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True, they have now all embraced the 'new normal' it seems. But if you look at London in particular, the people who are going to suffer most are your TFL workers, office security guards/maintenance people, launderettes, cafe/bar workers, cab/uber drivers, hotel staff, airport workers etc. When you try and make this point to Karen the covid-secure do gooder from Richmond working in her Pjs, they will probably sneer something like 'haha what so the system collapses if we don't buy our Pret and pay our rip off tube fares'.

It really is banana republic style political policing. Nevertheless, I am sure there will be plenty of boot lickers on this thread who delight in seeing peaceful protesters being cuffed and thrown in the back of police vans.

Does your logic include under 50s? Under 1,000 under 50s have died of/with it. A large % of those will have really died of something else but had covid put on their certificate. Now factor in huge decrease in cancer diagnoses, a small increase in suicides etc. I'd be interested to hear anyone dispute that more under 50s will die indirectly from our reaction than from covid itself.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-remainers-more-bothered-by-differing-views-in-family-poll-shows-h6kh2vrp7 YouGov did it for the Times, was discussed on LBC the other day. Anecdotally, it very much resonates with personal experience and those of family/friends.

By not uniting around accepting the *possibility* of a no deal, it's pretty obvious parliament scuppered any chance of a favourable agreement. And May's 'deal' wouldn't have settled anything, it merely gave away 30 billion to tie our hands on future negotiations Been likened to a Nazi (by a practising Uni professor, which tells you something), been spat on, am regularly in-directly called thick/stupid etc in the office. I say in-directly because (as a lot of Brexiteers I know experience) they all presume no one around them would have voted Brexit. I'm not denying the combative language used by some on the leave side, but polling shows consistently, and in my own experience - that on a personal level, those on the remain side have much higher levels of hatred and intolerance towards Brexiteers than visa versa. I have many mild-mannered family member brexiteers who have lost friends, through the sheer nastiness they have had directed at them over it. I'm not saying leave is completely innocent in all this polarisation, it's just galling to have remainers playing the poor victims.

Ah yes, calling those with different political views 'non thinking' is not insulting at all? Mere simpletons who are manipulated to lap up slogans, as you put it. And again, in this post you repeat the thing that has added hugely to the 'hate' you simultaneously complain about. Namely that Brexiteers are stupid, thick, racist, manipulated by 'lies', uninformed. I've heard it in my office, among friends, the media - for three years now. We are sick of the hypocrisy. We have had insults thrown at us for 3 years, whilst politicians have refused to unite around the mandate- and now you all take the moral-high ground because leavers use words like surrender. If vocal remainers actually care about healing the political climate, then it would be a start to get your own house in order before you start pointing the finger at us.

You talk about encouraging hate of opponents, and then in the same post call the average Brexiteer 'non-thinking' It's like a friend I have on FB. He has spent the last 3 years relentlessly filling my timeline with toxic and hateful rhetoric about Brexit voters, and then yesterday puts up a post crying about Boris's language. The double-standards people like you and him have.

Could I take this one? Presuming Blagdon has sold to original poster.

Not watched the footage have you? Oh dear

Sorted one, thanks though.

Has anyone got a spare knocking about?

No one seems to be advocating that though. We just get buzz words like education and youth centres. How about start throwing the book at any one caught carrying.

After a spare if anyone an help me out.

So you've added conspiratorial financial self-interest to your explanations of people having different views to you. I assume you got that one from being spoon-fed the JRM 'story' from the MSM. The metro elite is characterised by yourself. Basically demonising those with alternative outlooks in the way you do (racist/brainwashed/greedy self-interest etc). The metro elite (I work with a lot), tend to live in a bubble, so it's easy for them to cook up these theories. The people they do know with different views will rarely make that known, because they can't be bothered with the condescension and viciousness it would likely endure.

It makes you up your own arse because you think your opinion is so 'correct', that any one with an alternative one must have been duped/fooled into having that. The only other explanation you'll sometimes entertain is that it all comes down to inherit racial prejudice. I know lots of people like yourself.

You really are so up your own arse you think anyone with a different perspective has been 'duped' or 'fooled', don't you? Epitome of the metro elite.

They'll hold us to ransom on having a second referendum.

It is fake news though. The Independent said there were 'little over 2,000'. You have to laugh really.

Some of the figures I've seen quoted by the fake-news media is hilarious. They literally just make stuff up.

They are currently non-EU. But given time will be granted EU citizenship, and thus British if we were to stay. The British people saw the Merkel and co's approach to it , and didn't want to be in the hands of these people's agenda, or incompetence. I'm not sure what I'm meant to interpret. That our government hasn't got a hold on non-EU immigration? Non-EU migration should be higher than EU migration. But you can see from 2011 how we clamped down on non-EU immigration to compensate for the influx from within the EU. Bulgaria/Romania accounting for a lot of that (Farage was mocked for saying that would happen). But i presume you think they were all highly skilled tech entrepreneurs? And It's not that confusing. I think it's too high to be sustainable in the long term, and would like to see it come down. But contrary to what you like to characterise, like most people I don't want to shut the doors. We just need to have a very selective policy that judges on what someone can bring to the UK, what connections you have (partners etc) and your wealth. A lot of people have a gripe that even someone getting married to a Brit who is non-EU, will have a a long costly process getting a visa, but we have to accept tens of thousands of low-skilled workers from southern and eastern europe.

Yes and our overall migration figures have gone down because of that decline. The point is for as long as we're in the EU we can't do anything about it, other than discriminate massively against non-EU citizens to try and counter-act endless low-skilled EU migration. And with the migrant-crisis, all the millions the EU have welcomed in, will then have EU passports after a while, and then be able to come to the UK. But seems you're on the same page as the EU with regards to long-term population replacement. Why are you so against us treating everyone across the board equally, on merit and ties to the UK? Classic remainer too, anyone who has a different point a view to you has been 'fooled', 'duped'...

You don't get it though, we don't want to cram over a million on to the population every 3 years. We don't want to concrete over our country with new housing, roads and infrastructure services to sustain never-ending population growth. And I can see why you're pro EU, clearly support the same vision of population replacement. The old 'ageing population guise'.

You said I think that shows what you're about then. Hardly 'just asking questions' were you. And it's sustainable or unsustainable depending on what kind of UK you think is desirable for our future. If you want to live in a concreted-over sprawl of a country, with little identity left of it's own, then f*ck it, why don't we add another couple of million on every 3 years. Fair enough if you're enthusiastic about that, but it's bizarre you can't see why a lot of people aren't.

Maybe it just gets f*cking boring trying to reason with people like you, as to why some people don't believe adding a million plus to our population every 3 years is sustainable.

They're the first to mock, deride and take the high ground - but they never put their hands up when they get it wrong.