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http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/player/LiveMatches/0,,10280,00.html pay up

good start so far, by sounds of it .. Saint_clark re last reply in build up no of course not I just meant ... well would be hear end of it?

Alps might get proved very right today & GS for that matter ... 4-1 MK after hearing Team news

why do you need to twist others words to win your arguments? please quote where anyone has said we don't want to win or that we think the team dosent want to win? This is something you do nearly every time you arrgie with people. If you can't see the differences in body langague , attitude and effott perhaps we should chip in & buy you some videos from years gone by? or better still a few tickets so you can actually view a game & judge on what your actually seeing As we keep going on about the money .. its 9 in 16 since start of window.

OH indeed you jusat showed you dont get anything! & that you just dislike AP . its a winning mentality .. that dosent mean you win everything or everygame.

one of GS best posts I do hear OP voice & opinion tho. From day 1 next season the pressure will be on in fact it may even start in pre season .. There are things that make you wonder what will improve over the summer months to make us tighter as a team .. we shall see

It's all very good trying to atagonise people all the time but at least get your point right! You better e-mail NC & tell him he's was wrong in his interview then! You obviously know more that HE does By the way, Why are all your arguments so black & white? why can't people WANT us to get promoted but keep a level head of perspective if we don't make it? Just because you cant? no thanks!

who posted the pdf of the seating plan? or where is it? got mine today

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Just got here any quick team news hope it good game and we play as well as we can

Depends this .. He said results .. 7 loses in about 26 .. yep I would call that odd loses .. But i'm guessing you mean performance? or counting the crap away draws ? I have actually got onboard the numpty bus. The away results DO worry me in that The picthes won't be better next year so what will have changed?

>>> Not sure where you heard this .. maybe at the ECHO???.. FLYBE are restructuring completly all & this includes sponorships & other advertising methods. So the pull out wasn't really a shock. & It's been openly stated I believe by club, that no shirt sponsorship next year. I actually think there's 2 reasons for this, & that when a deal for 2011/12 is done they are hoping a far better deal for Saints as have improved who we are as a club.

>> are you sure?

Actually I have to laugh .. was I wrong? I dont know but I have found a sense of humour I never saw before in some of your posts. Still find I am agreeing on some points that there's no getting away from but others of course I disagree. My issue isnt that we diagree, it's that some posters DID infer those with different opinions didnt have a brain cell, that they were "happy clappers" or worse lol Some of the negativity is justified, some isn't. Then it looks sometimes as if these varrying opinions the posters get personal & slate the ones who dont agree personally. Having re read some of the things I have said in reply, I will say sorry, as I think my own comments probably went to far & borderd on personal. My OP was not aimed at individuals but due to MY poor skills MUST of come over that way. M

How can anyone hate you? they don't know you.

Indeed, but we dont know why or how? I am a bit weary that it could be one of 2 things.. 1 ) AP went to him said I need 4 players and I can get us up? maybe around xmas time... or worse & more worryingly 2) Once they took over & started the investment the task reality kicked in, what needed to be spent just to get us up? what failure this season might cost money wise? or maybe & we just dont know ML put MORE pressure on to see a better result shown money wise? It could even be that he is getting ready for the DoF to be in place & therefore be the type of boss NC would normally of been & have the relasionship he wanted. ON the other hand, the quote & wording of what he said could of been blown out of proportion to what he was saying. He MIGHT just of meant I want us aiming for play offs .. nothing wrong with that really!!

QUOTE=alpine_saint;644403]Then go away and stop wasting server space, FFS. 2 posts back you said I don’t post personal abuse 4 posts or so back you said you didn’t start 3 or so posts back you then claimed you should have the right to post without fear of personal attacks ..With one post. you have proved your a hypocrite & want it both ways. You deliberately offend & many instances it has NOTHING to do with Saints .. Poster stated HIS opinion .. you don’t like it! aww your like a kid who has been told by mummy to let others use his toys too!!!

>> So do I Have had a fab time at the games & the mood is better which also adds to it all .. To try in put in context who it was aimed at ... August 2011 we are starting in CCC .. we got promoted we had a good summer in transfer market .. it's 5 past 3 on the first Saturday .. The "mood" should be vibrant & optomistic . BUT you just know we will already have the same old posters telling us the manager ( who ever it is is rubbish, its a poor start .. etc etc etc Many seem to confuse ambition/expectation desire & right The truth is in football it has never matterd how much you spend you still WILL lose you still will concede goals & you will still go through a poor spell every season ..

Agreed & the frustrating thing from the short time I have been here is that most DO have valid points about things .. BUT that's not the issue I have ..

NOOO He's just a poster who has the ability to use & think about respect of others opinions. Having seen other posts clearly has the ability to admit when wrong too. If being better mannerd & considerate makes people a "girl" .. need I say more? I think not your post here if I could sum it up & relate it to football .. I would say it was an OWN GOAL

Hey I hopped I had made it clear I don't think people have to attend to have an opinion if I implied otherwise I retract it that was NOT my point.

