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Wilde is like the devil. His greatest trick was making people believe he doesn't exist! Seriously though Wilde will not post on here. Just look at each thread name. "Lowe and Wilde are ****s" is the gist of it. If he cared about the club (which he doesnt) then he would not have returned with no money, no buisness plan, no direction etc.. he would not have returned with the idea of selling/loaning off anything with value, he would not have returned to get rid of a manager that had earnt the respect of the community in just 13 games and so on. He came back for two things and that was revenge and money. He is a buisness man 1st, supporter never. He would be crucified if he wrote on here now. I remember his last message basically saying things will change for the better.....Wilde is a nobhead.

The reason he changed his mind is because the bullies he brought in had now left. They told dear old Mr Wilde that the club was heading for financial meltdown unless he could bring in some investment. After he cried and left the only way he was going to get back into the club was siding with Lowe. It is the same for Lowe, he could never return unless Wilde joined forces. The thing is you wont get him commenting on what has happened because he is too busy trying to salvage his own company as it crumbles around him. Plus he what would he say exactly? That were going to be in the mix for promotion this year like he did in the summer?

Obviously this will be our hardest game yet this season. If the Wolves who are at the top of the league turn up and the Saints who played Bristol turn up it will be a massacre. I want to say were win i really do. But it reminds me of games before where i have been really confident we could get something out of a game and we end up lose badly. We will see if this team is like Saints teams of previous years that can stand up to the better teams and get something. I really hope we are. I want to say a 2-1 Saints win but that would be my heart rulling my head. I think it will be a Wolves 0-3 win.

I have not really read this site for a bit as it does seem to have turned into an anti-Lowe pro-Lowe board and not really anything to do about football nor our club. However i can understand where Longshot is coming from with his opinion. I would never want this club to lose a game. Especially ones i have paid to see. My great grandad played for Southampton (Adam Parsons) before the war broke out, of which he would not return. I think he would be ashamed of me if i wanted them to fail. I often think about what the old players might think about the club now and where it is at and where it is going. I wonder what Ted Bates would be thinking? All his hard work of taking us from the southern leagues to the top being undone in a matter of a few seasons. Right now we are a diseased club, we are a club that is in turmoil both on and off the pitch. It is hard to look at the picture and come away with any real positives. Any real scope of how things are. We have become a club of tit for tat. Any other buisness would of seen it's chairman fall on his/her sword by now. But our buisness is different. We have a bunch of people who don't own the club calling the shots and acting as if they do. They don't have the club at heart because anyone who did could not put it through what it has been through. Their motivated by greed and money. They most likely are holding out for some rich billionaire to come in and buy their shares rather then do the decent thing and leave. The Sisu bid to me is a prime example of it. I wonder if they offered us £20m now would Lowe and Wilde sell up? Of course they would. So i am pretty certain they are just hanging around for that last pay day. The clear pattern we have since Lowe and Wilde returned is further instability, more in-fighting and the end seems even further away. So i understand why Longshot thinks losing is better is because it speeds up the process of removing the people who are actually to blame for our situation. And to me that is the thing that has not happened yet, the people who failed have not been accounted for and are failing even more now un-opposed. I do not want the club to lose any games. But if we lost to Wolves and it removed those who have put our club back almost 50 years then i would take it. That doesnt make me a bad fan, doesnt make me not a supporter. It means i want the suffering to end, i want those dark clouds and vultures that have circled us for too long to disapear. What is 1 more loss amongst 10 others? We will lose and this board will be even more depressed then ever.

Nice job but these prices need to be made permanent for all games.

Bull****. He is not the owner of the club. He is a shareholder the same as me. The difference being he bought his shares for a lot less then i did and has a lot more of them. He is a representive of the people who owns shares in the company. If anyone else ran a company like the way he has they would either resign or be sacked. The only reason he has not been sacked is because he and Wilde are now friends. Which means he knows he can't be removed. That doesnt mean what he is doing is right. This club was around before Lowe and will be around after Lowe. If we continue on Lowes path then that will be a lot sooner then you think because we will go bankrupt due to relegation.

