Wes Tender

A report nearly two years old, that talks specifically about small businesses that export goods to the the EU Customs Union. So, as I said, some businesses exporting to the EU will face increased red tape costs, whilst those who do not, will have reduced red tape costs. Interestingly, virtually 90% of smaller firms say that they will continue exporting to the EU regardless. I see that you've studiously ignored my request to cough up on the £50 bet, or to say why you won't honour it.

I agree that debate about red tape subsequent to our having left the EU is a relevant current topic. However, Ecuk highjacked that topic by mentioning discussions about the single market pre-referendum, inviting the ensuing several posts. That was the tedious raking over of old coals I referred to. Regarding the red tape issue, I take the view that once totally free of the single market and customs union it will increase for some businesses. However, it is also the case that many other businesses who do not export to the EU will see a considerable decrease in red tape. The FT, like the CBI, which has always been big on economic project fear stories is talking on behalf of big multi-nationals, rather than the SMEs IMO

Armstrong has many attributes that make him a valuable member of the team. He is intelligent, industrious, steady has a good attitude and likeable. MLG strikes a chord, comparing him to Steve Davis, who had many similar attributes.

I'm pleased that you agree that the constant raking over of old coals is tedious

Dear me. Remoaners on here continue to drone on and on ad infinitum about the events of over four years ago. I suspect that it is much the same throughout the country; bad losers everywhere. When are you going to honour the £50 bet that we wouldn't sign up to a Norway style trade deal, Timmy? Either do the decent thing, or give us a good reason why you don't think that you should settle it now.

You're obviously easily confused

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You took your time getting there, didn't you? Yes, I've known that since I began using them for my personal email provider. But as you probably know, the news items that feature on their UK site are there for the interest of the UK market. Or did you think that the news items for here are the same as they are for the USA?

I agree with all of this, so this a simple way to rebut your assertion that most leavers don't know the benefits of leaving. Undoubtedly many had their own specific reasons and it is incredibly arrogant to assert people didn't know why they wanted to leave.

What a whiny little tosser Neville is, droning on and on about how bad Romeu's tackle was and how lucky he was still to be on the pitch. The ref should have gone to the pitch-side monitor , then he would have changed his mind, then United would have gone on a thrashed us, blah,blah, blah. But then again, this is Sky, who make their money out of millions of United plastics around the country and the World paying subscriptions to watch their favourite glory team, so it is understandable that they would employ an ex-United player as a commentator, one who can be relied upon to churn out the sort of partisan rubbish that the plastics want to hear.

Yes, you're right. Here we are out of the EU and into the negotiations about a trade deal period and some are still bitching on about how unfair it all was over four years ago. Timmy, bet a £50 donation to charity that we would leave with a Norway style deal, but he still can't bring himself to accept that it will not ever happen and be honourable enough to cough up. Others remind me of Corporal Fraser, availing themselves of every opportunity to tell us that the UK is doomed. In the same way that most of the project fear prophecies that would follow a vote to leave didn't materialise, I suggest that the sensible course to follow is one of wait and see.

Another superb team performance against a top team. I really have the feeling that we could give any team in the PL a real run for their money playing as well as this. For a short while under Pochettino and Koeman, I had this feeling that we ought not to be frightened to play against any other team, and that feeling is beginning to return. Huge credit to Hasenhuttl for getting us to play the bold, entertaining football that we enjoyed playing under them. Last night the commentators said that we are the fittest team in the league, so credit there too. Now we still threaten to score right at the death, instead of conceding late goals as the norm. Last night was extra satisfying, scoring the equaliser deep into "Fergie time", depriving United of two points, and moving them back down the two places they would have attained from a win as a result. Armstrong my MOTM, but a couple of other contenders ran him close. It would be typical though for us to do so well against these top teams and then stumble against the lower down teams like our South coast rivals, Brighton and Bournemouth. We could be instrumental in sending Bournemouth down, but Brighton have surely done enough to survive, barring a major upset.

Well, as I just suggested a few seconds ago, why don't we just wait and see, eh?

It really can't be anything else but a xenophobic exercise, when we leave an arrangement allowing immigrants to come here from around Europe and replace it with allowing immigration from all around the world, can it? 🙄 As for your final sentence, of course you cannot know that. Let's wait and see, shall we.

