better finishing we could have had three or four additional goals. In terms of the play, we did well, closing them down, generally wanting it more, getting in their faces. There was much to be encouraged by. Their fans will be plenty disgusted at their performance and their forum will be saying that they didn't deserve to get anything from that match.

The half is pretty even with us shading it. We are closing them down well with some good movement. There is no reason that we can't win this.

It's because of the insults from insufferable narcissists like you. Seek help.

A second (third) referendum would only be democratic if a remain option was not included, that decision having already been decided by the electorate. The shambles only came about where there was a two thirds majority of constituencies that voted leave, returning a two thirds majority of remoaner MPs, they having mostly voted through Article 50 by a large majority, and stood on manifestos pledging to honour the referendum result. Their betrayal of their electorates is the reason that they should face them in a General Election, rather than having another rigged referendum where regardless of the result they would continue to try and thwart it, just like the girl Swinson says she would.

Suck it up, undemocratic, remoaner loser. Your arguments on democracy are risible. The Scots had their very own referendum on independence and like you, the SNP started bleating about having another five minutes after they lost it. The Scots, Welsh and the Northern Irish (although not currently) have their own Parliaments/Assemblies, and additionally are allowed to have MPs in the UK Parliament. We English do not have our own exclusive Parliament. Do you think that situation is democratic? Don't try and pretend that you are a democrat when you can't even accept the decision of a referendum vote;

You only have to refer to the poll on the Brexit thread to see that this forum is stuffed full of remoaners, so no surprise that the opinions on here reflect that. Additionally, the remoaners here are an arrogant anti-democratic lot who love insulting anybody who voted to leave, with the usual claptrap that they must be thick not to wish to remain in the failing, increasingly imperialistic, bureaucratic protectionist cartel that is the EU. Rather than face childish insults, many have deserted the thread, so naturally the remoaner voice gets stronger by default. Anyway, as a football forum, there wouldn't be many Tory voters here in any event, but at least we are in the midst of a majority leave voting South of England, so they are out of step there at least.

Of course the audience was stilted towards remain/Labour. This was a BBC Question Time format, so what else would you expect? Haven't seen you in a while, Lib Dem Andy. Swinson didn't do well at all, because any democrats in the audience were naturally scathing that a party with "Democrats" in its name would promise to overturn a referendum decision without it even having been implemented. I don't know in which constituency you live, but the Lib Dumbs here in Eastleigh are bombarding the residents with pamphlets produced locally and nationally by their propaganda merchants. So far in all of their output, I count the word "Brexit" being featured only two or three times, and not at all in the latest one, which featured one of their famous misleading bar charts showing them as first, conservative second. The small print explained that this was based on local authority election results earlier this year; you know, the one where about 65% of the electorate couldn't be bothered to cast a vote. Any guesses on when they will actually bother to state their position on wanting to revoke Article 50, or would that lose them any chance of being elected in a leave voting constituency? According to them, this is a choice between "A London Conservative already rejected by voters" and "A brighter future with Linda Murphy's Lib Dems". Swinson was twice rejected by voters before she was elected, both times in constituencies where she didn't live, one not even in Scotland, her country of birth. Murphy hasn't previously been rejected by voters in a GE because she hasn't previously stood. But no doubt if she is defeated this time and stands again, there will be no mention from them that she has already been rejected by voters.

Thanks, Gavin.

https://www.conservativehome.com/lef****ch/2019/11/six-of-the-best-burgonisms.html What an asset Richard Burgon is to the Labour Party and to the TV media's comedy sector. There's enough material for a "Carry on Voting" film, starring the likes of him, Diane Abbott, Emily Thornberry, Dawn Butler and the Marx brothers, Corbyn and McDonnell, among other incompetent clowns.

IFS Director - Labours' proposals are "misleading." No surprise there then.

Yet more childish name-calling from Gavin, who just can't help himself. Seek professional help.

https://www.validateuk.co.uk/about There we are; these people can produce a photo ID card for £15.

The £34 for the photo driving licence is a cost to the consumer, the person who buys it, and is probably vastly inflated as a revenue earner. I very much doubt that the cost of producing it would be anywhere close to that if they were produced free by the Government. But even if the cost was half of that, it would be worth every penny to help stamp out electoral fraud. If as you claim, there is no need for any form of identification required to prevent electoral fraud, why then would the Electoral Commission feel the need to recommend it 5 years ago? Do you think that electoral fraud has increased or decreased since then?

Nothing to fret about; Dianne Abbott has mapped out the route. What could possibly go wrong? To pass the time, they are playing a game invented by Emily Thornberry; spot the white van man. When they get to the leave voting Labour industrial heartlands, Dawn Butler will have to be restrained from yelling "thickos" at anybody who voted to leave the EU.

Why don't you address LD's points, instead of giving your narcissism an outing once again? Where do you set the cost limits for ensuring that our democracy is protected from fraud, Gavin?

No he isn't at all, Gavin. Just because you say that he is, doesn't make it so. He has made some really valid arguments, but of course it is your usual MO to prefer insulting somebody rather than to act like a grown up and debate them sensibly.

It isn't about the leaders, it is about the policies and the historic faith that the electorate have in each party. At the moment, Brexit is one of the main policy concerns and that is where the girl Swinson and her party fall down. It is one thing to claim that the Brexit decision needs to be reaffirmed, but quite another to seek to overturn the democratic referendum decision before it has even been enacted. Their policy has justifiably led to people questioning their right to have the word "Democrats" in their party name. If my experience as a voter in Eastleigh is typical, then it is easy to see their problem. In the several leaflets already dropped onto my doormat from them in the past week or so, the word "Brexit" has only appeared twice. There has been not a single mention of their policy to overturn the referendum decision the day after the girl Swinson is elected PM. They are obviously sh*t scared of mentioning it in leave voting constituencies and are probably trumpeting it loud and clear in remain constituencies. As for their fabricated polls deliberately attempting to mislead the gullible, there is no moral high ground for them when they criticise the other parties. Swinson laughably claims that she will be the next PM, but that is ludicrous and her best bet is to be the junior partner in some anti-Brexit alliance in conjunction with Labour and the SNP. Oh, and she should stop wearing that awful yellow outfit. It doesn't suit her, and people are beginning to think that she doesn't have anything else to wear.

I'm not embarrassed at all at your pathetic dissembling, Gavin, or the attempts of your cohort remoaners to try and put words into my mouth. I find it all very amusing sometimes and boring on other occasions. This is one of those boring occasions. You really do need to raise your game, Gavin. I'm quite happy to count down the days until the 12th December. Where Musk builds his factory isn't going to influence the vote on the day, so stop p*ssing in the wind.

No, it wasn't worth responding to. Simple as that, Gavin.

*Yawn* Your usual condescending, patronising, arrogant rubbish, Gavin. Only you could be capable of responding to a simple one line opinion that your reference to Musk was a rather pathetic response to my assertion that the EU is sh*t-scared of us thriving outside of the EU and write a tirade of abusive, tangential whataboutery. I think that you are suffering from a bad bout of verbal Diarrhea, Gavin. Time to take a honest self-critical look at yourself in the mirror, mate, and try to be a bit less obnoxious as an individual. I think that you have some serious personality defect issues and should get them seen to. This Brexit thing is obviously affecting your sanity.

Musk is a South African/Yank/Canadian, Gavin. So you're going to cite a single non-European individual as evidence that the EU aren't sh*t-scared of the UK becoming like Singapore-on Thames?