Think your 100% right Steve. People have to understand the bank is not our friend, it is not Lowe's friend. They are a buisness which is designed purely around making tons and tons of money. They are not in this proffession to lose cash. Especially in the climate we find ourselves in now. When Lowe returned he would of had a buisness plan. We don't know what that is but it was at least about making the debt smaller and cutting our expenditure my however much %. In that plan they would of predicted various factors to get to their lump sums i.e we expect average attendences of say 20k each week. The bank would see that as a steady income and green light the plans. However roll on 6 months and the landscape has changed. If we are not keeping in line with our agreement then the bank will become concerned. We know Lowe has increased borrowing, this much is true. The question then becomes what is the gap now between the income and the outcome. If it has increased to a bad point which i think it has for us to need to ship players out on loan then we are in trouble. If it is at that point then we will have no option but to sell in january to stay in line with our agreed forecast. The problem then becomes how much we need to raise from sales and if realisticly we can risk it. If for example we are doing bad now how bad would we do if we lost Davis and Surman? Then lost Lallana? Obviously we would be in a worse place. So i think as Steve say's January is the important time. If we see players being shipped out we will know the problem has got a lot worse. Meaning Lowe would have no choice but to resign in my view.

Time for a poll A, Yes B, No He Has Done Just As Good As Anyone Would In The Circumstances C, Not Unless We Have Someone With A Better Plan Coming In We had one of these polls just before the last game of last season and it was 50-50 on if he should return or not. Would be very interesting to see in number terms now what the general census is amongst this boards Saints Fans. My view is he has to go for one reason and one reason only. To re-unite the fans and kill of the Lowe shadow over our club once and for all. While it is there people will look to blame him at every chance they get. Some is deserving and some isn't. If we remove that we can all forget about him and get on with supporting the club 100% which is what we should do. With him here it makes it near impossible as the fans get more and more angry. So my opinion = Time To Go P.s i dont know how to set up the poll so maybe a mod could do it

The critical flaw to this is that Lowe is a man who will defend himself if others bad mouth him. The fact Bassett has not been handed a writ for Libel/Defamation of character from Lowe nor have TalkSport (BBC) received anything would make it true. Lowe has taken many people to court over remarks about him, with this being the biggest damnation one of all you would expect him to keep to his trend. Thus meaning your defence of Lowe has no legs to stand on.

As much as i want to believe were win those 2 games my mind says "get real". Wolves and Reading are scoring for fun, they play attacking football the way it is meant to be played. If you go into a game looking for a point against them your get massacred. If Jan sets it up so we have only 1 up front we will get mashed. So i dont expect us to win at all but i do expect we try. If we lay down and die then all hell is going to break loose.

Exactly. He was not loaned out because of his wages he was loaned out because he was not in JP's 1st team plans so made no sense to keep paying him if he wont be played. Of course that could all be one giant bull**** where Lowe said dont play him so he could offload him...

apparently Gears 2 sold 2.5m copies in it's 1st day....projected to sell 3.5m in it's 1st week (friday to friday). If that turns out to be true then that should in theory beat the Halo 3 sales. Safe to say that is pretty monster sales.

The whole picking on the fans or saying the support has been bad is just a joke to be honest. The fans have done all they can do. If you look at other teams your see the crowds have turned on the team and already demanded change i.e Watford. We have gone through 2 seasons of hell and we still have the fans out there paying to watch garbage but yet still cheer them on as best as they can. The fans are the ones who suffer and are deserving of better, not the other way round.

Funny as im sure i saw most of them playing for the youth team last year.... And those who we brought in were not even playing for their main teams. We have a few good players who could go on to be very good players. But we have more very poor players who could go on to be poor players. That is the reality of it.

Indeed very true. But we have a really tough run in now. No game in this league is easy (except Doncaster) but we have played a lot of teams around us and had a mix bag of results. If it is true that Lowe is making him play a certain way then he should just come out and say so. I think the fans would have so much more respect for him if he was just honest about it, didn't look for excuses and in general just didn't try to think were stupid. Of course he won't do that because this is his golden chance and doing that = sacked. It is hard not to feel sorry for Jan but he doesn't make it any easier on himself. He has basically said the same thing for like 17 games now. And we lost 9 of them with only 1 win at home.

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/3832610.Jan_looks_to_solve_Saints__home_jinx/ "The last half hour there is this passion and motivation and it is a different game. “I ask myself ‘why not from the start?’ “I don’t think it has to do with anything other than the head" Sorry but that sums up for me in a nutshell the guy in charge of our team. Someone who simply wont accept that a different tactic/formation could be the reason we played better in the last 30mins. Im becoming more and more worried everytime i read his comments

Billy Davies. He has done nothing for well over a year. However i don't think it matters if we sack Jan and bring in Fergie, Lowe will still require them to be a yes man.

