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Excellent point well made BTF.

Why should he not quote what Rupert and his cohorts told him?

What a bunch of two-faced shallow individuals. LC is OK all the while he is pumping his money into the club (even prior to being a major shareholder) - acting as an ambassador - saving projects ****ed up by others? His comments are of little consequence NOW - if there is a good case to appeal, then we will win. It's very likely we will not win, but it will have f*ck all to do with LC's comments. Truth is the horse bolted when Lowe didn't put us into admin in March. Everyone needs to wake-up and smell the League One coffee. By far the biggest issue facing this club is its financial survival between now and when a new buyer walks in.

Derry - many thanks for the report and I am glad somebody is taking a lead and trying to do something. There are some key questions that in my mind are not clear and I would like to see the answers put on a sticky at the top of this forum. I agree also that the key monetary figure needed to survive until take-over, is published properly and publicly as soon as possible. Here are the questions... 1. My understanding is that £1m has been pledged to help the cause. If this is so, why not just call in those pledges? They amount to four times the £250k being bandied about, so what's the problem? 2. Why are the players not being lobbied a lot harder to contribute? They have been partly responsible for the poor results this season and frankly can afford, on a pro-rata basis, to contribute. 3. How do we know where the donated money is going to? Is there a mechanism that can be set-up in conjunction with the administrator that ensures that ALL monies paid by fans go DIRECTLY to the running of the club and NOT someone's personal pocket or indeed the administrators themselves. If this was possible, I believe many more individuals would have some faith in helping out and contributing.

What a rubbish thread. What the hell is the guy supposed to say? He is not a shareholder, he is not a Director. He is just an influential and passionate fan who is doing his best to keep the club going. Get some perspective and give the guy a break FFS.

Completely agree - MODS please delete posts that use insulting and threatening language...it really drags this forum into the gutter.

Its not just about the players though. Its about the system they're being asked to play. It's not worked consistently from day one. OK, we've had a couple of good wins, but it's not enough against teams that change to suit the opposition...i.e. not good enough against teams that have strong management and coaching staffs. Look at the difference between JP and Wotte - same squad, but Wotte decided to put 2 up front and hey presto we start scoring and winning some games. It was the same last year when Pearson came in and turned a crap squad into an OK squad. Water under the bridge now, but if only Wotte had had the balls to change the midfield too when needed, we might not have suffered some of the awful loses this season.

Sorry, but I cannot agree with or condone some of the juvenile comments made on here. MW ploughed much money in to oust Lowe - he clearly believed that he could make a difference and for a short while he did. The first problem was that he lost control of the club to his employees the Execs. The second mistake he made was letting Lowe back (after Leon did his dirty work and got rid of the Execs) because he let his personal feelings get in the way of his business. He has paid the price and lost millions because of his failings. However, thanks to his mis-management and weakness the club has been brought to its knees. And for this he must go down as the most despised shareholder next to Lowe. I would not call him a fan or supporter - not now. Mike - you are no longer welcome at SMS - don't bother coming back. Lastly, lets also not forget the absolute shambles of a business that Lowe managed to engineer over his time at the club. He made so many mistakes, that in volume terms, Wildes pale by comparison. Lowe has most of the blood on his hands IMO.

I wish I had never found out about this forum (and its predecessor). Spent far too much of my life reading the nonsense and adding to it.

5-0 Saints. We are going to trounce them because sod's law says so. And you heard it here first. Thank you.

Magilton with Gorman would not be a bad management team in L1 to be fair.

Alps - that won't happen until we've got our new owner, won L1 and got promoted, won CCC and got back to the Prem. You might find some on here might concede to the one step back, two steps forward principle.

Get over yourself - pull together - brighter times on the way. We knew this would be tough - very tough, but it will be worth it in the end. SFC will live-on and go on to bigger and better things - we had to take a step back to take two forward. Now it the time when true Saints will stand together and sing the club back to the Prem.

Mate, I know you're hurting and it is Lowe's fault, but that's behind us now. There is every chance our new owner will be in the Directors area. Let's give them a reason to be proud of us - wear Red n White - be proud - we're not down and out yet - just bruised from a hard fight. The mighty Saints are here to stay and with the right leadership and great support, we will be fighting back. NO MORE NEGATIVITY - ONE VOICE - COME ON YOU SAINTS!