I am a happy clapper or am I? When you don’t agree with certain posters on here this is what you get called, what it actually normally means is they don’t have a valid argument to your opinion. These negative posters criticise & use the weakest excuses, & go from game to game ALWAYS finding SOMETHING to moan, whinge criticise about. It is ALMOST as if the change in status we have had in the year FRUSTRATES them more than pleases them. Why? Am I a happy clapper though? Do I appreciate the good times & good feelings are on the way back? Yes I do. Do I feel we are lucky to be where we are now? Yes! But that doesn’t make me want the club to do better, it also doesn’t mean when we lose that I don’t s get angry & frustrated scream at team / manager / chairman lol .. BUT I CAN keep things in perspective . Should we of chased for Playoff’s this season? Yes too right we should. Is missing out disappointing & upsetting hell yes!! Is it a disaster? NO Has AP failed as a manager? NO Have the “team let us down? NO far from it, I have had some of the greatest moments at saints games for years this year love being at the ground there is a buzz around the club, eager fans looking forward to kick off . It’s a great feeling. The argument about negativity/ happy clappers drives me nuts to be frank. WHY do certain posters believe football is so one dimensional? Because apparently you can’t saviour or enjoy what we have & WANT success or improvement at the same time. IF we break down the arguments you would believe that Man utd/ Chelsea/Arsenal never lose OR draw!& deffo never concede “soft” goals”. Football if their opinion is to be believed would be very boring to watch because those that spent MORE would never lose? & defiantly never draw! & Sky the BBC & ITV & ESPN wouldn’t pay MILLIONS for the rights to show it! Apparently having NO preseason of any use is not a relevant argument to the fact we are so far behind still playing catch up. So next season shall we give the players a break & tell em to report back on the opening day of season? Don’t be ridiculous of course it had an impact BUT we did spend but we bought players, not time not points not extra games. Confidence & belief WAS missing at season start, is it there now? I think so! Where is the winning mentality.. This isn’t about winning the games, this is actually about thinking believing wanting & desiring the win .. sometimes it just doesn’t happen. But this too I believe is there now. Some fans fork out to away games as well as home games or just go to away games, they have the longest of trips, sing their hearts out & do us really proud ( have heard them) they then of course have the horrid deflated journey back after the draws.( or dreaded defeats ) Some often then post their views on game. I personally like these ( not something I could even begin to do) So thanks for these. When these posts then get hijacked with more whinging & often slating of the views of attendees .. how arrogant! How rude . how pathetic!! When in the middle of the good run of form we had all be it briefly, they bleated on about fact we conceded a rubbish ( easy goal) this is before the highlights before analysis & based on what? NOTHING it’s just that they WANT to whinge we have all even seen the moaning start 7 mins into a game on here . I do NOT object to people who criticise the team when they play crap! I don’t mind people differing opinion to anything to be honest. The problem I have ( and others clearly) is when certain posters jump on the team/the manager/the travelling fans opinions/ but don’t back it up when things DO go right! Or worse still they lambast everything as a NEW team we are starting to achieve & haven’t ever actually seen them!! & then when you point this out they use the oh so we can’t have an opinion if we do go ( oh pleaseeeeeeeeeee grow up) of course you can but do you really need & want to nag nag nag nag nag & the real sadness is you don’t ever seem happy when we have a great win!! Flame away .. but that’s how I feel!

QUOTE=alpine_saint;643338]So, you havent been this season, have you ? Also, you seem to think due to low attendance I have no right to express my opinion of the team and management, but its OK despite your zero attendance, to knock my opinion. >> It's NOT your opinion people are knocking tho is it? many others have similar views but don’t get the replies you do? why is that? is it because your CONSTANTLY negative no matter what? is it because you APPEAR to thrive on the bad days we have ? Is it because you make MANY assumptions about posters opinions just coz they dont breath & live negativity? BY the way .. as to the not going to games comment .. it's fair point really how can you slate a team, it's performance claim we should walk it & call the opposition we play a shower of shi** if you haven’t actually seen them? Your thoughts and opinions take no account of experience of the level we are currently at & the league & the away pitches.. WHY? oh yes because we cost more? WTF that’s the crapiest argument EVER if that was the case & that was how football worked .. The FA Cup would of died in 1923 & the premier league wouldn't of taken off , and in the TV football black out of the 80s football would of died. I came to conclussion your NEVER wrong! that you LOVE trying to frustrate & irritate other posters of forum .

Thanks for the reports guys & the support yesterday was great well done

about 4 posts back you contradicted your own reply here! & now your doing the same only in reverse .. so if people dont agree with you .. you stamp your feet & claim NO ambition no expectation etc. Why dont they have ambition? because they dont agree with you? ( as you keep saying ,,) DO grown up. I have nothing against people who don't go to games having a view .. but when they constantly slate people opinions who are going to many games it's ignorant. I have said before, you have some views & points that are very valid, there are people who agree with you often, what detracts from this is unlike most others you never enjoy the good days . You can still be found whinging .. can't you find a grumpy bugger forum to post on? lol