Wes Tender

It was Weston who asked you to post any insults that he had aimed at you, not me. You don't appear to have found any yet, do you? You really are all over the place. Of course having a pop at party leaders is different to having a go at posters on here. They're out there and we're on here. They're identifiable, we're anonymous. They're politicians, I doubt if any of us are.

He hasn't been able to post one single insult from you, nor to explain why this thread out of all of them on the board, is exclusive to Labour posters.

Good one

Of the choices available to the electorate, which of the alternatives was the most moderate in your opinion?

Come on, tell me which part of the post is irrational in your eyes? The first couple of sentences are a statement of fact. The second couple of sentences are a stated opinion by this group of MPs. They claim that they represent significant opposition to Boris' refusal to consider an extension. But as the Conservatives have a substantial majority of 80 in the House, then their group can reasonably only be described as nothing more than a significant minority, largely as it comprises the devolved governments. So presumably your comments are directed at the third and fourth parts. Do let me know your thoughts on what the point of this little exercise is? Do you think that Barnier will dismiss this group as an irrelevance, or do you think that he will believe that they are part of a groundswell of support for an extension, causing him to delay any decisions on a trade deal? You must recognise that if he takes the sensible first view of them, then what exactly was the point of the exercise? If he takes the second view, then this group's letter will have been a hindrance to getting a deal. Or is it that you're just another of this bunch of the most ardent remoaners who think that because of the Chinese virus, we would be barking mad not to apply for an extension? There have been many articles written recently laying out a very solid case for not applying for an extension at the moment because of the virus. I realise that you will believe that all of the authors of those pieces must be thick idiots, but instead of hurling insults, why not put forward a cogent counter argument? Otherwise, I will just conclude that your reply was curt and insulting because you were stung by my reminding you in the previous post of your fallibility when it comes to predicting Brexit outcomes.

Whilst your playing guess the percentages, what percentage would have accepted the Norway option?

I hear that the SNP leader at Westminster, Ian Blackford, together with the acting Liberal Democrat leader Sir Ed Davey have sent a letter to the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator, Michel Barnier, supporting a two year TP extension. The letter to Michel Barnier has also been signed by Liz Savile Roberts of Plaid, the Green MP Caroline Lucas, Stephen Farry of the Alliance Party and Colum Eastwood of the Social Democratic and Labour Party. In the letter the MPs say that there is a significant opposition to Boris Johnson's refusal to consider extending the Brexit implementation period. They also said that both the Welsh and Scottish Administration is backing an extension to the negotiations together with "the majority of political parties in the Northern Ireland executive". I would imagine that Barnier has enough sense to recognise that this pathetic little group don't hold much sway in the current scheme of things. Things have changed in the House since May's gutless minority Government couldn't prevent its business being run by remoaner backbenchers, those who formed themselves into self-appointed delegations prepared to go to Brussels begging them to screw us over, or to pass legislation like the Benn Surrender Act aimed at achieving the same result. If Barnier naively believes that there is a chance that this band of losers could seriously change the government's decision not to extend beyond 31st December, and accordingly Barnier doesn't change his stance in the negotiations by compromising the EU position, then the idiots who wrote this letter will have ensured that we leave with no deal on WTO terms. Talk about shooting themselves in the foot.

You haven't clarified whether you believe that this thread is exclusively for Labour supporters only, and whether by extension, the Donald Trump thread is exclusively for those who support him, or whether both threads are open to anybody to express opinions. I look forward to your answer. And that's some computer you have there, which apparently can detect whether I'm crying or not. Tell me, does it contain Huawei 5th generation spy technology? I'm really worried now.

Ah, that's us put firmly in our place. Here we are on an "all things Labour Party" thread (formally known as the Death of the Labour Party), daring to post opinions on the Labour Party. I never realised that the thread was exclusively for Labour supporters/voters. Could you please clarify something for me? Is the thread on Donald Trump only for his supporters too? Clearly we Conservative or Lib Dumb voters/supporters will have to put up threads exclusively for the parties we support to keep it clean of Labour voters/supporters. As an aside, what is the answer to your question?

