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Monaco would be very dull.

Good work that!

Well you're equating not having high levels of formal education with being 'thick'. I.e how dare some thicko not have a degree in sociology. Do you disagree with what i thought was generally accepted, that more working class people have lower levels of education?

I know you want to make this into some UKIP vs ' every Serious financial player' but if you took you head out your arse you'd see there are plenty of serious financial analysts on the Brexit side. You're delusion sort of shines through when you say concerns over immigration are 'probably spurious'. As if it's irrational to be concerned about having an open door to over 500 million, many of whom in countries with crippling unemployment and lack of opportunities. All that while our population already explodes. It will be impossible for us to create a high wage society for working class people for as long as we've got an open door to countries doing as badly as Greece and Spain. The whole reform thing is laughable too. We are one of 28 other states. We are outvoted every time we ever oppose anything. We have no influence over the ideological Euro federalists.

Everyone now and then then their contempt for traditional working class people slips out.. In their view one day everyone will be 'educated' into coming round to their world view.

It's nothing new in the sense the EU has been ideologically going this way for years, but what i meant was it's going to continue that way, not stay more or less the same like the remain camp would have us believe. As Farage calls it - 'Euro- Nationalism'

This is it. The remain camp are clinging onto their 'leap into the dark' rhetoric as their last remaining joker in the pack, but it's such a short sighted view. OK, maybe in the very near future it is more 'predictable' to stay, but in the long run its going to change drastically too. You only have to watch Guy Verhofstadt being applauded in the EU parliament as he effectively calls for a united states of Europe, to understand which direction this is all heading in. The 5 presidents report blatantly sets it out too, they are steering the EU into tighter fiscal and social union in a desperate attempt to save the Euro project. Thankfully we didn't join, despite what much of the remain camp tried to tell us, so we have a life boat which we wouldn't have had if the likes of Clegg and co had had their way. It's a terrifying thought if we vote to stay, the corridors of Brussels and Strasbourg will be ecstatic knowing they finally have us locked in and can throw away the key for good.

Arron Banks has been the main financial backer in Leave.EU. Multi millionaire, made a lot in insurance.

Exactly. They know that making arguments for the institutions of Brussels/Strasbourg, increasing centralisation, the commission, TTIP etc (whatever we're actually voting on) has become increasingly toxic amoungst much of the population so they try and manipulate people by conjuring up positive feelings about Europe itself which of course most people have. Sad thing is i think it is working to an extent- whenever i speak to someone why they want to stay in, a good chunk of the time they'll talk about 'loving Europe' as opposed to the EU.

They've been many other plots though, thankfully they've just been stopped. There is a Jihadi network across Europe now, many of whom have been out fighting in war zones and have now come back to live in European communities wanting to wage a war here. I don't think it's irrational for people to be fearful of the future. As for the Euros, there is clearly an element of risk at England v Russia in Marseille, two countries which have been involved in bombing campaigns, playing in Marseille a city with a massive muslim population. All in today's current climate. Let's hope not though anyway.

Can't let the Islamists dictate where we can and can't go.Even if there is an obvious risk.

If you can't accept at all there's a clear link between many, not all, of the most vocal voices in the IN camp, and their previous support for chaining us to the disastrous Euro project, without so much as a referendum on it, then we'll agree to disagree.

Only very narrowly, and Europe is one continent of many. EU migration has been the driving force behind unprecedented levels of net migration, that's the fact. Let's hear the IN camp make the positive case for these levels of immigration for the next how ever many decades, instead of denial.

Not really that selective though is it, i named, and could name many more, of the prominent figures on the IN side who were cheerleaders for the Euro. Who wanted to take away one of the most basic powers of a nation state democracy, and hand it to the European central bank, without so much as a vote on it. It's head in the sand stuff to deny there's any link. And it's perfectly logical for people to bare that in mind when making this decision.

I know you're on a wind up but i'll try again anyway. You made out in your post that many people on the IN side are 'reluctantly' backing staying, and far from being enthusiastic about the project are backing staying because its the 'responsible, stable' choice blah blah. That's simply a laughable claim when you look at the majority of the main cheerleaders for staying in Blair/A Johnson/Clegg/Ken Clarke/Heseltine/Branson/Madelson/CBI/Goldmansachs etc etc the list goes on, they all wanted us to join this disastrous currency. My point is though, they wanted us to give away such a huge part of our sovereignty and power (without ever asking the people i might add), and hand it to the institutions of Brussels and the European Central Bank. They have always been fanatical about the project, they love the idea of a centralised European state, NOTHING has changed, its not some 'wild conspiracy' as you say, it's simply the truth and you only have to look at their support for the Euro to understand that. So you painting this image that they're 'reluctantly backing what's safer for jobs and the economy' is ridiculous. The foundation of the economic argument is a pretty simple one. You don't have to be in political union to trade and co-operate with other countries. They'd be a 2 year period where nothing would change, whilst we negotiated a deal where both parties benefit, including the swathes of European industry who want access to our 60+ million market of consumers.

So 'sceptical' they all wanted us to join the Euro?

