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So now we are outraged at hypothetical changes to the system which the ConDems haven't even invented yet?

Specific players - Le Fondre, Beattie (thought I'd get in early with than one), Chaplow on a perm. General requirements A winger with pace and height. Antonio would be perfect, but we wont get him. A winger with skill and technique. A big strong, but much younger, centre half to replace Jaidi HCNDAJFU - Pulis, Forecast, Wotton, Holmes, Connolly, Guly and Jaidi. Getting rid of them may prove difficult in some cases.

Rule ein.

Just look at the options we had to change it from the bench. Connolly, Doble, Dean and Gobern. Two of them haven't even played for Saints yet, Gobern is hardly proven and Connolly... aside from that FA Cup cameo he hasn't done anything for the best part of a year now. Infact I've just checked, he scored against Walsall in last weekends fixture last season, since then he has 1 League goal. I don't get how we've signed so many players and yet are still so thin. It seems like there is a black hole sucking players in. Looking at it, he barely had a team to put out today, let alone plan B. Let's see what January brings before crucifying him.

Any students who think this are just a muppet plain and simple. If you're thick enough to just go "aaaaghh, debt" without actually looking at the wider picture, then you probably shouldn't be going to uni anyway. There is no possible scenario under this scheme where you could ever end up paying back loan repayments you can't afford. I'm not sure exactly which degrees cost £50k in tuition fees and will only put you level on salary with a McDonnalds burger flipper, but I'd probably give that course a miss too. Maybe I just can't get into the mentality of someone from a deprived background, but if it was me I'd be saying, "great. I can go and do a degree that I can't pay for at the moment and I will only have to pay it back when I've got a decent salary coming in".

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I'm no Tory, but who are people going to vote for instead? Labour after they bankrupt our country and with Milliband in charge? The Lib Dems who promise voters gold dust and magic beans, then bail out on their promises with the coalition govt?

1. They're getting off their arses and doing something pointless. The country is skint, cuts need to be made and they are not exempt from this. 2. After the projected end of the recession? Quite possibly. After this country has wiped out it's MASSIVE amount of debt? Not on your nelly. 3. A bit of an ironic statement since the students are actually protesting AGAINST a change in the status quo. The changes that need to be made involve cutting costs and increasing income. A reasonable portion of that will have to come from education, same as any other sector. 4. So they went to one of the best schools in Britain and this got them a top government job. If you flip the coin and slated some "pikey" MPs just because they went to a basic comprehensive school, you would be labled an arrogant snob. Yet for some reason discriminating against the well educated is fine. 5. It was hardly a minority of the country. It wasn't enough of a majority to win the election outright, but it's hardly as if the Monster Raving Looney Party is running the show. 6. How many times does it have to be said. THIS NEW TUITION FEE PLAN DOES NOT PREVENT POOR PEOPLE GOING TO UNIVERSITY. There is no up front fee. You don't have to pay ANYTHING back until you are earning a salary. You can't "not afford" to pay £0, no matter how poor your upbringing. Gordon Bennett... 7. Yes we have a Monarchy. They have been living in luxury at the taxpayers expense in principalities accross Europe for several millenia. What the feck has it got to do with tuition fees now. Yes it will cost a bit. It will also draw in big revenues in terms of tourism, TV coverage and souvenir mugs. How many people do you reckon will line the streets of London for the wedding? A couple of hundred thousand maybe? All wanting food, accomodation, transport, souvenirs etc.

Gash. Just gash. The only two Saints players to come out of today's game with any credit were BWP and Skacel. Sadly they left 18 months ago and I had to watch that shoyt. We were awful all over the park. It was like the Wilkins games all over again.

I think the people outraged at the Lib Dems really need a reality check. EVERY election they can promise voters the moon and the stars, knowing they will never be in government and will never be required to act on these promises. Now they have a foot in the door with the coalition, suddenly they've got half a chance of pushing a few of their policies through. Unfortunately many of them are completely unfeasbile, like the promise not to raise tuition fees.

I'm guessing not... "The wings will be operated by the drivers, who will be able to use them when they are within a second of a car in front which they are trying to overtake" It's a good idea IMO, but I'm guessing as soon as the car behind gets 1mm infront of the car they are trying to overtake, technically the overtakee is within 1s of the car in front and can use the moveable wings too. I predict lots of juicy controversy over this rule.

