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I've heard the stories of planes being thrown off the back of carriers. I suppose at the time no-one realised that 70 years later we'd still being dining out on the story of ww2. No-one thought that old spitfires and sea furies and the like would be of any interest for future generations. It reminds me of the story of Peter Cook trying to buy the tapes of 'Not only buy also' from the beeb during the 70's once he knew they were going wipe them. He could see that there would be a massive market in nostalgia in years to come, but the beeb didn't want to know and wiped the bloody lot. Criminal, absolutely criminal....

Not sure we'll be seeing that anytime soon from Burmese Spits. 67 years of monsoon climate won't have done the airframes any good unless the crates have remained watertight. Can't see that sadly, but some of the engine blocks might have survived...

Oops. Too late... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-two/9228910/Its-Spitfires-at-dawn-in-Burma.html

It's got 'Time Team two hour special' written all over it. Just hope it doesn't descend into an unseemly bunfight between rival recovery groups

Yes that's right, over 1200 pages because you're all soooo outraged about the plight of local Portsmouth people and the rest. Buuuuull****. You don't give a flying **** about local Pompey people. This thread is ENTIRELY about jealousy and bitterness towards your biggest rivals. ENTIRELY. If you really believe that load of cock above, you should be worried- you're losing your grip on reality....

We apologise for the fault in the CVA. Those responsible have been sacked. ......... We apologise again for the fault in the CVA. Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked, have been sacked. ......... The directors of the firm hired to continue the CVA after the other people had been sacked, wish it to be known that they have just been sacked. The CVA will be completed in an entirely different style at great expense and at the last minute.....

Indeed, just like the derby game at SMS where FOUR of yours were arrested to ONE of ours. 4-1. Again.

No. I did not use the phrase 'free transfer' From the original post: If his contract is cancelled by mutual consent, rather than the player being given a free transfer, the player walks away with nothing. The player then becomes a free agent. The key phrase is 'mutual consent' i.e. he agrees to go. To be fair, he might agree to go if he's paid a percentange of the outstanding amount on his contract, sometimes described as a 'loyalty bonus', but usually a player leaving by 'mutual consent' is walking away with nothing...

Er, no actually: So Phil, wrong once again. This is basic stuff FFS. And I'M the one that's supposed to be thick?

Well, for a start what about the charming reception our buses got on their way out of your place after the derby game? The '80 year old toothless granny spitting vile abuse' and the dog walker 'sliding to a halt (in one his own dogs turds by the sound of it ) to stick two fingers up a the passing Pompey fans'? Not very Mensa is it? You're just as bad as us.

Where do you get a price tag of £2m? He will sign for another club as a free agent once his contract is cancelled. Believe me, we'll be well happy to see him go on a free....

So then: "More 'lies' about Pompey's support. This time from Derby and Doncaster. Funny how these 'lies' just keep coming don't they?" is met with the response: "Enjoy Yeovil you cu nt." Well ok, call me Mr Picky, but that response doesn't seem to tie in terribly well with the idea that: 'To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction'. Still, it's a start. Now, especially for 'view from the top', here's a few tips: next time you feel the need to respond to a post on here, try to think of something that adds to the debate, and if you need to make a counterpoint, try to formulate your argument into a series of words (it's called a sentence) that really describe your point well! Then, if you really, really can't resist, simply add "you cu nt" at the end. Unfortunately, you'll lose a fair amount of impact with that last bit, but keep plugging away, you'll get the hang of it in no time at all!

Mmmm, classy...

More 'lies' about Pompey's support. This time from Derby and Doncaster. Funny how these 'lies' just keep coming don't they? http://www.portsmouthfc.co.uk/LatestNews/news/Derby-Praise-Pompey-Fans-3376.aspx

If they hadn't tried to go to port on sighting the iceberg, the ship would almost certainly survived. Even at 21 knots a head on collision would have taken out maybe 20-30 feet of the bow, but she would have survived the impact. Going to port sent her down. Easy to say with hindsight I suppose.....

That's her job. Anything that affects her constituents is her business. Makes no difference whether it's a private company or not...

