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It could also be Alpine, need to correlate against past posts on other threads... he is definitiley one of the usual trolls on here though.

Why are you arguing with Turkish? Surley you should just have all his many guises on ignore by now?

They are doing a good job, its on Sky sports under liverpool TV if anyone fancies a better quality image. Free to watch with sky sports. They are saying that Shaw Mk. II "looks a player2 Have to say that Rowe, seidi, JWP and chambers look the part. Forren clearly a step above this lot but that is expected. JojJo Shelvey is non existent.... doesn't he have an england cap? If so what a joke.

Nice argument and thanks for the effort, puts forward a different perspective clearly. Interesting to note that we are creating more chances noticeably more than earlier. However, have we traded this for a Vulnerability to fast counters that seems to be working without fail by the teams that are using it. (Frankly, in the qpr game, they were the team that looked dangerous to me, when they attacked I was scared. When we attacked it was nearly always half chances. We just attacked more, and lost because of it. It is an issue, because it is not likely that we will beat the top teams. And we are running out of time with no way to improve. I think we will stay up, but with Chelsea and Liverpool coming up, we could find ourselves in deep doo doo in 2 weeks time. I also think, that without doubt, Nigel would have kept us up. I just hope that MP will as well.

You clearly didn't watch Lambert yesterday. He was pathetic. So many times he just didn't even jump - feet never left the ground. If lallana hadn't had to go off injured we might have been treated to jayrod up front instead of Lambert, would have caused far more problems. Also, S.Davis should have played instead of GRam. We are borderline in trouble. Hard fixtures coming up. The fans need to be behind the team, ofc... but the team need to perform better than yesterday. If you don't think at least some players were "pathetic" or "Gutless" yesterday then you are in total denile, hopefully the management don't have the same view of those that feel the players did okay, if they do then we are likely going down.

I'm sorry, I didn't realise I was required to cheer Ricky Lambert when he can't even be arsed to jump of the floor because he was against a bloke bigger than him. I cheered the few players who deserved it, Morgan, cork and JayRod. Lambert should have been off quicker than grease lightening, was his worst performance in a long while. And the simple truth is, Harry Redknapp played the fans and won again. He made this match about the fans harrasing him, not about jeering qpr players and not about supporting our team. And by and large, are fans fell for it.... To my mind that is Arry -2-0- Saints. The team was complacent, which is the managers fault and the fact that no one briefed him as to what the fans were going to be like. There is a reason why we never put the boot in, and its because the fans always focus on the opposition, not our team in the grudge matches. And people can **** off if they think they can come online and moan at other fans... I have a season ticket and live in Bristol. If saints play **** I am more than entitled to moan about those players.. And the very simple fact is that Arry had the better tactics and won the mind game war..... Made it all about him and not about the match. Why in gods name fans on here think it was more important to shout abuse at someone who lost his job at a champions league team, lost the england job, and is going to get relegated - when our club is now in the way up... I will never know. Saggychops is in the past, beneath and behind us. If our fans had remembered that rather than yelling abuse at him we may have seen a better performance.. But after 30+ mins, that was the worst saints game I have seen in very long time, many players were **** and couldn't be bothered, and when that happens they need a kick up the backside, from the fans and the manager. Getting on their backs is the natural way to do it... Unless you like paying their wages for them to **** around?

Have you watched us play recently, he'll be lucky if he can go 2 seconds without riding a challenge.

I think we can sumarise this thread with a much loved song amonst my mates - "We hate west ham" or "Millwall till i die" Both are sung with much abandon on nights out when a certain west ham fan is out an about!

We have a group message chat on watsapp, a large deal of it is used for **** ripping the unfortunate Aston Villa supporting member ... I.e, its a Krul world when they played newcastle and he was making some great saves. Now, as part of this banter, a few weeks ago, i mentioned to one member, that he better watch out, as Saints are coming for west ham... he then responded with "if saints or Villa finish above west ham... I will eat my hat!" Rest assured, we are piling on the banter, asking him what particular delicacies he likes etc etc.... in short, a win for us and a loss for them next weekend will place him in an unfortuate position, and come the end of the season, i fully expect to see him presented with a hat!

In fairness, he was on the floor 5metres away having just been fouled. West ham players turned their backs to close down the new man, and within 5seconds the ball had left bales foot. Who new, west ham don't have eyes in the back of their heads. At the end of the day, the spammers are better than the bottom 4, and that is all it takes.... because they really are tripe. QPR, VILLA, READING for sure.

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I would disagree with that to be honest.

Shaw standing between the posts led to the goal.....WOOSH!!!

I assume you are of course aware that any sweeper plays behind the defense. You are referring to the role of a holding man in midfield? I would use Morgan or cork for this with the other roaming from deep and Davis as AMC. Richardson plays whenever shaw/clyne are unavailable... Fox is my 4th choice

In fairness, Penny is saying that the trust should raise more money by themselves. (according to the quotes you supply) Mike Hancock is saying that the trust should be given the loan? Whilst stating that local hospitals need money.. Or have I totally mis read your quites, if so I apoligie

Can Believe the flack that Dalek is getting on this thread. His original comment makes sense. Newcastle are a dangerous and much improved side who are/have turned the corner. People are very Naive if they think one win (granted impressive) against city, means we can stroll up to SJP and waltz off with a win. I assume City and United thought that against us, and we almost got 4 to 6 points from those to games.... As for saints, i said at the start of the season we will finish anywhere between 10-15th... expecting the higher margin. Looks like I was spot on as I was last year when I said we would go up automatic... Yet I get knocked for being a dreamer. People really need to stop going off on one over what a harmless comments. This saints side have the potential to be great. It has been obvious for 2 years now to be honest. But people seem to lack the ******** to believe in NC, believe in the young blood like lallana, cork, morgon etc. I mean for gods sake, we just dismantled city with a league 1/championship team. But there is still a lot of work to be done and we will lose a fair few games before we get there.