Glad I got an invite to a box on Saturday now...will be much closer to the real action in the Directors area to see who's who. Just hope it doesn't take too long to get some good news back into the club and something positive to support again.

....and Lowe and Wilde should never allow their shadows to darken Southampton again...I would fear for their safety. Absolute incompetence of the highest order and Lowe particularly doesn't deserve to work again.

I find the decision to be disgraceful in the extreme. If they documented the rules and we've not broken the rules then there was no reason to deduct points. I am so glad Fry has decided to appeal - it's a terrible decision by the league and the timing is worse. The club will survive though - the support is too significant for it not to.

I dropped mine full of char some months ago. Since then there's been a lot of 'tea leafs' about the place. Does that mean anything?

Quote: Originally Posted by Wade Garrett A piece from todays Echo 'Ex-councillor Perry McMillan, from SISA, addressed Labour councillors to call on their support. "We are now in the position where unless the football club is taken over by a supporters trust there won't be a football club," he said. "This is the time when the word coalition has got to be used. All political differences have to be set aside." So there you have it. Weston Saint, he is not talking about an alternative or back-up plan in case anything goes wrong. He sees this as the only option. I think a club run by a supporters trust is a recipe for disaster, but it's better than no club at all. I still think someone will buy us. As Jonah says 'the waters are being muddied'. Agreed. Someone is trying to hijack the proceedings already it seems. What a shower...picking over the bones of the carcus before the heart has stopped beating. Incredible.

Excellent post Jonah...this sums up the situation nicely and supports the comments I made earlier about priorities. Further, Derry has made it clear that the intention is NOT to get involved in the bidding process. If these issues can be clarified and communicated effectively, I suspect there will be more support for the effort. If there is a sniff of ego boosting or power trip hunting from the usual suspects (e.g. NI) then forget it.

Anyone moaning about the name just doesn't get it. The valid objection surely is that these groups are getting their focus ENTIRELY wrong at this point in time. IF they were truly engaged in trying to save the club rather than trying to set themselves up for a power trip, they would stop worrying about consitutions and similar nonsense and do something practical and worthwhile in a financial sense to keep the club afloat until the end of the season when the clubs fate will be known and hopefully a buyer makes a play. Lobby the Administrator to keep the process moving and healthy perhaps. This is what supporters groups should do. IF the club is NOT sold THEN expand the group to attempt to save it. In the meantime, let the process of selling the club be conducted by the people best placed to do just that.

As I have said already, the sentiments are fine but why are all these people not doing something PRACTICAL NOW! There must be a huge number of initiatives that could raise money to fund us until a buyer is found. But no, these people insist on having a meeting to discuss a power trip. So they're effectively preparing their stall waiting for the worst case scenario to happen....i.e. pick-up the club on the ultra cheap to enable certain individuals their dream of owning the club. Wrong focus for these organisations IMO and many will see it that way too I believe.

The way I see it, the focus of this lot is still entirely wrong. It's more likely to have a detrimental effect muddying the waters for the Administrator. And I do feel its more about certain individuals wanting to find an easy ride into some position of influence. I applaude the groups wanting to re-uniting under one banner (although calling it the Trust is a mistake), BUT to focus on buying the club is laughable - a joke. Put ALL your efforts into rallying the troops to buy tickets for the match Saturday and for Forest. Organise fund raising events - loads of ideas to go at - to save the club. Or is that too much like hard work? For crying out loud, leave the business end to the real businessmen with the money to sort out the club properly - you're not doing the club or yourselfs any favours IMO.

MW was not expecting the half-time team talk to end with a smack in the mouth... OR, MW wiped McGoldricks 'appreciation' for a place on the team away from his lips...

Best not playing - groin surgery. But they've got some decent strikers that I wouldn't mind seeing in a Saints shirt. Err, just seen that Leon McK is out injured, so its gonna be Morrison and Eastwood then - Eastwood has not impressed this season. Striker: 9.Leon Best 10.Freddy Eastwood 14.Leon Mckenzie 19.Clinton Morrison 24.Robbie Simpson