So what we have here, is Gavyn furiously defending a small sample survey statistician on a subject over four years old, when the only poll that counts for anything serious was the one, on 23rd June 2016. Did his favourite survey team do a poll forecast of what the result would be before the event? What did it conclude? What does he hope to achieve by hammering on about how thick and racist the Brexit voters were/are, when there is nothing that he or any other remoaner can change? One must conclude that his only purpose is to demonstrate how super-intelligent he is, and how grateful we must be to have such a towering intellect here to educate the thick masses on this humble football forum. We know what he thinks of anybody who has an opposing view to his, because he is never slow to point out our deficiencies. We are thick, out of our depth, country bumpkins, unable to process data too complex for our feeble minds, etc. Classic narcissism. Carry droning on and on about long past events, Gavyn. As I said, it is just making you look pathetic.

You can indulge yourself fantasising about how extraordinarily clever you are with your statistics selectively proving what you want them to, if your ego needs to have its daily massage from besting we lesser mortals (to your mind). The fact remains, that regardless of what statistical analysis you remoaners provide to infer that the remoaner vote was comprised more of those with a younger demographic and with a higher level of modern educational qualifications, (but a lower level of life experience), all of this is irrelevant. It isn't going to change the result, nor is it going to change the fact that we have left the EU. Surely you must recognise that arguing about things that are now history that you cannot alter is a puerile exercise, and it makes you look a bit pathetic going on about it. I say again, move on.

You saved me the bother of raking over these old coals. When only 10% went to university, a degree meant something. Nowadays, it a vastly devalued commodity and it is arguable that somebody with good A levels will have a distinct advantage in their career prospects by taking a job then, and gaining valuable work experience during the three years that their mates will have spent in university, racking up massive debts for their useless degrees, the ones held by thousands of others looking for work. So who among the remoaners is going to be next whining about how unfair the referendum result was over four years ago, and how it was won by thick racists?

As I said to Hockey, it is over four years ago, you lot lost, we've left the EU, move on with your lives. Everybody knows that remoaners believe that anybody who voted to leave is either thick, a racist, or both, yet this is the majority of your fellow citizens who voted in the referendum. What a parlous situation, eh?

I think that you ought to accept that most people express opinions based on their prejudices, you included. I think that you ought to stop generalising about hypocrisy and those accusing others of it. You haven't justified your claim that those who level charges of hypocrisy on the internet are desperate.

I think that you're very selective about who you categorise as being "desperate" if they shout hypocrite towards any group or individual based on their own opinion. Why do you think that anybody accusing somebody else of hypocrisy has to be called desperate? Is this a new illiberal rule you've introduced to ensure that modern woke standards are observed?

So basically what you're saying is that whether people on the internet who scream hypocrisy are desperate, depends on whether they are on the left or the right of politics, is that correct? 🙄

What, like all of those who wanted politicians to resign because they were deemed to have broken government rules on isolation; those sorts of desperate people who screamed hypocrisy?

What exactly has "Re-examining and learning from history" got to do with the Brexit thread? Have the events of the past few weeks since the death of George Floyd, the toppling of statues, the BLM campaign being hijacked by marxists got anything remotely to do with Brexit? I suppose that very loosely under this thread we can examine history regarding the way that we were conned by the Heath government into believing that the whole European project we joined nearly 50 years ago was solely a trading relationship. Is that what you had in mind? Straying a bit from the current debate though, isn't it?😛

Rent offices across the road from the BBC. They've got £100 million of our money to spend on it.

Liberalism [ˈlɪb(ə)rəlɪz(ə)m] NOUN willingness to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; openness to new ideas. "one of the basic tenets of liberalism is tolerance" the holding of political views that are socially progressive and promote social welfare. "Brooklyn prides itself on being a great bastion of liberalism and diversity" a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise. "representative democracy operates under the principles of classical liberalism" the doctrine of a Liberal Party or (in the UK) the Liberal Democrats. "working-class support for Liberalism" It would be better to be proper liberals in accordance with the definitions above. I said "so-called" because it seems that politically there is now no tolerance of freedom of speech and opinion if it offends the new woke PC brigade.