People have to understand Jan is not used to competative football management. Hanging around the 4th-to 6th tier of holland is not quite the same as the CCC is it. He doesn't seem to understand tactics. We have some good players but they are not being used right. Lallana in my view is one of these players. Pearson seemed to get a lot of good out of him but since then he has sort of gone off the boil a bit. The whole point of a manager is to get the best out of the players he has at his disposal. So the question is he doing that? Personally i think no. His formations, team selections and positionings are totally baffling. He says the team can't play 4-4-2 etc.. we saw we were a far better side switching to 4-4-2 yesterday so that shows they can. So i don't think he is clueless but he is doing the wrong things, he is doing them on purpose because he has his own ideoligy on how the game should be played. You live and die by your choices and his are making him die.

Been to most the away games this season and i disagree very strongly. The fans are not to blame. The people who pay £28 to turn up at home in the cold in the shadow of a recession to watch what we dish up are the best people you could ever meet. This whole misconception of "supporting" the team is total ******** and you know it. I support the team the best i can and that is being there to cheer them on. It is not cheep, it is very expensive. But if i pay that money and im cheering them on and the team look like a bunch of dodos and look like they couldn't give a **** then they dont deserve the support. In the games i've seen we play awful football and the fans try hard to get behind the team. After 8 defeats the people are still there trying to will them on. Even when we go 0-1 down you can hear the support for the team and you can feel the hunger of the crowd wanting them to do well. But if you have nothing to show for that game after game then the team needs to start helping itself. This is not a charity, this money goes to fill peoples pockets. The fans are supporting the players. But the players have to produce. That is the nature of it. If your under the cosh for 90mins and you lose more games then you win, to blame the fans is pretty pathetic really. Make the matches free then blame them. The last 30mins yesterday was as loud as i can remember, but the players didn't meet that level of support. That is the story of our club at the moment.

While i agree it is wierd we seem to lose games on sky i dont read much into it seeing as we have lost 50% of our 16 games.

Well they could cut the price of the tickets and fill in the gaps. I would say about 60% of the stadium at least is empty. The fans who are still going each week are getting smaller and smaller. The reason for that is simply cost. If it were free it would be full. Obviously that wont happen. But in my eyes the fans who are not going are not costing the club, it is the people who insist having a 60% empty stadium for £28 a ticket = money. I would lower tickets to about £10-£20. The club would make money. It does not save us money having nobody in those seats. It doesnt save on energy or anything like that.

The problem is in those games we won we actually had massive amounts of luck especially at Doncaster and Preston. The Sheff Utd game was a all out defence job, we were on the back foot the whole game really. The Derby game was a bit of a mix bag. I think if we played them now we would lose as at the time they had not won in like a year, it was the best time to play them. I agree 100% with LadySaint though that it is hard not to feel bad for the kids out there. Majority of them this is their 1st games they have played competativly. They are learning every game they play but they could be learning so much more if the management helped them. They are like lambs to the slaughter.

Exactly. I think this is what people have to understand and accept it. This club is in the worst state it has ever been. Going down the kids route at this time was the worst thing we could of done. We needed to keep 1 or 2 of the players we let go get the manager to make better judgements on those coming in. We have signed poor players and that is what is hurting us. Add to that a manager who doesn't seem to actually speak football sense. It is not difficult to understand why we are where we are in my view.

Personally i felt we were better when Wotten went off and Surman started to ping it around a bit. I agree with what your saying about experience as that is vital. But in Wotten's case he is a division 1-2 player not a CCC player. He has not played much at this level. This is the reason Plymouth released him. Now im not against the guy, he tries and that is more then what some do. But i have to be honest he is a poor player in midfield and an even poorer defender. He has no pace and thus they just kick it over him. His 1st touch at times is criminal and his pass is up there with the least acurate i have seen. So in terms of teaching players he in my view is teaching them wrong. He is out of position so often and ball watches it drives me mad. But the one thing which ****es me off more then anything is that everytime we try and play the offside trap he just stops and puts his hand up. In the past that has cost us a lot. Lesson number 1 to defenders is play to the whistle! In midfield you need the ability to pass especially a central midfielder. You need to be able to switch the play from left to right and vice versa to open up the defence to create chances. To me it seems everytime he gets the ball he passes it straight back to our opponents. I am being too critical of the guy and i don't mean to but if you don't have a midfielder able to do those things you struggle and that is what were doing. I would much rather have Euell there or even Gobern. Wotten can offer something to this club but his experience is of division 1 and i pray to god we don't go that way.

Again i think these numbers are wrong. The stadium is very very empty and i would say a lot further down then that. I wonder if they are including all season ticket holders in that number regardless if they are there or not? Either way they have to reduce the ticket prices now or were have about 10k there in a few weeks.