But Europe is one continent out of the whole world? Fact is EU migration to the UK keeps going up and up, and will continue to as we raise to the living wage and the Eurozone continues to be a disaster. For example last year alone 46 odd thousand came from Bulgaria and Romania (despite everyone calling Farage a scaremonger at the time for saying large numbers would come). It's generally accepted knowledge that the government is now penalising greatly against non EU migrants (i know several myself) to make up for rising EU migration. End of the day- if you vote to remain in the EU you are accepting a) Levels of 300k+ plus net migration year on year. b)open doors to 500+ million people c) a system were we discriminate against those from other parts of the world because they happened to be born on a different continent. It's not surprising that the Cameron loyalists will tow the line. Many of the key figures on the YES side too, have always loved the EU and the idea of a federal Europe, nothing has changed on that obviously. Blair, Alan Johnson, Branson, Mandelson, Clegg, Ken Clarke, Tim Farron and so on, all wanted us to join the Euro- they love the idea of a big centralised European state.We should remember that. It's the same when we see Goldman Sachs bank rolling the IN camp, we should also look at their record when it comes to the Eurozone. Fact is their are many experienced/respected figures backing Brexit. Over half of Tory MPs (?) i think. You've got people like Micheal Howard, Liam Fox, David Davis, Micheal Portilo, Nigel Lawson etc etc, as well as plenty of respected business figures. So you can paint it as some Farage-Galloway thing but it's not the case. On the UK/England thing. I would accept questions will be raised as Scotland will almost certainly vote to stay i imagine- but Northern Island/Wales i think will be closer.

We have a goods trade deficit of over 8 billion with the EU. And i don't know about the rest of Europe, but we are Germany's biggest trading partner. Why would they not seek to come to an amicable trade deal in the long run? And again, where else in the world is it necessary to be in federalised political union to trade? My point is, the IN campaign seem to be unwilling to robustly defend the political institutions of Brussels, their fundamental structures, and why it's the more desirable option for us to be governed by this centralised power. As you've sort of illustrated in your post, it seems their is clearly a two dimensional plan- project fear on the economic woes of leaving, and by taking pot shots at the 'personalities of the OUT camp'. For example the IN leaflet i received seemed more intent on associating Brexit with Farage, then defending Brussels itself. And there's a huge range of very respected and experienced figures on the OUT side- so its either ignorant or cheap of you to simply paint it as a 'Johnson-Farage- Galloway' pact. And it's interesting that you deem people concerned about the sovereignty of our country to be half-witted. Voting to stay in is not a vote for the status quo. The EU is heading further and further to closer union. That is their 'solution' to their disastrous Euro Project, they've been open about it, and we will be sure to get sucked further in with them. A YES vote will just be the green light for them. So you may not care about the U.K further handing it's democratic governance to a supranational European state, but a lot of people actually do, believe it or not.

1. Why would they hold us to ransom over free movement if we are their biggest export market? It's a bizarre notion that in order to enjoy trading without tariffs we must also open our borders to over 500 million people. Don't think that concept exists anywhere else in the world? 2. On the project fear thing. You say 'swallowed as if it's some sort of illusion. I'll stop calling it project fear when i start to hear ANY positive arguments from the In camp. Start making the positive case for an unelected legislature, the continued centralisation of power into a furthered supranational governance , the common agriculture/fisheries policy, open borders, the EU's record so far (whether that be the Euro or migrant crisis). There is no getting around the fact this is what the EU is, so let's hear the positive case for it. But it won't really be made, because the establishment know the majority of people don't really want these things. So the best way to persuade people in their eyes is to convince them not that the EU is good or has a successful record we can trust, but instead that the alternative is scary and worse.

Complete stitch up.

It's interesting that you dismiss Farage as 'a clown'. Are you not aware that we wouldn't even have a referendum if it wasn't for him? Farage, like him or loath him, has been the key driving force in shaping this whole debate we see today. He's no doubt done that through damn hard work and by becoming one of the best orators around. My understanding of a clown is certainly not someone who has had as much of an impact on the political landscape as he's had. I was at the grassroots meeting on friday in London and this isn't about 'Farage & Galloway', there was a host of speakers from David Davis (ex Europe minister it's worth noting), a brilliant speech from Kate Hoey, Tory and UKIP MEPs, economists, trade unionists, business owners etc. I got a pro EU leaflet through the post recently, and of course they're trying to play the man not the ball- making this into some sort of referendum on Farage. The truth is they're having to do this because their positive arguments for the EU as an institution are running thin. But maybe their next leaflet will more clearly outline the benefits of an unelected commission, the common agricultural policy and open borders. I won't hold my breath though.

How many Brits are desperate to go and live in Romania or Bulgaria? Top 6 countries with British expats are: Australia, the U.S, Canada, Spain, NZ and South Africa. So only one European. Point is it's a stupid argument when people say we have to accept unlimited amounts from across 27 European countries 'because think of all those retired Brits in Spain'.

The point is why should we discriminate on what continent someone was born on? Why should we commit to unlimited/unrestricted immigration from Eastern and Southern Europe, and then make it so difficult for someone outside the EU to gain residence even if they have much better reasons/are more qualified to move here? Makes no sense to me.

Rotherham, Rochdale, Oxford etc?

Because it doesn't fit their pro multicultural prejudiced agenda does it. Middle class feminists like Caroline Lucas and her band of student followers for example, spending all their time whinging about page 3 because the Sun is both owned and red by nasty white men. But you won't hear a peep from them when it comes to segregated or all male Labour meetings, grooming gangs running amok for years etc. I live in Oxford at the moment, and trust me the issue of girls being harassed by a certain section of the community has not ended.