Must admit I'd give my eye teeth to be there when they lift them out of the ground and open the crates up And yes the Merlin has the sweeter sounding engine, but the Griffon has much more Supercharger 'whine' and grunt. Go compare: Merlin: Griffon: Both pretty awesome...

Ah yes, stunning piece of kit. And without the Mossie we'd never have had Araldite. It was invented to glue the thing together....

Dunno- does this help at all? http://www.fansonline.net/blackpool/mb/view.php?id=1085499

A bit more info- they are Mk XIV's so have 2000 h.p. Griffon engines rather than Merlins. They're 30-40 feet down and there are apparently further pockets of buried spits across Burma in groups of 6, 18 and 36. Digging starts in 3-4 weeks. Suspect Baldrick is on his way already.... "Extraordinary plans to raise a lost squadron of Spitfires that has lain buried in Myanmar since the end of the Second World War were revealed this weekend as British Prime Minister David Cameron visited the capital, Yangon. Now, the Lincolnshire farmer who devoted 15 years of his life to finding the planes has spoken about his quest to recover them and get them airborne. David Cundall, 62, of Sandtoft, near S****horpe, has spent more than $200,000, visited Myanmar 12 times, persuaded the country's secretive regime to trust him, and all the time sought testimony from a dwindling band of Far East veterans to locate the Spitfires. His treasure hunt was sparked by little more than a throwaway remark from a group of U.S. veterans made 15 years ago to his friend and fellow aviation archeologist, Jim Pearce. "They told Jim: 'We've done some pretty silly things in our time, but the silliest was burying Spitfires,' " Cundall said. "And when Jim got back from the U.S., he told me." Cundall realized the Spitfires would have been buried as they had been shipped, still in their crates. Before they were shipped to the Far East, they would have been waxed, wrapped in greased paper and their joints tarred, to protect them against the elements. There seemed to be a chance that somewhere in Myanmar, there lay Spitfires that could be restored to flying condition. The first step was to place advertisements in magazines, trying to find soldiers who buried Spitfires. "The trouble was that many of them were dying of old age," Cundall said. He visited Myanmar over and over, slowly building friendly relations with its military junta. "In the end, they (Myanma minders) trusted me so much they would let me hold their AK-47s while they ate the lunch I had bought them." Finally, he found the Spitfires, at a location that is being kept a secret. "We sent a borehole down and used a camera to look at the crates," Cundall said. "They seemed to be in good condition." In August 1945, the Mark XIV airplanes, which used Rolls-Royce Griffon engines instead of the Merlins of earlier models, were put in crates and transported from the factory in Castle Bromwich, in the West Midlands, to Myanmar. Once they arrived, however, the Spitfires were deemed surplus to requirements. The war was in its final months and fighting was increasingly confined to "islandhopping" to clear the Japanese of their remaining strongholds in the Pacific. Land-based Spitfires, as opposed to a carrierbased variant, Seafires, did not have the required range. The order was given to bury 12 Spitfires without even unpacking them. It is possible that a further eight Spitfires were then buried in December 1945, bringing the potential total to 20. "In 1945, Spitfires were 10 a penny," Cundall said. "Jets were coming into service. Spitfires were struck off charge, unwanted. Lots of Spitfires were just pushed off the back of aircraft carriers into the sea. On land, you couldn't leave them for the locals - they might have ended up being used against you." To meet the $800,000 cost of the excavation, Cundall enlisted the help of Steve Boultbee Brooks, a 51-year-old commercial property investor who runs the Boultbee Flight Academy in Chichester, West Sussex, which teaches people to fly in a two-seater Spitfire that Brooks bought for close to $3 million in 2009. Ground radar images showed that inside the crates were Spitfires with their wings packed alongside the fuselages. The Britons want to work to restore as many of the 20 Spitfires as possible and get them flying. There are only about 35 flying in the world. "Spitfires are beautiful airplanes and should not be rotting away in a foreign land," Cundall said. The final obstacle to recovering the Spitfires, however, is political: international sanctions forbid the movement of military materials in and out of Myanmar, and it was also feared the Myanmar government would not allow any foreign excavations. However, because of the new, reforming stance of the Myanmar government, the sanctions on movement of military material will be lifted on April 23. With the help of Cameron and his visit to Myanmar, a deal is being negotiated and hopes are high that it will conclude with Thein Sein, the president of Myanmar, granting permission for the dig. "Our hope is that we can be digging them out in the next three or four weeks," said Brooks, who returned to his home Saturday after helping open negotiations. "They have been in the ground for more than 65 years, so it is not a case of taking them out of the crates, putting them together and flying them. There is a lot of work to do. We may have to use parts of many planes to make perhaps a couple airworthy. "But if the crates didn't get waterlogged, the Spitfires might be in pretty amazing condition. It's also encouraging that they put teak beams over the crates so they wouldn't be crushed by the earth when they were buried." Cundall raised the tantalizing prospect that there may be more buried Spitfires. "It's possible there are other Spitfires buried around different sites in Myanmar. I have heard about 36 in one burial; 18 in another; six in another. And when they were buried, they would have been brand new, never taken out of the box."

