Saint Fan CaM

So where was Garner working before he came to Saints? I remember reading that these analysts tend to move around a bit between clubs and have their own ‘community’. Did he have a stint at Boro by any chance? 🤔😏

The panel members had been appointed before Parson’s stupidity = kangaroo court. Everything else I’ve pointed out is fact. Why do you insist Steve Gibson is some fucking angel with nothing to answer for? Why be his apologist? Why do you find a debate on a football forum alarming? We’re all waiting here and concerned… 😂

What are odds on FIFA ensuring it’s not an England vs Scotland final?! 😉🤭

Do you know what you’re probably right. Gibbo had already done enough to set-up his people on the EFL board and kangaroo court AND ensured that he’d gained the popular support of the media by releasing everything he had and demanding the punishment that he deemed fit. Parsons just sealed the casket shut for him.

Trouble is Havertz is operating alone - a number of occasions he’s won a good knock-down and no-ones there to pick up the 2nd ball. As the game gets stretched it suits PSG who are looking more likely to score the winner.

I’ve not seen any evidence that demonstrates that beaten teams always get an automatic bye into a final. Not only that but it might be argued that the semi’s were not a straight ahead knockout competition. Saints won in the second leg which was not influenced by the alleged ‘spying’, so how was that not disproportionate? As has been repeated many times, you have to view the punishment awarded in the context of how it’s was decided - by a Boro/media influenced panel with 2/3 panel members holding a biased vote. I’m astounded more has not been made of how and why these two panel members were not disqualified from the panel. As has been said, even if they claim they were not biased, they were by implication and in law that’s enough.

You may be right, however not only was that differentiating punishment not clearly stated alongside the rule in the first case, but the EFL have not actually provided Saints or indeed the general public with that rationale to validate your claim. In other words, Gibson and Boro decided on the punishment PRIOR to the kangaroo court panel hearing with a media shitstorm release and hey presto that’s exactly what the bent EFL panel decided to deliver. AND not only were Saints kicked out of the competition but hey presto again, Boro for some weird rationale were given a bye into the final. Why? There was little justification for rewarding Boro and not the rest of the league if the process was truly independent and not biased. That outcome was not stated prior to any transgression either. The EFL including its Boro Chairman and it’s Boro biased panel members have a lot to answer for.

I don’t think the FA have the time or money to take these clubs to the cleaners, despite the undoubted need. What I’m hoping is that if the FA go “two-footed” into Saints we are readying the very best legal representation to go nuclear on both the FA and particularly the EFL/Boro. We’ve taken a huge disproportionate punishment already - any further sanctions could have irreparable consequences for the club. I find it hard to fathom how any true Saints fan can honestly be in favour of this.

To be fair to Saintant, it’s not the same. He’s stating that the alleged spying was an insignificant thing - you’re stating that the outcome of a bent EFL investigative panel was significant. The two are not mutually exclusive (i.e. both things can be and are, in fact, true).

Wouldn’t it be interesting to find out that Taylor instigated the spying initially and then used his intel when operating for Boro? Probably not true, but stranger things as they say…

Yeah, I understand hindsight is wonderful thing FF and perhaps there’s litigation potential holding back any further comment. PP just needed to say “I know nothing, but I will personally get to the bottom of the matter”. The issue is not about now though - it’s about the future and whether a CEO with so little ability to make himself aware is the right guy going forwards. If Dragan thinks he is then fair enough…he’s ultimately the guy that will literally pay for his mistakes.

How’s the mood on the Boro fans sites? Gone a bit quiet or are they just wallowing in their own self-pity?

And still you ignore that I did mention TE as a matter of fact and in reply to FF’s post. 🙄

Are you sure? Because there’s more evidence suggesting there was than not IMO. We did what we did sure, but the manner in which it was identified/reported/judged/penalised was highly, highly suspicious. I can’t for the life of me understand how anyone cannot see that - even neutrals find it strange. But hey, it’s a free World and I respect your right to disagree.

As usual you don’t have the intelligence to read carefully my point. A bit kneejerk - like Parsons.