Wes Tender

Well said Rupert

I'd be happy to lay down a £50 bet for charity that we don't end up with a Norway style deal, but I'm afraid that remoaner ultras don't honour their bets What different format could there be to an EFTA/Norway style deal anyway? It either is or it isnt one.

Hurrah! Well done Boris. Ball in the EU court, if they want a FTA, they need to get real on accepting our red lines. Our door is still open if they stop playing games and wasting time. Boris' body language was great. He clearly relished making that statement.

What you say about the size of the fisheries industry compared to the rest of the economy is true, but the policy decision on it is political rather than economic, just as it is in France of course. It is a matter of sovereignty, summed up by the referendum and election slogan to take back control of our money, our borders, our laws and our territorial waters. Renege on those pledges and face electoral annihilation losing coastal seats around the country and elsewhere Just for balance, do you believe the French electorate which is also largely employed in other sectors other than fishing should also pressure their government to safeguard their jobs and income rather than pander to their fishermen? Germany are prepared to look at the bigger picture of how a no deal Brexit will affect their economy and Merkel has pressured Macron to relent over the stupidity of the French position. I have always said that a deal is preferred to no deal, but my mood currently is that if we make concessions on the red lines of fisheries, level playing field rules and state subsidies, I would prefer WTO. Of course some of the remoaner mood still doesn't accept that we have left and are planning on some return to the EU in the distant future. On the leave side, whereas like me most would prefer a Canada style FTA to WTO, many are increasingly angry at the arrogance of the French fishermen and their threats of blocking their ports, dust-ups at sea and other belligerent threats.

No, they have catastrophically miscalculated the British mood, and risk bringing about no deal because of their stupidity. They don't seem that realise that they aren't dealing with May and Robbins any longer. The obvious way to bring them to their senses is to tell the EU that unless the French accept that they are not going to get the fishing access that they had under the CFP, we will walk away from the talks. Tell them that they have 48 hours to come back to us with that agreement and if we don't have it, then it is WTO.

There are few on here with more entrenched views than you when it comes to Brexit. You won't even accept that Norway is not a option.

Contract law can be changed by treaties. The situation is altered by our leaving the rules of the CFP and determined by our newly passed Fisheries Bill. As for fish migration, I reiterate that we will put in place policies to manage the stocks in our waters and what the EU do to manage stocks in their waters is up to them. We can agree internationally which species are endangered by over fishing, but ultimately it is still down to us to manage our waters, and what action we take. You almost sound as if you are arguing that just because the fish spawned in Dutch waters and had nursery grounds in France, that the Dutch and French have a right to fish in our waters when the fish are fully grown 😁 That's just how the cookie crumbles,the fish belong to the country in whose waters they are caught.

Your usual response; I neither read or understood it *yawn* Of course it calls for both parties to arrange a deal, but it came from the main trade bodies of the three main countries in the EU, so clearly the main thrust of it was aimed at the EU. After all your bluster about how EU businesses would not be knocking on the doors of their Country's leaders, I can understand why you're so intent in deflecting from the evidence that these cracks are beginning to appear in EU unity. [quote]be pragmatic and explore all possible options to reach a solution which ensures smooth trade conditions,[/quote] Of course they want to tie us into terms that make us a vassal colony, hamstrung from realising our full potential as a very competitive thriving rival on their doorstep, so naturally they will express their desire for the negotiators to attempt to achieve that result. I notice though that you skipped lightly over the part of the letter that expressed the dire outcome for both parties (but especially them) if no free trade deal was arranged, the main reason for sending the letter of course. And no solution will be reached if the frogs continue to insist on their fishing remaining as before and we don't want to sign up for their level playing field.

You don't seem to realise that we are no longer tied by the CFP, It is now we who will set the quotas and who we allow to fish our waters. There might well be instances of compensation for permits rescinded, but if we wish to take back permits granted to foreign states under the CFP, that will be our decision to make. Fish are mobile? Who knew? As we now control our coastal waters, we will put in place our own policies for managing the fish stocks in our waters. What the EU do about the fish in their waters is up to them. Me, I'd stop super trawlers fishing in our waters, but I hear that in the Fisheries Bill just passed we have not done that. Apparently according to Greenpeace, we had a bloody great big German super trawler fishing in one of our marine protected zones in the last few days.

https://order-order.com/2020/10/14/read-in-full-major-european-business-organisations-call-on-eu-to-agree-a-brexit-trade-deal/ Remoaners have been very fond of telling us that EU businesses will not be knocking on Merkel's, Macron's or any other leader's door pleading for them to do a deal with us. Apparently it was far more important that they stick together, united in their devotion to the integrity of the single market and their desire to punish us for having the audacity to leave their gravy train. Well, here are the presidents of the main business groups of Germany, France and Italy pleading with the EU the day before the EU summit, to do a deal with us. And there is Merkel pleading with Macron to come to his senses and accept that France isn't going to get the same fisheries deal that they enjoyed under the CFP, so he is being an utter twat risking a no deal Brexit by insisting that there can be no talks on trade unless we grant them that. The penny might eventually drop with the pocket Napoleon that in the event of no deal, they will be entitled to zero fishing rights in our territorial waters. Frosty believes that Boris should hang fire on his decision to leave the negotiations unless the EU are prepared to accept our red lines, because he feels that a deal can be achieved in a couple of weeks. I think that unless the EU has shown some give by Friday, and if Macron still insists on his ludicrous position of fishing, Boris should walk away and tell them that until they are prepared to accept our position, there really is no point in wasting time going round in circles.