Go for it.....

Told you...

They have, and we've had 10 points deducted for going into administration, so as Birch has confirmed, no more points deductions...

Right. CVA1 is dead. Confirmed in writing by BT (just accept it Trousers). The 8m figure the Trust is looking for appears to form payments towards CVA2 + short term running costs, close season expenses etc, until additonal funds start to come in from season ticket sales, on the day gate receipts at the start of next season + the remaining parachute payments. CVA2 could form about 20% of the current outstanding amount: £16M CVA1 £17M Chanrai £10.1M CSI / Andriod £4M HMRC + A.N.Other =£47.1M, 20% of which is £9.42M. So, if £9.42M is spread over five years, regular payments could be structured as something like £1.884M per annum. With £16M in parachute money still to come in, which we WILL get, and several player contracts ending in June to reduce the wage bill further, we could be running at break even from day one. Now, here's where the Trust have been clever- they deliberately have said that the £8M does not have to all come from individual shares, which leaves the door open for those with funds to buy larger contributions than the average man in the street, Brian Howe for example stumping up a chunk for a larger piece of the pie. You could even have a situation where Chainrai votes in favour of CVA2 on the basis that he could buy say 50% of the new structure for just under £5M. That way he still gets £3.4M from CVA2 + half the club- not ideal as he wants out, but better than land he can't sell if PFC is liquidated. AA, on behalf of CSI also votes in favour as 20% is better than nothing if PFC is liquidated. TB on behalf of CVA1 votes in favour for the same reason, all of which is enough to get it through. All of this assumes a figure of 20% for CVA2. It could be 10% or less. The scheme gives the fans a chance to own the club outright if we can raise the money, and admittedly, it's a big ask. But add in the ability to buy bigger shares if wanted, it could well work. Of course a consortium could come in and buy the whole club, but as no-one has actually put pen to paper, the Trust's scheme is a failsafe that should ensure the clubs survival one way or another....

Scummer in 'sane post' shock! From TUI: "A couple of points, not directed particularly at the kraken he was just the last post. Firstly our income this season wont have increased hugely, the difference between league one and the Championship is minimal, literally the tv money plus gate money (4k average increase @ £17 per ticket average = £1.56 million) probably all off set against increased wage bill. The key point is that our wages equate to 93% of our income, think how much we have been slaughtering Pompey for having such a high wage bill and how that is the road to disaster, Personally I dont think there is much to worry about, but the inference is clear, the Libeherr family are in this for money, whether markus loved the club is now sadly not an issue, but converting loans to shares, although just shifting paper, shows that they are tightening down the small print on the contract. The reality is that we have and are making a loss, the only differnce between us and Pompey is that our owners havent been arrested and had their assets frozen and therefore cant pay the bills. All I am saying is we have spent the last six months berating Pompey supporters for allowing owners to come in and spend money that the club doesnt have and how they havent learnt their lessons, yet we are in exactly the same boat. As I say i dont think the liebherrs are of the same ilk as Pompeys owners, but that doesnt change the points about overspending, two years after admin and the accounts show that we have got into worse expenditure against income than that we had before." Cheats AND hypocrites. And you wonder why we don't 'get it'?