Anyone with half a brain will look at that and laugh. Anyone with a whole brain will laugh at the kind of ****e you can almost argue with statistics. The rest of us will just laugh at you putting forward a crap quantiative reason after slamming frank's version which make more sense and actually work when you analyse statistics. Also, you have been very hypocritical quoting 95% as "need to expand" but slamming our own attendances which are largely the same.

I find the idea of not taking Cortese at his word laughable. I find the idea that you think the opposite about him is even more laughable.

Another point, NC said recently that he is looking to take ideas from successful european systems on an ongoing basis. And looking at what doesnt work. Well.. These cheap ass tickets work in Germany, and if we built and could fill this beast. Wow, my mouth is watering now. Time to come back to the cold ruthless business NC that I have in my mind

Well, it would mean we really do have money to burn, we'd increase the fanbase thats for sure, and we'd sell alot more merchandising. Also, imagine the position it would put us in for attracting other fans in the uk vs the other "expensive clubs" - we can dream On a serious note, I've been loving how NC has allready reduced ticket prices so far despite spending record somes of money on new players!!! On a dreaming note. It is possible, that say - double the size of the ground, knock tickets down to £20 quid, and season tickets down to £350 that you'd fill that beast given time and good football. (Relies on us actually having the capital to fund it.) Would certainly increase the fanbase over the years, and increased merchandising sales and stature would pay for the beast over time. If we have the money, (considering investment in facilites doesn't count against ffp) then, well, stranger things have happened - I.e. Man city being the worlds richest club, spending 1 billion in 4 years, and still can't get through the group stage of champions league In comparison to that, I'll have a 59k stadium for 50million thank you very much!

Watch the highlights of Chelsea away. Although these guys are playing well, it is not down to the Military Police. They (especially Morgan) were allover the pitch at stamford bridge and even in earlier games.

Really... its about the one thing that is obvious is that he took the plunge at the best time to sack him. He let Nigel stabilize us, then got the new guy in when we could have a break abroad with the option for possible transfers at the end of the window. He said it himself. This guy is here to take us on to the next level and its fair evident what that means with the style of play vs Man Utd and Everton and the fact that we outplayed United for the 45min we bothered to turn up for. Its also nice to have a manager who knows how to make a decent substitution. Been a while. But at no point has anyone associated with the club said "we are bringing in MP to attract and sign global football stars". Stop knocking the club with every single post. There are enough people to do that without you adding to it. Or if you are going to, at least base it on some bloody evidence. Otherwise you are on the slippery slopes of an Alpine region. As for transfers, people in this thread have been saying that we are not better than Wigan, reading, qpr, villa etc etc. Well correct me if I am wrong, But we are a newly promoted side who has one 5 out of 6 matches vs our direct rivals. Now if we had lost 5/6 matches, we would clearly be worse than them (and 15points worse off). So how people can argue the opposite is beyond me, especially when you consider our start and the improvement in form and defense over the last set of matches. I think the question should be, if people are unhappy with the team, who would you switch with in the bottom 5 clubs?

This is a shambles. United aren't even trying. Both goals from the left... Fed sum1 teamkill fox. Be a benefit. Why the **** is Shaw dropped. Puncheon no service. At the moment mp out

In support of your comment, and against Barry Sanchez... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_football_clubs_in_England_by_major_honours_won Pretty interesting read. For example, Man city are 8th with... wait for it.... 3 league titles - the last of which came after a 40year barren and unsuccessful spell. Aston Villa - 7 leagues and 7 FA cups/5 LC. - I don't personally think they are that much bigger than saints, and certainly won't be bigger than us when we are established in the premier. Leeds United (A famed big club) - 3 leagues, 2 cups - last won the league in 1992. Liverpool are also on the way down, approximately 2 decades since they last won a league (excluding CL). I think this all goes to show that fluctuation does happen, and to dismiss our chances on the basis that we have been unsuccessful and therefore will never be successful is ********. Villa are down the pan - 4th most successful English club whose last trophy was the LC in 1992.... and Man City were a saints level club prior to being taken over by wealth backers... a club who had just got promoted a few years earlier from League 1? Also if you knock off Chelseas recent league and FA Cups wins..... where exactly would they be in the table? In short, I agree with Adrian; Barry's comment means little and if anything it supports the idea that change does happen.

Wes you have really missed an understanding of FFP. It doesn't/won't "level the playing field"... it fixes it in its current form. We are in a very good position going into this, if you compare us to stoke (who spend a fortune most seasons - net spend) we have a good youth setup that can take some of the load. This is good for us vs a lot of the premier teams. But we are getting some financial doping (training ground, £39m this year on players), and we are getting it to late to circumvent FFP. Now I know FFP isn't designed to stop investment in facilities etc, but the fact remains that the money comes from wealthy backers or player transfers. Bearing in mind our wealth, and Cortese's track record... if he says we are going places then I am not going to argue. But FFP is not going to level the playing field. Big clubs would not vote for it if that was the case. Just like EPPP. Its a sham to keep those at the top.. at the top.