It's the same for me. I have no problem at all with young people wanting to be educated so they can get a decent job. It's the people who don't think they should pay for their degree, even though all of them can afford it, and so thrown their toys out the Pram. Defacing a monument to war heroes and a statue of Sir WC isn't exactly endearing them to the rest of the nation.

I know, that's why I took £30k. It's a moddest figure, which a qualified graduate could reasonable expect to earn.

No it's not, there is a massive difference. If you get sacked tomorrow, you don't get to stop paying your mortgage. You can't buy a house and then delay paying it off for years until you've got a decent job. The deal students are getting is far cosier than any mortgage on the market.

At a rate of about £15 a week (assuming for a second he gets a job earning £30kpa). So this bloke wants to go to uni, but isn't willing to give up 3% of his future wages to pay for it. Wow, he must really have a passion for his career.

Yeah, it doesn't really help their cause when people like that are on their side.

So on the one had there are students breaking into buildings, throwing rocks, snooker balls and feck knows what else. However you are outraged at the Police for running towards them. If you play with feathers, you get your arsed tickled. Anyone who is enough of a tool to start a fight with a bunch of riot police deserves all they get.

I think 3 seasons in the treatment room is enough to draw a conclusion for me. Sorry Lee, useful player but time to move on.

Glad it has passed. It's a good proposal for Britain and perfectly fair. Waaaay back in this thread someone was quoting potential students from low income families saying they were put off doing a course by the high levels of debt. GOOD! They can f**k off and not do the course. Not being able to pay for uni is one thing but not being WILLING to pay for it is completely different. If you don't have the belief to see a course through and have a sound plan for getting a job on the end of it, you should not being going to uni. This is what a uni student should be: "I want to become a XXXXX For this I will need a degree in XXXXX I'm not able to pay for this course, but when I have completed it and got a job and CAN afford it, I intend to repay the tax payer in full". This is what a student should not be: "I've just left school and I was never that good and didn't really get decent grades. I don't really know what I want to do as a career yet, but I kinda like doing XXXXX and want the life experience of going to uni. I'm not so sure I want to do XXXX any more because the new tuition fees mean I will have to repay all the costs when I get a job."

So what you are basically saying is people from lower income families can't understand the concept of a decent salary and paying back the loan when they can afford it? Nonesense IMO. You're right £21k isn't that big a salary, but you're not paying back £30k a year from that. You're paying back a certain proportion relative to your earnings. Let me put it this way. If I had just left college and got a place in medschool, and my parents didn't have a bean between the pair of them, I'd still go for it under the proposed scheme.

What has class got to do with this? You pay the fees back when you are employed and earning over £21k. Then you pay an affordable percentage of your wage each year, regardless of whether you are the 4th Earl of Derbyshire or Wayne the Hairy from Paulsgrove. If you're a surgeon earning £60k a year, you can't really use the argument that you're from a poor upbringing.

I vaguely remember hearing on the news yesterday that we were hopefully of pulling troops out of Afghanistan over the next couple of years. I'm sure the whole country is behind that, myself included. Nobody wants our boys over there getting killed. The simple fact is that irrespecitive of the political reasons for going in/pulling out, we can't just up sticks and leave. It would create a similar country to the one the Soviets left behind when they pulled out. Tribal rule, tyranny, persecution, discrimination, fundamentalist Islam... basically a whole lot of messed up people with sick ideas on world affairs and a chip on their shoulder. It's nothing to do with trident. Bed time.

If I might propose another spin on that story...

This was done to death on a thread a couple of months ago, people will always disagree on this issue. Many people, myself included believe a nuclear deterant to be critical to the long term security of Great Britain. Many others don't believe a deterant is important and therefore think it should be scrapped. There's no point arguing because it's just not going to happen. You might as well say I'm healthy and never use a hospital, let's cut healthcare from the budget. Costs need to be cut accross the board. This includes students.

You've blown your own argument out of the water with that statement. Driving lessons are a luxury item, which you should not be paying for if you are struggling to afford food. I don't want to sound all "woe is me" but when I was in sixth form I had to cycle 10km each way to get to school. There's me with my typical middle class, moddest upbring cycling through rain, snow and hail to get to lessons, whilst the poor, underpriviledged kids were overtaking me in a 1.1 Fiat Punto, paid for in part by the tax payer. And apparently education favours the wealthy.