I'm not on tw*tter. Sorry, do try harder. Am I bothered by anything you say? No, not at all.

Sometimes the crassness of the question doesn't warrant an answer.

You like to dish it out, but can't take it back in return. Diddums. What's Weston got to do with it? He's an entirely separate poster.

Do please read what I said again, and allow it to penetrate. I'm sure that you'll get there eventually, once you take my response at face value without trying to twist it and invent sources for it as per your usual MO.

That's funny because I was under the impression that the previous editor was the ardent Brexiteer, and that he was replaced with somebody who was more of a remoaner. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/jun/07/new-daily-mail-editor-to-be-geordie-greig Or maybe the Guardian (and Lord Duckhunter) has got it wrong.

You're like a stuck record, Gavyn. I told you, there are plenty of posters on here who have accused Brexiteers of being far right racists, so stop being so petty with these false claims of yours. You're really a stultifying bore.

I don't need to; it's a common enough view expressed by many of the leftie remoaners on here.

Yes, he is. But naturally because he got Brexit done, he is Far Right and a racist, as are all Brexiteers.

Do tell us about your idiotic siblings. I'm pretty sure that they would say that you were the one in your family.

Read the sentence of mine that you highlighted again.

It seems quite simple. When the fish are in our territorial waters, then they are our commodity, when they are in another country's territorial waters, then they belong to that country. As Badger pointed out, at the moment we import 70% of our fish because the species we like to eat are not in our waters, but patently the neighbouring EU countries are very happy to have had access to plundering our resources from the imbalanced proportionate allocations they had via the CFP. As we will have control over our fishery resources, it will be up to us how we manage those resources, not the EU. Although naturally as a remoaner you would love to call that fisheries resource management a Common Fisheries Policy, I can't somehow see that happening. If we do have a mutual fisheries stock management policy of our resources, it will be on our terms, not theirs.

Wow, there is inconsistency in government periodically, dependent on the make-up of the ruling party, the leadership or the size of majority. Who would have thought it? And Frost has set out the plan in writing, and sent it to Barnier and the heads of the 27 member states governments. The legal texts covered a “suite” of separate deals covering fisheries, aviation, energy, immigration, nuclear issues, asylum, and security. Do keep up.

Well, we'll soon find out in the event of no deal.

We will soon find out whether or not we have the EU over a barrel, rather than the other way around under the grossly incompetent vicars' daughter and Robbins. But apart from the settlement payment, what other legal obligations within the Withdrawal Agreement passed in January 2020 did you have in mind that we ought to be concerned about?

Patently the whole scenario has changed dramatically since May was ousted from the Tory Party leadership and replaced by Boris with a stonking majority to get Brexit done. May might well have been persuaded that fisheries should be a part of a negotiating hand on trade, but that is not the current position, where Frost had made it clear that any agreement on fisheries will be on an annual basis, and not long term as the EU wants. Why on earth would we retain current rules which might allow foreign owners to buy quotas on the open market? It is pointless indulging in whataboutery based on previous precedent. We appear to be standing firm in the negotiations so far that we will regain control of our coastal waters, that we will be setting the quotas ourselves and determining who can fish those waters. We'll just have to wait and see how it all pans out, won't we?

As expected, the talks between Frost and Barnier this past week made hardly any progress at all, with Barnier completely unable to recognise that we wish to negotiate a trade deal based on us being an independent sovereign state and not a vassal colony of the EU. We are not asking for anything that hasn't already been granted by the EU in their trade deals with Canada, Japan and S. Korea. We have made our red lines completely transparent, that we will not accept their level playing field rules, the primacy of the ECJ and the continuance of the CFP. Barnier bemoans the fact that we have been intractable over these issues and insists that we will have to compromise if trade talks are to continue. Equally of course, the trade talks cannot continue if the EU refuses to compromise. The time has now arrived to stop pussyfooting about with this sham. Talks are due to resume their final episode at the beginning of June and before they do, we should give the ultimatum to Barnier and copy in all the 27 member states governments, that unless the EU drops their demands on these three issues, there is no point at all in continuing the talks.