You still don't get it. I said that both sets of media over here and over there were biased towards the political stance they favoured. I didn't make any statement comparing our level of bias with theirs. Instead of me having to be more precise, perhaps you could read more carefully. We might not have direct equivalents in our presenters to theirs, but we certainly have programmes and presenters on the BBC and other stations who make their political and Brexit allegiances pretty clear. But I accept that you don't wish to discuss that

Did I say that we have comparable output in TV news to the USA? No, I thought not. But I stand by my assertion that all of the media outlets show bias towards their political viewpoint, both here and in the USA including our TV. The BBC is clearly biased towards the left and against Brexit, and Ofcom is a joke. Any complaints about the BBC have to go through the BBC first, before going to Ofcom only if one is unhappy with their response.

The media over there is just the same as it is over here. We all know which newspapers and which TV channels represent which political faction. It is no surprise at all that the media attempts to show their political bias for those whose policies they support and against those whose stance they oppose. Fox would not have been able to portray Biden as fast approaching senility if he was a lot more compos mentis. The same applies to CNN, who have plenty of ammunition supplied by Trump with his tendency to shoot from the lip about everything.

Yes, it was really clever of them to cobble together all those tapes of bumbling Biden and make it look as if he didn't know what day of the week it was, or where he was, wasn't it? Biden as POTUS; "What does this red button do? I can't remember. I'll just give it a little press and see what happens"

What a choice the Americans have, between the buffoon and the senile candidate. It might be an idea for them to have a closer look at their running mates, where Pence looks the far better bet.

What, like the horse meat that the French put into Findus lasagne you mean? If the government does a proper job, they will ensure that everything is labelled to identify country of origin, ingredients, fat/salt/sugar/preservative content, etc. The consumer can then make an informed choice on what they buy. You talk as if there isn't a market for high quality products commanding a higher price. It's amazing that those farmers in Japan producing their Wagyu beef have survived in view of all the cheap beef there is about. There is probably a John B on a website there somewhere bemoaning how their beef farmers will suffer from cheaper beef imports now they have a trade deal with us.

This is so typical of you, Soggy. Asian sex offenders? That covers the Chinese, Indians, Pakistanis, Thais, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Indonesians, Filipinos, etc. Just a few billion people that you have chosen to lump together. Why can't you be a bit more concise and specific about which ethnic group you are talking about with regard to sex crimes in the UK? What we are talking about here is a much narrower demographic; mainly Pakistanis by immigrant country and mainly Islamic by religion. So please don't try and lump together Asians from other countries and religions which are less misogynistic and more tolerant of homosexuality than they are. Of course sex crimes are committed by what you call "our own". But I invite you to identify similar situations to those regarding what you would call the "Asian" (Pakistani) grooming gangs.

Of course they are. They don't need the assistance of the EU in formulating these standards either, as in most areas our food standards are higher then theirs. And I don't see where the Tories will be in breach of their manifesto promises either, unless and until there is anything that comes to pass in a future trade deal that can be argued as lowering those standards. As for that dopey weirdo Caroline Lucas, why would hormone fed beef or chlorinated chicken affect her, as she's almost certainly a vegan.

He probably read it in the Guardian, so therefore it's a fact.

Bloody great wind turbines give no or minimal visual impact to sea views? I certainly don't appreciate seeing them any more than I do bloody great electricity pylons, and the difference with sea views, is that they are flat and visible over longer distances than pylons which can partly be hidden by the land contours. And won't the installation of them in itself cause considerable damage to the seabed?

As if having bloody huge windmills everywhere isn't fucking up the environment in a different way. I agree with Timmy for once, and see a future for Hydrogen as a viable alternative to battery power. Certainly the Japanese seem to be putting their research and development that way. But in other areas, whereas wind power can play a part, the solution will have to involve a mix of several alternatives, like wave, tide, solar and water power generation.

Is it? Where is the evidence for this assertion? There are cover-ups of both sets of child sexual abuse, one by the church and the other by the woke leftie media and the police. One set is committed usually by individuals, whereas the other is committed by gangs against individuals. One set is viewed as being committed by the identifiable individuals, the other isn't even seen as being perpetrated by immigrants from the particular Country of their origin, the preference being to pin the blame on immigrants from a large part of a continent.

The RoRo at Tilbury looks as if it is going well. https://www.forthports.co.uk/latest-news/tilbury2s-new-roro-terminal-completes-successful-ship-trials/

You lack any sort of perspective about Tory Party politics because you are a total outsider who doesn't understand how things work in the Party. It's all about Brexit, you see, Timmy. What happened to May? Apart from being the worst leader the party has ever had, she allowed the EU to walk all over her and Robbins in the negotiations, and then through lack of judgement, lost her majority in an election. You would have to be pretty naive not to accept or understand that she was a total liability to the Party, so had to go. Boris need not be too concerned about popularity polling among the party membership, as a lot of that is down to the handling of the Chinese virus. If he were to make serious concessions on the FTA negotiations, fisheries and the so-called level playing field and state aid, then he would be in real trouble, because he would lose a lot of membership support and Farage and the Brexit Party are waiting in the wings Lord Frostie the No Man is doing a brilliant job, and the EU are starting to wobble as time runs short. If we hold firm and get a Canada style deal, then all this project fear stuff about massive lorry parks in Kent will largely go away. If a FTA is not arranged shortly, then Boris needs to walk away to allow the time to arrange the logistical side of things. Even in a worst case scenario, any disruption would not last long before alternative arrangements would be made through other ports.to take the strain off Dover. I suspect that if Boris decides to step back from the party leadership, it will be at a time of his choosing, as he will want to be remembered by history as the PM who got Brexit done.